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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 31, 2021 0:33:27 GMT -5
aka family tree maker gets upset
leopardstar's SE is only one of many prequel material that retcons family tree info, or it just straight up picks random parents out of a hat and it makes no logical sense to me.
it just makes me so mad. so much prequel material in this series just doesnt add up or stay consistent.
for example,
idk where this came from, but apparnetly gorsepaw's dad is cloudrunner? which makes me upset because cloudrunner is OLD af by the time morningflower becomes a warrior (assuming she became one at 1 year old). AND secondly, mudclaw being gorsepaw's father just makes wayyy more sense.
and in leopard's SE, grasswhisker being a girl throws my personal headcanon tree into the trash. why do they keep giving only sister pairs in prequels? why couldn't grasswhisker be a boy? there's hardly any litters with JUST boys in it anymore and it upsets my family tree making and headcanons
basically, im just here to vent about my headcanons being ruined by prequel material. i just wanted to share and get my opinions out there.
there's just SO MANY things wrong with how they decide who is related to who in prequels.
big example. adderfang and swiftbreeze are both brown tabbies, but they somehow have torties, solid black and black and white kits, a solid gray kit. like wtf? who decided to make leopardfoot, patchpelt, willowpelt, redtail, and spottedleaf ALLL RELATED!? even if not in the same litter, HOW tf do they have the SAME PARENTS?
another one that bothers me:
robinwing and fuzzypelt having brindleface, frostfur, dustpelt, and ravenpaw. NONE of this makes sense AT ALL. who decides this stuff!? i'll ignore robinwing having a genetically impossible ginger spot on her brown pelt, but like..brindleface is a gray dappled tabby, frostfur is PURE WHITE LIKE HOW!? dustpelt is a brown TABBY, where both his parents are SOLIDS. and raven is pure black. and it's funny because ravenpaw is the only one that makes sense since he's pure black (if u ignore the white dasho n his chest, he's the ONLY one that makes warriors levels of logical sense here).
i could go on and on about how much the genetics and family tree things make me angry, but i feel like im the only person here who truly gives a crap about this little issue.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 31, 2021 8:54:46 GMT -5
While it would have been interesting (and informative) to have more accurate genetics in the books, I don't expect it in a series about battle cats who go to war with each other while also having an organized religion (and magic).
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Post by Chicken on Aug 31, 2021 10:23:54 GMT -5
I agree with most of your post, however, Warriors never had proper genetics, they had two grey cats have a ginger and white cat. They also had two ginger cats have two brown cats. You know what the biggest sin is though? Yellowfang. She could have been ginger, she should have been ginger, but they made her grey just like 90% of the other characters, but if she was ginger, it would have fit her name, like they could have made her pale ginger/cream like yellowish, but nah, they made her grey and named her...YELLOWkit. Yellowfang's parents need to get their eyes checked. Oh about all tom litters vs all she-cat litters...if the prediction of who Skyheart's kits are is true...it's another three she-cat litter with no toms.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 31, 2021 12:54:49 GMT -5
I agree with most of your post, however, Warriors never had proper genetics, they had two grey cats have a ginger and white cat. They also had two ginger cats have two brown cats. You know what the biggest sin is though? Yellowfang. She could have been ginger, she should have been ginger, but they made her grey just like 90% of the other characters, but if she was ginger, it would have fit her name, like they could have made her pale ginger/cream like yellowish, but nah, they made her grey and named her...YELLOWkit. Yellowfang's parents need to get their eyes checked. Oh about all tom litters vs all she-cat litters...if the prediction of who Skyheart's kits are is true...it's another three she-cat litter with no toms. i forgot that one omg...yellowfang NOT being a yellow cat? what a crime.... like they specifically went out of their way to make yellowfang's parents look nothing like her? like why? shouldnt one of her parents have been gray and smushed face like her to at least make some sort of sense? but noooo, brackenfoot just HAD to be ginger with darker ginger legs. idk whats wrong with yellowfang's SE, but a ton of shadowclan cats at that time have weird colored legs for some odd reason. u have shadowclan mudclaw who is gray with brown legs, amberleaf (who i headcanon to be yellowfang's aunt) being ginger with brown ears AND brown legs...who made the cats up for this SE? geez.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 31, 2021 12:57:18 GMT -5
yea a lot of the pairings are weird and random and could be better. or even like closer in age because while i get theyre not ageing quite the same as people, it just feels kinda dodgy when they often have a ton of cats to utilise. he genetics thing though i get can also be weird and random, but warriors was always like that. its just how it is. warriors version of cat genetics isnt going to be 100% realistic, but i at least need some kind of logic for them...like two gray cats having a ginger kit? why? why would they do this lol. it's little stuff like that that annoy me when i make my canon strict family trees. whenever i re-make the thunderclan tree in my own logic (meaning, i move parents and kits around, and change canon appearances), i make it make sense. like i get why brambleclaw came out brown tabby even though realistically, he'd be a ginger tabby. they wanted a plot where bramble looks like his dad but doesnt want to be judged for that, etc. so for those reasons, some of the warriors logic makes sense. but not for the other little things like two brown tabbies having all kind of color kits like torties, solids, etc. edit: i forgot to mention that in prequels, they can make one parent look closer to the focus cat. like i said earlier, yellowfang having a gray solid parent would make this WAY less annoying, but they went OUT OF THEIR WAY to make both her parents look nothing like her! FOR WHAT REASON!? they knew yellowfang is a solid gray, right? so why in their logic would they think two non-gray cats would make one gray cat and a bunch of other colored cats? i think yellow's siblings are ok because the dad is ginger.
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Post by Featherstar on Aug 31, 2021 12:57:58 GMT -5
I agree with most of your post, however, Warriors never had proper genetics, they had two grey cats have a ginger and white cat. They also had two ginger cats have two brown cats. You know what the biggest sin is though? Yellowfang. She could have been ginger, she should have been ginger, but they made her grey just like 90% of the other characters, but if she was ginger, it would have fit her name, like they could have made her pale ginger/cream like yellowish, but nah, they made her grey and named her...YELLOWkit. Yellowfang's parents need to get their eyes checked. Oh about all tom litters vs all she-cat litters...if the prediction of who Skyheart's kits are is true...it's another three she-cat litter with no toms. i forgot that one omg...yellowfang NOT being a yellow cat? what a crime.... like they specifically went out of their way to make yellowfang's parents look nothing like her? like why? shouldnt one of her parents have been gray and smushed face like her to at least make some sort of sense? but noooo, brackenfoot just HAD to be ginger with darker ginger legs. idk whats wrong with yellowfang's SE, but a ton of shadowclan cats at that time have weird colored legs for some odd reason. u have shadowclan mudclaw who is gray with brown legs, amberleaf (who i headcanon to be yellowfang's aunt) being ginger with brown ears AND brown legs...who made the cats up for this SE? geez. FLAMEPAW!!!! HE IS A BLACK CAT!
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Post by Chicken on Aug 31, 2021 12:58:04 GMT -5
I agree with most of your post, however, Warriors never had proper genetics, they had two grey cats have a ginger and white cat. They also had two ginger cats have two brown cats. You know what the biggest sin is though? Yellowfang. She could have been ginger, she should have been ginger, but they made her grey just like 90% of the other characters, but if she was ginger, it would have fit her name, like they could have made her pale ginger/cream like yellowish, but nah, they made her grey and named her...YELLOWkit. Yellowfang's parents need to get their eyes checked. Oh about all tom litters vs all she-cat litters...if the prediction of who Skyheart's kits are is true...it's another three she-cat litter with no toms. i forgot that one omg...yellowfang NOT being a yellow cat? what a crime.... like they specifically went out of their way to make yellowfang's parents look nothing like her? like why? shouldnt one of her parents have been gray and smushed face like her to at least make some sort of sense? but noooo, brackenfoot just HAD to be ginger with darker ginger legs. idk whats wrong with yellowfang's SE, but a ton of shadowclan cats at that time have weird colored legs for some odd reason. u have shadowclan mudclaw who is gray with brown legs, amberleaf (who i headcanon to be yellowfang's aunt) being ginger with brown ears AND brown legs...who made the cats up for this SE? geez. I noticed that too! I wonder if they're going to go back and make them all related? Oh, Yellowfang's mom has the smushed in face at least.
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Post by Chicken on Aug 31, 2021 12:59:06 GMT -5
i forgot that one omg...yellowfang NOT being a yellow cat? what a crime.... like they specifically went out of their way to make yellowfang's parents look nothing like her? like why? shouldnt one of her parents have been gray and smushed face like her to at least make some sort of sense? but noooo, brackenfoot just HAD to be ginger with darker ginger legs. idk whats wrong with yellowfang's SE, but a ton of shadowclan cats at that time have weird colored legs for some odd reason. u have shadowclan mudclaw who is gray with brown legs, amberleaf (who i headcanon to be yellowfang's aunt) being ginger with brown ears AND brown legs...who made the cats up for this SE? geez. FLAMEPAW!!!! HE IS A BLACK CAT! This annoys me a little bit too! I get they wanted him to be a Larksong clone, but him being ginger would have fit his name AND made him genetically correct.
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She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Aug 31, 2021 13:02:15 GMT -5
FLAMEPAW!!!! HE IS A BLACK CAT! This annoys me a little bit too! I get they wanted him to be a Larksong clone, but him being ginger would have fit his name AND made him genetically correct. It would be like some mother naming their kit "Whitekit" when the kit is black-furred.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 31, 2021 13:02:39 GMT -5
FLAMEPAW!!!! HE IS A BLACK CAT! This annoys me a little bit too! I get they wanted him to be a Larksong clone, but him being ginger would have fit his name AND made him genetically correct. idk what the genetic chances are for flame to come out black, but he should have been ginger lol
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Post by Chicken on Aug 31, 2021 13:03:04 GMT -5
This annoys me a little bit too! I get they wanted him to be a Larksong clone, but him being ginger would have fit his name AND made him genetically correct. It would be like some mother naming their kit "Whitekit" when the kit is black-furred. Oh yeah! Or a cat naming their kit Blackkit when they're almost completely white lol
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Post by Chicken on Aug 31, 2021 13:03:29 GMT -5
This annoys me a little bit too! I get they wanted him to be a Larksong clone, but him being ginger would have fit his name AND made him genetically correct. idk what the genetic chances are for flame to come out black, but he should have been ginger lol The genetic chances of him being black are 0%
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 31, 2021 13:04:25 GMT -5
idk what the genetic chances are for flame to come out black, but he should have been ginger lol The genetic chances of him being black are 0% oh shoots, you're right. he should 100% be a ginger lmao
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Post by Chicken on Aug 31, 2021 13:06:08 GMT -5
The genetic chances of him being black are 0% oh shoots, you're right. he should 100% be a ginger lmao Though, if Sparkpelt was genetically correct and a tortie like she should have been, Flamepaw could have been black and it would have been genetically correct, still doesn't fit his name though. It would have been cool if they used a different fiery based name like Char, Burn, Sear, or Soot.
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