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Post by downfalls on Aug 27, 2021 8:17:27 GMT -5
this is kinda similar to the one i did with general things, but now im doing it w/warriors!
what are your unpopular warriors opinions?
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Post by roseberry on Aug 27, 2021 10:31:18 GMT -5
Jayfeather is annoying Hollyleaf is way too overrated Lionblaze is underrated All arc 1 and 2 cats should die/become elders TNP was super boring Leafstar is the only good leader at the moment Leafpool is cool and her story is interesting Palebird sucked as a character Leopardstar and Blackstar should get/should have gotten punished
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Aug 27, 2021 10:35:11 GMT -5
roseberry Yesss! We share the same opinions exactly
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Post by Aqua on Aug 27, 2021 10:35:33 GMT -5
Dovewing is a good sister who worried about Ivypool all the time and always tried to do the right thing. Jayfeather was too harsh on Dovewing and Ivypool in Omen of the Stars. Mapleshade was horrible for lying to her clan and brought everything upon herself. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with siblings visiting different clans. Not sure if this counts, but Bumblestripe isn't anything like Ashfur. Hollyleaf should have faced some consequences for killing Ashfur. I am so tired of many cats getting away with their crimes just because "they felt bad". This is coming from someone who loves Hollyleaf. Ivypool is too harsh on Dovewing and I don't want her to be deputy. Shadowsight is a boring character. Squirrelflight and her fandom is annoying. This fandom overreacts too much over fictional cat books. Couldn't help myself with that one. 😄 Bramblestar is a good leader for his clan. Millie isn't that bad, though I can understand why a lot of people don't like her. A lot of people in the fandom are hypocrites. They get mad if people call out Squirrelflight on a Bramblestar topic but then act like it's fine if they do the same thing to Bramblestar and don't get mad about that for some reason. And these people actually get mad about it too. Kind of pisses me off because I've seen MANY of the same people do the exact same thing about Bramblestar. It genuinely feels like I can't defend Bramblestar without people getting angry about it. It makes me dislike Squirrelflight even more.
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Post by downfalls on Aug 27, 2021 10:43:00 GMT -5
Jayfeather is annoying Hollyleaf is way too overrated Lionblaze is underrated All arc 1 and 2 cats should die/become elders TNP was super boring Leafstar is the only good leader at the moment Leafpool is cool and her story is interesting Palebird sucked as a character Leopardstar and Blackstar should get/should have gotten punished the palebird one is just plain speaking facts. she was a shitty mother to tallkit/tallpaw
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Aug 27, 2021 10:46:07 GMT -5
Aqua I like shadowsight but I heavily agree with your opinion on him. Also I agree with the hollyleaf one and a few more of your opinions
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Post by Chicken on Aug 27, 2021 11:33:10 GMT -5
I love threads like these! Anyway...the list!
1. I like cats that most people don't like Sandynose, Stick, Tigerheart, Sandgorse, Shrewclaw, etc.
2. I don't mind Firekin being in power, I just don't want a former main character.
3. I liked the second half of AVOS minus the Finleap thing.
4. TBC is probably my least favorite arc.
5. I don't care much for the more popular characters like Crookedstar, Tallstar, Briarlight, etc.
6. I feel like certain characters, like Smoky, Ravenwing, Bumblestripe, and Scorchfur get too much hate.
7. Palebird wasn't a bad mother, yeah, she wasn't the best, but she was dealing with depression, and that can make it hard to even get out of bed, despite that, she still told Tallstar stories and stuff, I do feel really bad for Tallstar, and I can understand not having a fully present parent, but I don't think it's fair to call Palebird a bad mother, when she tried her best.
8. The forbidden romance code does not need to change.
9. RiverClam is the lamest clan...actually, they seem really cool, but they're hella overrated in the fandom.
10. WindClan is the best clan.
11. Some cats had worse lives than the cats on the top ten list that came out not too long ago, about cats with the saddest lives or whatever it was.
12. Yellowfang never broke the code, I know the books say she did, but come on! She was with Ragged BEFORE she was a medicine cat, and besides, she didn't even want to be a medicine cat.
13. Foxheart didn't seem that bad.
14. I hate the fact that Ashfur is the impostor/the main villain of this current arc.
15. Lionblaze was the most enjoyable POV to read in POT.
That is all I have for now, but more than likely, more will be added.
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Post by rabbit on Aug 27, 2021 12:19:03 GMT -5
All arc 1 and 2 cats should die/become elders This is a popular opinion because sometimes I feel like the only one who doesn't wish death on the older cast.
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Post by downfalls on Aug 27, 2021 12:42:31 GMT -5
I love threads like these! Anyway...the list! 1. I like cats that most people don't like Sandynose, Stick, Tigerheart, Sandgorse, Shrewclaw, etc. 2. I don't mind Firekin being in power, I just don't want a former main character. 3. I liked the second half of AVOS minus the Finleap thing. 4. TBC is probably my least favorite arc. 5. I don't care much for the more popular characters like Crookedstar, Tallstar, Briarlight, etc. 6. I feel like certain characters, like Smoky, Ravenwing, Bumblestripe, and Scorchfur get too much hate. 7. Palebird wasn't a bad mother, yeah, she wasn't the best, but she was dealing with depression, and that can make it hard to even get out of bed, despite that, she still told Tallstar stories and stuff, I do feel really bad for Tallstar, and I can understand not having a fully present parent, but I don't think it's fair to call Palebird a bad mother, when she tried her best. 8. The forbidden romance code does not need to change. 9. RiverClam is the lamest clan...actually, they seem really cool, but they're hella overrated in the fandom. 10. WindClan is the best clan. 11. Some cats had worse lives than the cats on the top ten list that came out not too long ago, about cats with the saddest lives or whatever it was. 12. Yellowfang never broke the code, I know the books say she did, but come on! She was with Ragged BEFORE she was a medicine cat, and besides, she didn't even want to be a medicine cat. 13. Foxheart didn't seem that bad. 14. I hate the fact that Ashfur is the impostor/the main villain of this current arc. 15. Lionblaze was the most enjoyable POV to read in POT. That is all I have for now, but more than likely, more will be added. tbh i like sandynose too, and i also hate tbc-
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Aug 27, 2021 13:16:59 GMT -5
Lizardstripe, before she started being a shitty mother to Brokenkit, was entertaining as she was so sassy, strongheaded, and stubborn. It was entertaining to see her cause so much trouble.
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Post by Tawnyfire on Aug 27, 2021 13:24:32 GMT -5
i think this is one?
It's dumb to restrict what names people can use, simply because a cat has had it in the books. cats with the same name as those in the books aren't necessarily going to be copies or similar, the name just represents the cat and it sucks so much to have to find another name because the best fitting one you've thought of happens to be some obscure cat in one of the clans.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 27, 2021 14:52:24 GMT -5
here's a few of my scorching hot takes.
TBC is garbage and i think it's not as good or well written as majority of the fandom think it is.
ashfur being the imposter is stupid and makes no sense. it's one of the main reasons TBC is garbage imo.
squirrelflight has always been a god awful and stupid character. her blind fans are annoying and toxic and act like she's done nothing wrong. they also bring down bramblestar any chance they get even the discussion never originally mentions him.
speaking of, bramblestar is not an abuser and he's not a monster that the fandom thinks he is. people are just blinded by their worship of squirrelflight to see otherwise.
ivypool would make an awful leader.
dovewing and ivypool were BOTH awful protagonists and didn't do crap in their arc. they were both useless.
mudclaw would have been a better leader than onestar, and i will die on this hill.
alderheart and sparkpelt should never have existed. bramble x squirrel should have stayed broken up, thus these two never needing to be born. they are 100% replaceable in AVOS and i dont see why alderheart was even made a protag only to get replaced as soon as violet and twig come in and take over the more important narratives.
scorchfur isn't that bad of a guy, people are just blinded by their love and bias for tawnypelt.
speaking of, tawnypelt is also a garbage character. she's never once done anything great or worth any praise.
the code about forbidden cross clan mates shouldn't ever change. loyalty is the foundation of all clans and getting rid of this part of the code would ruin clan society and the very idea of what loyalty means.
nightcloud is not some poor, little victim. she's just as bad as crowfeather and yet she's more excused by the fandom.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 27, 2021 17:10:06 GMT -5
Tigerheartstar is a good character.
...This is all I have XD
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 17:11:28 GMT -5
ok bet
1. my favorite character is mudclaw but onestar has the most interesting and most well-written character arc in the books, and i absolutely adore him also. i adore both of them my windclan problem men <3 stop pitting these 2 kings against each other!! (IN ADDITION... i think onestar was honestly justified to be like that, just as mudclaw also was)
2. skyclan's destiny absolutely owns. i love u stick i love u red my Rigoletto Opera but Cats <333
3. whitestorm is boring. like i'm sorry there's litcherally nothing there
4. ashfur is legitimately the best villain in the books. i absolutely adore the way he's written and how he develops from background character to overarching villain. good stuff
5. i love tigerheart and dovewing. both of them <3
6. i love clear sky and dislike gray wing. yes clear sky murdered multiple people but gray wing was annoying and that's worse
7. again i love mudclaw but the only way he'd be a better leader is bc he had Experience like otherwise he'd be very much like onestar. which honestly good for him i think windclan should be allowed to be mean
8. why does dustpelt exist when longtail is literally just dustpelt's arc but better executed
9. nightcloud may have been flawed or whatever but does anyone remember that scene where crowfeather literally punched breezepaw even tho he was still a child at the time... girl
10. the amount of times in this fandom where ppl will be like 'i want complex characters' and then erin hunter gives them complex characters and they start hating on them for 'making bad desicions' and 'not always being good' is so funny 2 me. never gets old it literally never gets old
11. related to the above it's really clear 2 me warrior cats fans don't actually want interesting characters they just want blank slates they can project upon
12. bumblestripe sucks but at the same time he isn't an ashfur. ashfur is full on embroiled into the incel terminology, meanwhile bumblestripe is the guy at the bar who tells you he's a feminist but then gets all huffy and says smth like 'women never know what's good for them' when you politely tell him you're busy at the moment and can't meet up w/ him right then and there
13. i detest the this is me map with a passion, as a disabled person myself
14. i love squirrelflight and i Do think she's right against bramblestar, but can we take the time to acknowledge how selfish some of her actions in tbc are given the amount of people she's willing to put in danger just to save her husband. i do love squilf being complex and making wrong choices but why is the narrative playing it as this great love story or w/e
15. i don't think we should want leaders based on who would be 'best' at it bc 'leader does a great job' is boring. i would rather have a dozen onestars than a dozen harestars or whoever
16. FINALLY why does the fandom make hawkfrost out to be this smooth-talking pretty boy or whatever. this cat is so gloriously pathetic. he has the physical and mental presence of a worm on a string. none of his plans are thought out for more than 5 seconds and he's just a pathetic little guy trying to get his dad's approval over and over. and that's what i love abt him i love pathetic villains <3 same with sol i think sol's backstory of just being pathetic absolutely owns
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 27, 2021 22:44:14 GMT -5
Y'all ready for this spicy take? I don't think you are.
Here goes. *deep breath*
Redtail killing Oakheart is a far better event than Oakheart dying by rockfall. It's more consistent with the time period where everyone was murdering each other constantly, and it doesn't actually subtract from Tigerclaw's treachery. It just makes it slightly less convenient for Fireheart to prove said treachery to Bluestar because doing so would be accusing a trusted (and dead) deputy of murder. The fact that they are at all concerned about this when cats are being murdered left and right by cats both evil and good is stupid. Ravenpaw just going "oh, we don't have to worry about this interesting plot/character conflict because Oakheart was killed by a rockfall" is dumb and feels WAY too convenient. Therefore, I am a proud supporter of the Redtail's Debt canon.
I don't think you'll find a less popular opinion than that.
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Post by Aqua on Aug 27, 2021 22:50:42 GMT -5
Tigerheartstar is a good character. ...This is all I have XD Careful. You'll have 5,000 fans coming at you to tell you how wrong you are and how much they hate him. 8P
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Post by Cloudy Sky on Aug 28, 2021 2:01:19 GMT -5
Y'all ready for this spicy take? I don't think you are. Here goes. *deep breath* Redtail killing Oakheart is a far better event than Oakheart dying by rockfall. It's more consistent with the time period where everyone was murdering each other constantly, and it doesn't actually subtract from Tigerclaw's treachery. It just makes it slightly less convenient for Fireheart to prove said treachery to Bluestar because doing so would be accusing a trusted (and dead) deputy of murder. The fact that they are at all concerned about this when cats are being murdered left and right by cats both evil and good is stupid. Ravenpaw just going "oh, we don't have to worry about this interesting plot/character conflict because Oakheart was killed by a rockfall" is dumb and feels WAY too convenient. Therefore, I am a proud supporter of the Redtail's Debt canon. I don't think you'll find a less popular opinion than that. . . You know what? This makes perfect sense. I'm on your side now.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Aug 28, 2021 5:08:08 GMT -5
It seems rather uncommon for people to like characters on opposite sides because they go against each other. For example, people either side with Squirrelflight or Bramblestar, or choose Dovewing or choose Ivypool, but personally, I like characters from both sides easily enough.
(Squirrelflight, Bramblestar/Dovewing, Ivypool/Nightcloud, Crowfeather, Breezepelt/Onestar, Mudclaw, etc.
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Post by Rainsplash on Aug 28, 2021 6:26:13 GMT -5
Jayfeather, Hollyleaf and Ivypool are awfully overrated.
Lionblaze is underrated, he's really not boring.
TwigFin is fine now, they seem to have solved their problems. Finleap was in the wrong, that's for sure, but I find them perfectly healthy now.
RiverClan is overrated in the fandom. I don't think they have so much potential to be so interesting, and in the new arc we probably won't see anything so shockingly different from the others.
Some parts of the fandom glorifies Mapleshade and Nightcloud too much like they're helpless little victims.
I want LeafCrow in StarClan.
I dislike CT, it's perspective is so different from what we've seen in the main arcs.
I like Tallstar x Reena and Jake x Nutmeg.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 28, 2021 6:33:49 GMT -5
Blackstar and Leopardstar should have been punished properly for their crimes against Stonefur TNP is my favorite arc Bramblestar and Squirrelflight are still wonderful characters just not as a romantic couple Hollyleaf trying to poison her own mother with deathberries should have come up again in some way Lionblaze is not boring and instead just wasted potential Jayfeather was too rude at times Sol is pathetic/not intimidating Needletail and Violetpaw did not have a "healthy sisterly bond"
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Post by daurianwind on Aug 31, 2021 4:56:38 GMT -5
Leopardstar is not totally morally black - controversial character with controversial traits, both cruel, insidious, intolerant, ambitious and courageous, able to contrition and to be kind and protective. She had ideal reputation as dedicated warrior before «Darkes hour» and made her redemption for all she had done - she take two half-clan kits and their mother in River Clan, she tried to sacrifice herself for Feathertail, Stormfur and when have a strength to say «sorry» to them personally.
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Post by Chicken on Aug 31, 2021 11:36:54 GMT -5
I got another one. In the case of Tigerheart vs Ivypool, I'm going to side with Tigerheart, he has every right to hate Ivypool, she was literally going to DOUBLE kill his brother, completely wipe him out of existence. He owes her absolutely nothing.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 31, 2021 12:02:32 GMT -5
people confused "unpopular" for "controversial" lol. theyre not synonymous.
mine is that spottedleaf wasn't a creep or annoying, just tragic
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 31, 2021 14:19:13 GMT -5
Leopardstar and Onestar are two of the most interesting characters in the series and I like them for their morally grey complexity.
Crowfeather’s not complex or compelling at all. He’s genuinely just a crappy father who makes bad romantic choices. Nothing else about him is interesting or worth paying attention to.
I want to see Reedwhisker become leader of Riverclan even though I know he probably won’t.
Tree is still really boring and unneeded in the series. In fact, the entirety of Skyclan bores me to tears. They’re so much better at the gorge.
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Post by Chicken on Aug 31, 2021 14:22:02 GMT -5
Leopardstar and Onestar are two of the most interesting characters in the series and I like them for their morally grey complexity. Crowfeather’s not complex or compelling at all. He’s genuinely just a crappy father who makes bad romantic choices. Nothing else about him is interesting or worth paying attention to. I want to see Reedwhisker become leader of Riverclan even though I know he probably won’t. Tree is still really boring and unneeded in the series. In fact, the entirety of Skyclan bores me to tears. They’re so much better at the gorge. I disagree with half of your points, but I'm liking your post anyway because the Crowfeather thing is straight facts. Not to mention, he was always a little prick, even before he even knew Feathertail.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 31, 2021 14:26:40 GMT -5
Leopardstar and Onestar are two of the most interesting characters in the series and I like them for their morally grey complexity. Crowfeather’s not complex or compelling at all. He’s genuinely just a crappy father who makes bad romantic choices. Nothing else about him is interesting or worth paying attention to. I want to see Reedwhisker become leader of Riverclan even though I know he probably won’t. Tree is still really boring and unneeded in the series. In fact, the entirety of Skyclan bores me to tears. They’re so much better at the gorge. I disagree with half of your points, but I'm liking your post anyway because the Crowfeather thing is straight facts. Not to mention, he was always a little prick, even before he even knew Feathertail. That’s ok, I disagree with alot of your points too so I guess that makes us even lmao. But yeah no, Crowfeather can leave my presence. no thanks.
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Post by Chicken on Aug 31, 2021 14:28:37 GMT -5
I disagree with half of your points, but I'm liking your post anyway because the Crowfeather thing is straight facts. Not to mention, he was always a little prick, even before he even knew Feathertail. That’s ok, I disagree with alot of your points too so I guess that makes us even lmao. But yeah no, Crowfeather can leave my presence. no thanks. That's fair lol, I'd honestly die of shock if people agreed with all of my points haha. Same! I bet if he wasn't all edgy he wouldn't be half as popular XD
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