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Post by rookheart on Sept 2, 2021 17:18:08 GMT -5
These are cat books, I think Mapleshade thinking she was invincible made her interesting. The warrior code is antiquated and intended to not to be a stand in for morality. Cats like Squirrelflight are a good example of this.
That being said, Mapleshade should have targeted Oakstar if she was rational, but she's not rational. She's not supposed to be. And that's what makes her interesting, because she does bad things, but bad things also happened to her. You don't have to excuse her actions to acknowledge she received a lot of Warrior Cats' traditional misogyny, and that she didn't deserve the extreme retribution.
I personally think Appledusk shouldn't have gone to Starclan. He's a cheater and that's pretty nasty! I wouldn't want to teach kids that cheating is OK. Maybe it's extreme, but I wouldn't say he's virtuous enough to go to StarClan whatsoever. I wouldn't say he's Tigerstar level evil, but the series doesn't really have a good way to handle cats like Rainflower and Appledusk. I feel very sorry for Reedshine in all this, Appledusk totally used her and Mapleshade.
EDIT: Yeah, no one seems to remember, or have even read the books. I think it's because of the oversaturation in Mapleshade fanart and the like, which has creative liberties. There's this idea that Darkstar or Appledusk wanted the kits buried in a shallow grave, but that's not true, it's fanon. Also Appledusk is commonly compared to cats like Rainflower and Clear Sky when it comes to parenthood, which. Isn't very accurate? He loved his kits, and was just as delusional as Mapleshade about them. He's a horrible person by virtue of being an unfaithful cat husband, but not an abusive father.
That being said, I don't think Mapleshade is really oversaturated at all in canon. Its largely fanon, her appearances are almost never major, especially not in the main series.
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Nov 21, 2021 7:08:48 GMT -5
Mapleshade’s Vengeance is, in my opinion, the darkest and the most Game of Thrones-like Warrior Cats book. However, some other books come in as a very close second. The book is dark because it deals with dark topics like serial/spree killers, madness, and non-good characters.
At first when I read it I hated it. However, upon analyzing it, I realized that it is actually a good book. We are meant to sympathize with every single character.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 21, 2021 7:16:59 GMT -5
Mapleshade’s Vengeance is, in my opinion, the darkest and the most Game of Thrones-like Warrior Cats book. However, some other books come in as a very close second. The book is dark because it deals with dark topics like serial/spree killers, madness, and non-good characters. At first when I read it I hated it. However, upon analyzing it, I realized that it is actually a good book. We are meant to sympathize with every single character. Please don’t necropost! (Posting on a thread that is over a month old)
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Post by cygna on Nov 21, 2021 10:09:57 GMT -5
I find Frecklewish a gray character. I like her to an extent too.
Ravenwing & Oakstar are horrible for doing what they did to those poor kits.
Mapleshade. I hate her personality obviously but she drives the plot of a good story.
Appledusk didn’t do too much wrong on paper but cheaters are nasty af and I can never get myself to sympathize with them no matter how much I try.
At least serial killers are fun to read about as bad as they are. How are cheaters fun to read about.
I don’t care about Reedshine. She’s innocent but I don’t like her for some reason.
Patchkit, Larchkit, and Petalkit are cute babies. They deserved so much better.
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Post by cygna on Nov 21, 2021 10:10:42 GMT -5
I find Frecklewish a gray character. I like her to an extent too.
Ravenwing & Oakstar are horrible for doing what they did to those poor kits.
Mapleshade. I hate her personality obviously but she drives the plot of a good story.
Appledusk didn’t do too much wrong on paper but cheaters are nasty af and I can never get myself to sympathize with them no matter how much I try.
At least serial killers are fun to read about as bad as they are. How are cheaters fun to read about.
I don’t care about Reedshine. She’s innocent but I don’t like her for some reason. Maybe because she didn’t feel bad for innocent dead kits?
Patchkit, Larchkit, and Petalkit are cute babies. They deserved so much better.
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Post by cygna on Nov 21, 2021 10:11:40 GMT -5
I find Frecklewish a gray character. I like her to an extent too.
Ravenwing & Oakstar are horrible for doing what they did to Mapleshade’s kits.
Mapleshade. I hate her personality obviously but she drives the plot of a good story.
Appledusk didn’t do too much wrong on paper but cheaters are nasty af and I can never get myself to sympathize with them no matter how much I try.
At least serial killers are fun to read about as bad as they are. How are cheaters fun to read about.
I don’t care about Reedshine. She’s innocent but I don’t like her for some reason. Maybe because she didn’t feel bad for innocent dead kits?
Patchkit, Larchkit, and Petalkit are cute babies. They deserved so much better.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 21, 2021 12:21:07 GMT -5
Sand 🎃 or mintedstar/fur, please lock this thread.
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