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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Sept 6, 2021 4:02:21 GMT -5
Probably Millie, but I do like silverstream as well. I liked millie a lot in her novella and in the main arcs.
I'm more neutral when it comes to graystripe, but he's growing on me.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 6, 2021 10:05:45 GMT -5
Next one up!
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Post by Aqua on Sept 6, 2021 10:12:31 GMT -5
Wish I could pick neither cause I don't care for either of them, but, Bramblestar is more tolerable I suppose.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Sept 6, 2021 10:18:22 GMT -5
I like squirrelflight a little more, though I'm afraid she might be ruined too if they make her leader. I think i'd like bramblestar a lot more if they didn't drain him of his likable personality from PoT. And it's not just bramblestar, mistystar and onestar I feel also got this treatment after they became leaders.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 6, 2021 10:19:22 GMT -5
Bramblestar is more likable for me personally.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 6, 2021 10:33:20 GMT -5
Squirrelflight, i've always liked her character a lot more, i like how compassionate, selfless, caring and loving she is, she's also not afraid of saying what she thinks or standing her ground, and i like how flawed her personality is. Meanwhile Bramblestar's character has worsened over time. In TNP he was bossy, naive, and controlling. While in the later arcs he was fine, his behaviour in SQH made me despise him, the way he treated his mate was horrible, and just like many people say, he's been drained of his likeable qualities. And as a leader... he's boring and lacks a spine. I don't like him, and i prefer his mate. She deserves someone better.
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Sept 6, 2021 11:16:01 GMT -5
Squirrelflight. I feel like Bramblestar isn't a good character anymore.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 6, 2021 11:18:04 GMT -5
I adore those two equally but will go with Bramblestar because he will need the support for this poll.
(Squirrelflight is usually more popular than him around here for various reasons anyways.)
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Post by Rainfire on Sept 6, 2021 11:19:08 GMT -5
Definitely my girl Squirrelflight. I love her so much <3 (i like Bramble too though)
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Post by Chicken on Sept 6, 2021 11:59:40 GMT -5
I don't really care much for either of them, but Bramblestar has never annoyed me as much as Squirrelflight, so I'm going to go with Bramblestar.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 6, 2021 13:39:28 GMT -5
Oh boy, we all know how this is going to end. Anyways, choosing Bramblestar. Squirrelflight is a brat that never grew up, and throws a tantrum when she doesn't get her way. She uses her status to her advantage, thinks she can get away with acting out, lies to her own mate constantly, undermines him, and goes behind his back. Not to mention she's a terrible acting leader, the list goes on. Bramblestar deserves better than her at this point, imo he shouldn't have given her a second chance, she's just not worth it. She didn't even deserve deputy, her behavior makes his choice super ironic at this point lol. Bramblestar is at least level headed, puts his clan first above all else, and is a good mate and father. But the fandom will always paint him as some sort of monster just to make Squirrelflight look innocent~
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 6, 2021 14:04:46 GMT -5
Oh boy, we all know how this is going to end. Anyways, choosing Bramblestar. Squirrelflight is a brat that never grew up, and throws a tantrum when she doesn't get her way. She uses her status to her advantage, thinks she can get away with acting out, lies to her own mate constantly, undermines him, and goes behind his back. Not to mention she's a terrible acting leader, the list goes on. Bramblestar deserves better than her at this point, imo he shouldn't have given her a second chance, she's just not worth it. She didn't even deserve deputy, her behavior makes his choice super ironic at this point lol. Bramblestar is at least level headed, puts his clan first above all else, and is a good mate and father. But the fandom will always paint him as some sort of monster just to make Squirrelflight look innocent~ wish i could frame this post. i agree 100%. i wish more people would look back on how awful squirrelflight has always been since the beginning...the narrative will always trick them into thinking she's the next best thing since sliced bread
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Post by Rainsplash on Sept 6, 2021 19:18:27 GMT -5
Bramblestar is just boring. He's been boring in TNP, okay in PoT, an eye-roll in OotS, a hypocrite in AVoS, and please-just-die in TBC. Not to mention SqH when he was being so... Squirrelflight at least has noticeable personality traits
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Post by Fireleap on Sept 6, 2021 21:36:42 GMT -5
Bramblestar. I enjoyed him in PoT and OotS and never hated him like I do Squirrelflight.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Sept 7, 2021 5:02:36 GMT -5
It goes back and forth, but right now I'll vote Bramblestar to even out the poll.
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Post by Frostheart on Sept 7, 2021 10:04:23 GMT -5
Squirrelflight.
Bramblestar lost all his personality after becoming leader and snaps at Squirrelflight for the smallest things.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 7, 2021 11:54:18 GMT -5
Oh boy, we all know how this is going to end. Anyways, choosing Bramblestar. Squirrelflight is a brat that never grew up, and throws a tantrum when she doesn't get her way. She uses her status to her advantage, thinks she can get away with acting out, lies to her own mate constantly, undermines him, and goes behind his back. Not to mention she's a terrible acting leader, the list goes on. Bramblestar deserves better than her at this point, imo he shouldn't have given her a second chance, she's just not worth it. She didn't even deserve deputy, her behavior makes his choice super ironic at this point lol. Bramblestar is at least level headed, puts his clan first above all else, and is a good mate and father. But the fandom will always paint him as some sort of monster just to make Squirrelflight look innocent~ wish i could frame this post. i agree 100%. i wish more people would look back on how awful squirrelflight has always been since the beginning...the narrative will always trick them into thinking she's the next best thing since sliced bread Doubt they will. Some how it'll always be Bramble's fault, regardless of how horrendous Squirrel's behavior is. Either Bramble is an abusive monster that snaps at Squirrelflight for no reason, or he's some sleezebag with no personality that cheats on Squirrel with Jessy, lmao. Like I don't mind if people like Squirrel over Bramble, but if its for ridiculously made up reason that villainize Bramble, then it just makes me go ??
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 7, 2021 12:27:20 GMT -5
Oh boy, we all know how this is going to end. Anyways, choosing Bramblestar. Squirrelflight is a brat that never grew up, and throws a tantrum when she doesn't get her way. She uses her status to her advantage, thinks she can get away with acting out, lies to her own mate constantly, undermines him, and goes behind his back. Not to mention she's a terrible acting leader, the list goes on. Bramblestar deserves better than her at this point, imo he shouldn't have given her a second chance, she's just not worth it. She didn't even deserve deputy, her behavior makes his choice super ironic at this point lol. Bramblestar is at least level headed, puts his clan first above all else, and is a good mate and father. But the fandom will always paint him as some sort of monster just to make Squirrelflight look innocent~ wish i could frame this post. i agree 100%. i wish more people would look back on how awful squirrelflight has always been since the beginning...the narrative will always trick them into thinking she's the next best thing since sliced bread Just because Squirrelflight fans defend her, dosen't mean we are getting "tricked" by the narrative into beliving she's something great. We just happen to view the situation in a way that makes us understand her, then defend her, but we defentively aren't getting tricked by the narrative, it's just a matter of different opinions. In fact, just because we defend her, dosen't mean we worship her and ignore everything wrong she does.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 7, 2021 13:58:32 GMT -5
wish i could frame this post. i agree 100%. i wish more people would look back on how awful squirrelflight has always been since the beginning...the narrative will always trick them into thinking she's the next best thing since sliced bread Just because Squirrelflight fans defend her, dosen't mean we are getting "tricked" by the narrative into beliving she's something great. We just happen to view the situation in a way that makes us understand her, then defend her, but we defentively aren't getting tricked by the narrative, it's just a matter of different opinions. In fact, just because we defend her, dosen't mean we worship her and ignore everything wrong she does. there's definately a more mature side to the squirrelflight fandom that do acknowledge her flaws, and thats obviously not the part people like me have issues with. its the ones who quote moonkitti's heavily biased video, and the ones who put down bramble in order to prop squirrel up, etc. there's sides like this to every fandom and character's fandoms. i just find it weird that not many people are willing to bring up the meta side of things, how the writers write her a certain way despite her actions (from another perspective) would be seen as wrong. idk how else to explain what i mean, but i wasnt attacking specific people on here.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 7, 2021 17:34:37 GMT -5
Squirrelflight forever <3
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 7, 2021 20:06:38 GMT -5
Just because Squirrelflight fans defend her, dosen't mean we are getting "tricked" by the narrative into beliving she's something great. We just happen to view the situation in a way that makes us understand her, then defend her, but we defentively aren't getting tricked by the narrative, it's just a matter of different opinions. In fact, just because we defend her, dosen't mean we worship her and ignore everything wrong she does. there's definately a more mature side to the squirrelflight fandom that do acknowledge her flaws, and thats obviously not the part people like me have issues with. its the ones who quote moonkitti's heavily biased video, and the ones who put down bramble in order to prop squirrel up, etc. there's sides like this to every fandom and character's fandoms. i just find it weird that not many people are willing to bring up the meta side of things, how the writers write her a certain way despite her actions (from another perspective) would be seen as wrong. idk how else to explain what i mean, but i wasnt attacking specific people on here. Just a reminder that most of those kinds of fans are probably like...12-15. I wouldn't take what they say seriously. I think the people on this forum are usually pretty fair. Likely because we're older and can examine all sides of a character, where as preteens and teens are easily swayed and just go with whatever.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 7, 2021 20:22:07 GMT -5
there's definately a more mature side to the squirrelflight fandom that do acknowledge her flaws, and thats obviously not the part people like me have issues with. its the ones who quote moonkitti's heavily biased video, and the ones who put down bramble in order to prop squirrel up, etc. there's sides like this to every fandom and character's fandoms. i just find it weird that not many people are willing to bring up the meta side of things, how the writers write her a certain way despite her actions (from another perspective) would be seen as wrong. idk how else to explain what i mean, but i wasnt attacking specific people on here. Just a reminder that most of those kinds of fans are probably like...12-15. I wouldn't take what they say seriously. I think the people on this forum are usually pretty fair. Likely because we're older and can examine all sides of a character, where as preteens and teens are easily swayed and just go with whatever. Debatable imo. Even on the forums I've seen horrible takes, where people do just as Lady said, whether stating they used moonkitti as a source or not. People still make arguments accusing Bramble of being abusive or a cheater, rehashing the same moonkitti logic. When in canon its not true in the least.
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Post by kitters on Sept 7, 2021 21:59:08 GMT -5
Bramble sucks worse. I mean lbr they both suck but Bramble's controlling behavior set off too many alarm bells in my brain during SQH. It was that paired with Sparkpelt's words about/to her parents I guess it just reminded me so much of my own home life. and what he did to Sunrise was the last straw for me. bramble suck
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Sept 7, 2021 22:07:02 GMT -5
Squirrelflight, I don't like Bramblestar at all.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 8, 2021 3:25:52 GMT -5
Just a reminder that most of those kinds of fans are probably like...12-15. I wouldn't take what they say seriously. I think the people on this forum are usually pretty fair. Likely because we're older and can examine all sides of a character, where as preteens and teens are easily swayed and just go with whatever. Debatable imo. Even on the forums I've seen horrible takes, where people do just as Lady said, whether stating they used moonkitti as a source or not. People still make arguments accusing Bramble of being abusive or a cheater, rehashing the same moonkitti logic. When in canon its not true in the least. I mean, that's just people's opinions. Weather they see him as abusive or not, and it dosent make them horrible takes
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Post by kitters on Sept 8, 2021 4:05:57 GMT -5
Debatable imo. Even on the forums I've seen horrible takes, where people do just as Lady said, whether stating they used moonkitti as a source or not. People still make arguments accusing Bramble of being abusive or a cheater, rehashing the same moonkitti logic. When in canon its not true in the least. I mean, that's just people's opinions. Weather they see him as abusive or not, and it dosent make them horrible takes Yeah. For many people, they recognize signs in the books that remind them of their own life and relationships. I've heard people say they recognized they were in an abusive relationship because of moon kitties video. And when the evidence is lined up like that in video format you can clearly see the toxicity in the relationship and it is NOT really that far fetched to suggest bramble has abusive tendencies. He banned squirrelflight from leaving camp without his permission, very weird and controlling, and he nearly physically prevented Leafpool from saving a cat's life, on top of a whole bunch of other red flags in SQH and other books. To say it's not true in canon is just.. well, not true Personally I'd like to see someone make a video similar to moonkitties but arguing that squirrelflight is worse. We need two videos compiling all the awful things these characters have done so we can look at all the evidence and decide which one really is Worse so we can stop having debates about this
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 8, 2021 7:38:08 GMT -5
Debatable imo. Even on the forums I've seen horrible takes, where people do just as Lady said, whether stating they used moonkitti as a source or not. People still make arguments accusing Bramble of being abusive or a cheater, rehashing the same moonkitti logic. When in canon its not true in the least. I mean, that's just people's opinions. Weather they see him as abusive or not, and it dosent make them horrible takes People can have their own opinions, doesn't mean they're right though. Canonly Bramblestar isn't abusive, and Kate made it very clear, and that wasn't her intention either when writing SqH. If people want to see him a certain way, that's fine, but it's another thing to try and claim it's the canon truth. It takes no effort to just say a character personally makes you uncomfortable because of their behavior vs "Bramblestar is abusive to Squirrelflight and he cheated on her!" claims. Those are indeed horrible takes as far as I'm concerned. I find Dustpelt's behavior toward Fernpaw to be uncomfortable, but you don't see me accusing him of being a groomer. I don't like how Sandpaw treated Firepaw, and still don't to this day, but you don't see me accusing her of being abusive. I wasn't fond about how Rowanstar was stubborn toward Tawnypelt and ThunderClan in BrS, but you don't see me calling him an abusive and controlling mate just because he was reprimanding one of his warriors. Like I said, it's fine to have personal opinions, but to claim something else that's no where in canon is nonsensical. Personal feelings is one thing, canon is another.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 8, 2021 8:03:04 GMT -5
I mean, that's just people's opinions. Weather they see him as abusive or not, and it dosent make them horrible takes Yeah. For many people, they recognize signs in the books that remind them of their own life and relationships. I've heard people say they recognized they were in an abusive relationship because of moon kitties video. And when the evidence is lined up like that in video format you can clearly see the toxicity in the relationship and it is NOT really that far fetched to suggest bramble has abusive tendencies. He banned squirrelflight from leaving camp without his permission, very weird and controlling, and he nearly physically prevented Leafpool from saving a cat's life, on top of a whole bunch of other red flags in SQH and other books. To say it's not true in canon is just.. well, not true Personally I'd like to see someone make a video similar to moonkitties but arguing that squirrelflight is worse. We need two videos compiling all the awful things these characters have done so we can look at all the evidence and decide which one really is Worse so we can stop having debates about this No offense, but I respectfully disagree. Squirrelflight snuck out of camp like a naïve apprentice, despite being an aged warrior, and went directly against Bramblestar's orders. She even got their own daughter to lie for her, and got captured, and another leader hurt. Her being punished and not allowed to leave camp for a while is fair imo. She broke the rules, she was reprimanded. I don't see how that's abusive. She also once again went behind Bramble's back by allowing the Sisters into their camp, without even asking Bramble for permission first. Bringing hostile cats, that had previously held her captive and wounded a clan leader, into the heart of their camp. Not only were the Sisters a bunch of troublemakers that started fights with clan cats, Bramblestar very much had even more of a reason not to trust or help them. Is it morally debatable? Sure, but from a leader's perspective his choice makes sense. He was putting his clan's safety first, and was being cautious, especially because of Squirrelflight getting them into that mess in the first place. Squirrelflight was acting on her own, making decisions she had no business making, if anything she could have, and should have, been demoted for her behavior. Even if it were a different cat, they would have been reprimanded all the same, Squirrelflight being his mate is no excuse for her behavior, and not a pass so she can get away with going against orders. Prior to that Bramblestar was perfectly fine with her, level headed, and wanting to compromise, and even expressing that that should talk things out in private first, not her undermining him in front of other leaders. He was quite respectful and trusting of her, but she did not return that said respect and trust and acted on her own. At the end of the day, Bramblestar is leader, and her leader, and she is his deputy, their clan comes first. Squirrelflight had responsibility as a deputy, and chose to break the rules, and break the trust between a leader and a deputy. If people want to accuse Bramble of having abusive tendencies, then do they actually just expect him to instead just let Squirrelflight get away with everything she did just because they're mates? Do they expect him not to punish her because of bias? Do they expect him to be overjoyed that she lied to him, undermined him, and went behind his back? Like genuinely I want to know at this point.
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Post by Aqua on Sept 8, 2021 9:17:39 GMT -5
Yeah. For many people, they recognize signs in the books that remind them of their own life and relationships. I've heard people say they recognized they were in an abusive relationship because of moon kitties video. And when the evidence is lined up like that in video format you can clearly see the toxicity in the relationship and it is NOT really that far fetched to suggest bramble has abusive tendencies. He banned squirrelflight from leaving camp without his permission, very weird and controlling, and he nearly physically prevented Leafpool from saving a cat's life, on top of a whole bunch of other red flags in SQH and other books. To say it's not true in canon is just.. well, not true Personally I'd like to see someone make a video similar to moonkitties but arguing that squirrelflight is worse. We need two videos compiling all the awful things these characters have done so we can look at all the evidence and decide which one really is Worse so we can stop having debates about this No offense, but I respectfully disagree. Squirrelflight snuck out of camp like a naïve apprentice, despite being an aged warrior, and went directly against Bramblestar's orders. She even got their own daughter to lie for her, and got captured, and another leader hurt. Her being punished and not allowed to leave camp for a while is fair imo. She broke the rules, she was reprimanded. I don't see how that's abusive. She also once again went behind Bramble's back by allowing the Sisters into their camp, without even asking Bramble for permission first. Bringing hostile cats, that had previously held her captive and wounded a clan leader, into the heart of their camp. Not only were the Sisters a bunch of troublemakers that started fights with clan cats, Bramblestar very much had even more of a reason not to trust or help them. Is it morally debatable? Sure, but from a leader's perspective his choice makes sense. He was putting his clan's safety first, and was being cautious, especially because of Squirrelflight getting them into that mess in the first place. Squirrelflight was acting on her own, making decisions she had no business making, if anything she could have, and should have, been demoted for her behavior. Even if it were a different cat, they would have been reprimanded all the same, Squirrelflight being his mate is no excuse for her behavior, and not a pass so she can get away with going against orders. Prior to that Bramblestar was perfectly fine with her, level headed, and wanting to compromise, and even expressing that that should talk things out in private first, not her undermining him in front of other leaders. He was quite respectful and trusting of her, but she did not return that said respect and trust and acted on her own. At the end of the day, Bramblestar is leader, and her leader, and she is his deputy, their clan comes first. Squirrelflight had responsibility as a deputy, and chose to break the rules, and break the trust between a leader and a deputy. If people want to accuse Bramble of having abusive tendencies, then do they actually just expect him to instead just let Squirrelflight get away with everything she did just because they're mates? Do they expect him not to punish her because of bias? Do they expect him to be overjoyed that she lied to him, undermined him, and went behind his back? Like genuinely I want to know at this point. Not only that, but her fans act like she can't take care of herself. Squirrelflight has stood up to Bramble multiple times in the past and she has in SqH too. She can handle him just fine. It's very frustrating people act like he's horrible to her. Bramble does his best to please her, he was even willing to have kits with her even though he didn't want any. I don't think Squirrelflight is terrible to him, but when things don't go her way, she acts pretty selfish and her actions affected her clan and she doesn't think twice about it. It's pretty bad when a SkyClan leader and her own daughter called her out for this behavior she pulls. Honestly they're better off as best friends. I'm surprised Bramble still has a lot of patience for her. It really shows how much he cares about her.
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Post by sorethroat on Sept 8, 2021 9:34:41 GMT -5
Neither because both characters getting together was predictable and boring as a result. They also fight too much and it gets old and I don’t give a shit anymore about their next scuffle. Squirrelflight though because girlboss.
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