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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Aug 23, 2021 13:32:11 GMT -5
As a kid, reading The Sight, and fully well knowing that Jaypaw would be a medicine cat by outcast, I really would have thought it been neat seeing Jaypaw be a warrior. Why? I couldn't tell you why. It just seemed cool.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 23, 2021 16:58:24 GMT -5
i think it would have been interesting to at least see jaypaw be given a chance. i dont remember brightheart actually doing anytihng with jaypaw before he switched?
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Post by Pixie on Aug 23, 2021 17:32:31 GMT -5
i think it would have been interesting to at least see jaypaw be given a chance. i dont remember brightheart actually doing anytihng with jaypaw before he switched? I remember that there was a training scene with her, Longtail, and Jaypaw, and he thought something along the lines of like: let’s lump all the useless cats together and hope a tree falls on them. I forgot what the training was tho.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 23, 2021 17:49:14 GMT -5
i think it would have been interesting to at least see jaypaw be given a chance. i dont remember brightheart actually doing anytihng with jaypaw before he switched? I remember that there was a training scene with her, Longtail, and Jaypaw, and he thought something along the lines of like: let’s lump all the useless cats together and hope a tree falls on them. I forgot what the training was tho. It wasn't training, just tick picking and moss moving. Brightheart seemed to want to fix his attitude before she got to the physical stuff, but Jayfeather honestly swapped career paths very quickly.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 23, 2021 18:29:24 GMT -5
Jayfeather might have been pretty useless in combat but as a warrior, he could probably help battle and hunting patrols pick up a lot more detail in their setting subsequently and cause their skills to become sharper.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Aug 25, 2021 0:45:28 GMT -5
I remember that there was a training scene with her, Longtail, and Jaypaw, and he thought something along the lines of like: let’s lump all the useless cats together and hope a tree falls on them. I forgot what the training was tho. It wasn't training, just tick picking and moss moving. Brightheart seemed to want to fix his attitude before she got to the physical stuff, but Jayfeather honestly swapped career paths very quickly. Yeah, Jaypaw's attitude was horrible but I did want to see him be a warrior :3
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 25, 2021 21:32:20 GMT -5
Jayfeather could have been a warrior. And clearly Firestar thought so too, because he made him a warrior apprentice.
But the truth that the fandom often misunderstands is that Jayfeather didn't want it, because he knew he could only be a half-warrior at best.
Yes, you could assign him only to hunting and border patrols, and that would work fine. Although he might not be as good as other cats with all five senses, he'd still be adequate. But general capability doesn't erase someone's handicap. Blindness is still a disability, and that can make Jayfeather a liability in some dangerous situations. What if a border confrontation turns nasty and fighting breaks out? Or a hunting party is ambushed? Sure, Jay can acquire rudimentary fighting skills, but he's still at a serious disadvantage blind. That puts him in a position where he'd necessarily rely on his clan mates in a possibly deadly situation (thereby putting their lives more at risk, too).
None of that means he can't be a warrior at all -- again, Firestar clearly thinks he can -- but Jayfeather hated feeling patronized or singled-out for his disability, and life as a warrior would necessitate that in its frequent duties. He didn't want to settle for a role he could only half-fulfill. He didn't want to constantly feel different for his blindness. But being a medicine cat? Even though its not what he wanted, it was a "different" he could choose, and a role he could fully perform and excel at in a way he couldn't as a warrior. Jayfeather would always be bitter that the option of full warriorhood was taken from him since birth, but that doesn't mean becoming a medicine cat was any less of his choice. Or that it didn't fit his character. He's extremely pragmatic and independent.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Aug 30, 2021 16:50:52 GMT -5
Jayfeather could have been a warrior. And clearly Firestar thought so too, because he made him a warrior apprentice. But the truth that the fandom often misunderstands is that Jayfeather didn't want it, because he knew he could only be a half-warrior at best. Yes, you could assign him only to hunting and border patrols, and that would work fine. Although he might not be as good as other cats with all five senses, he'd still be adequate. But general capability doesn't erase someone's handicap. Blindness is still a disability, and that can make Jayfeather a liability in some dangerous situations. What if a border confrontation turns nasty and fighting breaks out? Or a hunting party is ambushed? Sure, Jay can acquire rudimentary fighting skills, but he's still at a serious disadvantage blind. That puts him in a position where he'd necessarily rely on his clan mates in a possibly deadly situation (thereby putting their lives more at risk, too). None of that means he can't be a warrior at all -- again, Firestar clearly thinks he can -- but Jayfeather hated feeling patronized or singled-out for his disability, and life as a warrior would necessitate that in its frequent duties. He didn't want to settle for a role he could only half-fulfill. He didn't want to constantly feel different for his blindness. But being a medicine cat? Even though its not what he wanted, it was a "different" he could choose, and a role he could fully perform and excel at in a way he couldn't as a warrior. Jayfeather would always be bitter that the option of full warriorhood was taken from him since birth, but that doesn't mean becoming a medicine cat was any less of his choice. Or that it didn't fit his character. He's extremely pragmatic and independent. I didn't see it like that, though I don't remember the books that well. I didn't understand why he was so pissed about getting Brightheart-(EDIT: OK, I did, but I was a kid when I read the books and even I wasn't totally oblivious to the fact that it's not a matter of "pity" or "lumping all the useless cats together", it's pragmatic) Brightheart is a visually impaired cat, so she can help a visually impaired cat become a warrior. Most of Jaypaw's unhappiness came off as a tad bratty, but not requiring a whole career change, and he just seemed really reluctant to go into it till the very end. I don't think that they would've managed to sway him if his failures (which came from not listening to his mentor as opposed to his blindness). Again, I haven't read the books in a while, but this is my perspective.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 31, 2021 6:51:46 GMT -5
Jayfeather could have been a warrior. And clearly Firestar thought so too, because he made him a warrior apprentice. But the truth that the fandom often misunderstands is that Jayfeather didn't want it, because he knew he could only be a half-warrior at best. Yes, you could assign him only to hunting and border patrols, and that would work fine. Although he might not be as good as other cats with all five senses, he'd still be adequate. But general capability doesn't erase someone's handicap. Blindness is still a disability, and that can make Jayfeather a liability in some dangerous situations. What if a border confrontation turns nasty and fighting breaks out? Or a hunting party is ambushed? Sure, Jay can acquire rudimentary fighting skills, but he's still at a serious disadvantage blind. That puts him in a position where he'd necessarily rely on his clan mates in a possibly deadly situation (thereby putting their lives more at risk, too). None of that means he can't be a warrior at all -- again, Firestar clearly thinks he can -- but Jayfeather hated feeling patronized or singled-out for his disability, and life as a warrior would necessitate that in its frequent duties. He didn't want to settle for a role he could only half-fulfill. He didn't want to constantly feel different for his blindness. But being a medicine cat? Even though its not what he wanted, it was a "different" he could choose, and a role he could fully perform and excel at in a way he couldn't as a warrior. Jayfeather would always be bitter that the option of full warriorhood was taken from him since birth, but that doesn't mean becoming a medicine cat was any less of his choice. Or that it didn't fit his character. He's extremely pragmatic and independent. I didn't see it like that, though I don't remember the books that well. I didn't understand why he was so pissed about getting Brightheart-(EDIT: OK, I did, but I was a kid when I read the books and even I wasn't totally oblivious to the fact that it's not a matter of "pity" or "lumping all the useless cats together", it's pragmatic) Brightheart is a visually impaired cat, so she can help a visually impaired cat become a warrior. Most of Jaypaw's unhappiness came off as a tad bratty, but not requiring a whole career change, and he just seemed really reluctant to go into it till the very end. I don't think that they would've managed to sway him if his failures (which came from not listening to his mentor as opposed to his blindness). Again, I haven't read the books in a while, but this is my perspective. The book is intentionally vague about the reasons he decided to become a medicine cat. There are certainly struggles he had in warrior training, and he was being pushed into MCing because of his "gift" (but never because of his blindness, ever), but the ultimate reason he switched paths is deliberately left unsaid in the book, so any one or multiple of his life experiences could be the cause. We don't know for sure, so people go by their own interpretations. Personally I believe his decision had nothing to do with his disability nor his warrior training. He just had a bout of self-discovery and realized he was truly a prodigy when it came to spirituality and medicine. How could he not pursue the path that would allow him to bring the most value to those he cares about? But that has no more evidence for it than saint's interpretation, so both are equally valid. The only reason given in the book is "[Jaypaw] had to acknowledge what he knew all along". What he knew all along is anyone's guess.
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