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Post by downfalls on Aug 19, 2021 8:04:43 GMT -5
here we go
- bluestar: naming brightheart lostface, falling in love with oakheart - yellowfang: giving brokenstar the right to exist - leopardstar: allying with tigerstar and not saving stonefur when he was being attacked - darkstripe: feeding A LITERAL CHILD deathberries - darkstar: kicking a grieving queen out of riverclan to live in the rogue barn - appledusk: cheating on mapleshade without even telling her - lionblaze: literally blaming heatherpaw for the tunnel thing - dovewing: leaving thunderclan for tigerfart - jumper/hoot: literally existing - thunder: literally existing
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Post by crowspirit on Aug 19, 2021 9:17:05 GMT -5
Bramblestar denying Sunrise treatment because he was scared of Tigerstarสผs reaction. I know that the sisters held clan cats hostage and attacked a ShadowClan patrol, I hate them, they're terrible. But you don't let a cat just die. If Firestar was still leader, this would have never happened!
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Post by MadameDelune on Aug 19, 2021 9:25:52 GMT -5
Tigerstar literally getting his whole clan, going all the way to windclan, killing Gorsepaw, just to spite Fireheart cuz he can and heโs *that* bitch and he wants everyone to know it
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Aug 19, 2021 9:27:49 GMT -5
Bramblestar: Separating twigkit and violetkit Rowanstar: Disbanding shadowclan and demanding violetkit Tigerstar 2nd: his actions in AVoS and his Super Edition Mistystar: Kicking out mothwing for no good reason Leopardstar: her TPB actions Onestar: Withholding the cure for yellowcough from shadowclan Mapleshade: her actions in crookedstar's promise Clearsky: Abandoning his son, then demanding him back Breezepelt: Laughing at hollyleaf after she died, also attacking a queen Lionblaze: I love him but dang he does a lot of stupid stuff Yellowfang: Being the worst starclan cat ever Clawface: Kidnapping kits Brokenstar: Making kits apprentices at 3 moons Darkstripe: Trying to kill sorrelkit Bluestar: The whole lostface incident Sleekwhisker: Attempting to kill her friends kits
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Aug 19, 2021 9:38:41 GMT -5
Almost the whole of ShadowClan supporting Darktail's rogues over Rowanstar. Sleekwhisker helping to kill Needletail, her former best friend. Ashfur for not accepting Squirrelflight's decision. Finleap getting mad at Twigbranch for not wanting his kits. Bumblestripe pressuring and nagging Dovewing to have his kits. Jessy. Jagged Peak being harsh and judgmental to every cat. Flametail about to let Jayfeather die just because he couldn't save him in life.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Aug 19, 2021 10:41:21 GMT -5
Brokenstar killing kits Tigerstar's crimes (but especially the entire dog plan and murdering Gorsepaw) Bluestar giving Brightpaw the degrading warrior name of Lostface Darkstripe trying to poison his half sister Sorrelkit with deathberries Blackfoot (and Darkstripe) executing Stonefur Leopardstar allowing Stonefur's demise Ashfur not getting over being rejected and (still) trying to destroy Squirrelflight's life over it StarClan lying to Squirrelflight about her being barren and pressuring her into taking in Leafpool's kits Hollyleaf trying to poison her mother Leafpool with deathberries Breezepelt attempting to kill a blind medicine cat and a pregnant queen with the help of Brokenstar Flametail being ready to let Jayfeather die just because he failed at saving him from drowning previously ShadowClan blaming their temporary downfall entirely on Rowanstar even though each of them played a part in it Darktail drowning cats Sleekwhisker helping him in doing so and later trying to kill kits in order of getting revenge Bumblestripe trying to pressure Dovewing into having kits while they are not together and she's grieving for Purdy Finleap trying to pressure Twigbranch into having kits and gaslighting her when she doesn't want to Tigerstar II in The Raging Storm was one cruel disaster Clear Sky's crimes and how he treats his brothers and oldest living son Mapleshade's actions towards Crookedstar Appledusk cheating on both Mapleshade and Reedshine with the other Oakstar exiling a queen and her kits Darkstar denying a grieving queen who just lost her kits to join RiverClan Frecklewish not even attempting to save kits who were drowning in front of her Ravenwing just accepting and relaying a prophecy with the result of kits getting banished
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Aug 19, 2021 12:48:01 GMT -5
Almost the whole of ShadowClan supporting Darktail's rogues over Rowanstar. Sleekwhisker helping to kill Needletail, her former best friend. Ashfur for not accepting Squirrelflight's decision. Finleap getting mad at Twigbranch for not wanting his kits. Bumblestripe pressuring and nagging Dovewing to have his kits. Jessy. Jagged Peak being harsh and judgmental to every cat. Flametail about to let Jayfeather die just because he couldn't save him in life. I second the finleap one
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Post by Aqua on Aug 19, 2021 13:34:24 GMT -5
Rowanstar: Taking Violetkit away from Twigkit. Onestar: Refusing to give the herbs to ShadowClan. Tigerstar: Abandoning his clan for Dovewing when his clan was on the verge of collapsing. Mapleshade: Lying to their clan about Birchface, and then killing their medicine cat at the Moonstone. Bramblestar: Refusing to heal Sunrise until StarClan says so. Brokenstar: Making kits fight each other. Darkstripe: Poisoning a kit with deathberries.
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Post by Chicken on Aug 19, 2021 13:58:02 GMT -5
Killing a medicine cat at the most sacred place for clan cats, and leaving him there for the other medicine cats to find, and then, after they bury him, undoing all that hard work, and leaving the body of the medicine cat out there to be eaten by predators seems extremely cruel to me.
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Post by sylveon on Aug 19, 2021 14:06:40 GMT -5
I walked into this thinking it said "cutest/silliest things" and I was very confused for a few seconds.
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Post by ~ฦฮฑะผะผฮน-`แฆยด- on Aug 19, 2021 14:29:45 GMT -5
First thing I thought of for cruelest is Honeyfern's death.
Stupidest? Dove crawling back to Tiger.
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Post by rabbit on Aug 19, 2021 16:25:14 GMT -5
The Gorsepaw one is really cruel. I reread it recently and didnโt remember how upsetting it was. Also, Yellowfang lying to Squirrelflight about being barren is up there.
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Post by แนขanษypawโข on Aug 19, 2021 17:16:45 GMT -5
I personally don't think that Yellowfang allowing Brokenstar to exist was cruel on her part because she'd literally just lost two-thirds of her litter and she couldn't have possibly predicted what Brokenstar would grow to be. As for what I think is cruel, those ThunderClan background characters dying without being able to reach their true potential.
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Post by Rainsplash on Aug 19, 2021 18:45:58 GMT -5
The Gorsepaw's one's pretty cruel, and Bramblestar being a wimp to Tigerstar so wouldn't treat Sunrise, and ThunderClan being prejudiced towards Bramblekit and Tawnykit.
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Post by Cloudy Sky on Aug 19, 2021 23:06:26 GMT -5
Killing a medicine cat at the most sacred place for clan cats, and leaving him there for the other medicine cats to find, and then, after they bury him, undoing all that hard work, and leaving the body of the medicine cat out there to be eaten by predators seems extremely cruel to me. I've forgotten, where did this happen?
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Post by Chicken on Aug 19, 2021 23:07:17 GMT -5
Killing a medicine cat at the most sacred place for clan cats, and leaving him there for the other medicine cats to find, and then, after they bury him, undoing all that hard work, and leaving the body of the medicine cat out there to be eaten by predators seems extremely cruel to me. I've forgotten, where did this happen? In Mapleshade's Vengeance
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Post by โฒฯฮนะบฮฑฦฯ
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Russetfur and her patrol watching a literal kit suffer in a fox trap just because he wasn't Clanborn. Still makes me sick to this day
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 20, 2021 4:13:33 GMT -5
The Gorsepaw's one's pretty cruel, and Bramblestar being a wimp to Tigerstar so wouldn't treat Sunrise, and ThunderClan being prejudiced towards Bramblekit and Tawnykit. Just my opinion, but since they were the children of Tigerstar himself, I fully understand their "suspicions" towards Bramblekit and Tawnykit. As the saying goes, like father like son. (Or like father like daughter, as well.)
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 20, 2021 4:19:09 GMT -5
Russetfur and her patrol watching a literal kit suffer in a fox trap just because he wasn't Clanborn. Still makes me sick to this day Unless I'm mistaken, the warrior code does not protect outsiders, including kits. So them not helping the kit, while unjustifiable, is completely understandable in my opinion. Technically they weren't breaking the code. Warrior Code rule #12: "No warrior can neglect a kit in pain or danger, even if the kit is from a different Clan." Notice how it implies that only Clan kits matter. Warrior Code rule #14: "An honorable warrior does not need to kill other cats to win their battles, unless they are outside the warrior code or if it is necessary for self-defense." The first line might make you think that it protects outsiders from murder (unless it is necessary), it really doesn't because of the second line that goes, "unless they are outside of the warrior code". While I'm not saying the non-Clanborne cats are inferior, such are the teachings of the Clans, and ideas are hold onto fiercely for a lot of cats, especially ones from older generations. (I recall Mousefur casually saying to Firestar that he would never truly understand the warrior code or loyalty at one point.) Since Berrykit wasn't Clanborne and therefore could be seen as an impurity, the way I see it, from the way the code is structured, Russetfur and the patrol didn't break the code by not helping the kit. To each their own interpretation though. (On the slightly less gloomy side, they didn't physically intervene and kill or torture him. They just "let him be". As horrible as it was, it could very easily have been worse.)
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Post by ๐ฅFirestar๐ฅ on Aug 20, 2021 4:57:08 GMT -5
Yellowfang lying to Squirrelflight, and tyring to guilt-trip her into taking Leafpool's kits, was blatant manipulation. It made her geniuely belive she was doing the right thing, and the worst part is that they never discouraged her from lying to Brambleclaw. It ruined her life, her relationship with her kits and mate, and it almost prevented her from going to StarClan in SqH. The blatant cruelty from StarClan in that situation is obvious.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 20, 2021 5:15:26 GMT -5
Yellowfang lying to Squirrelflight, and tyring to guilt-trip her into taking Leapfool's kits, was blatant manipulation. It made her geniuely belive she was doing the right thing, and the worst part is that they never discouraged her from lying to Brambleclaw. It ruined her life, her relationship with her kits and mate, and it almost prevented her from going to StarClan in SqH. The blatant cruelty from StarClan in that situation is obvious. This. This is why StarClan should not have any say where a spirit goes when they die, because this nonsense happens. Lying to a Clan cat, basically blackmailing another, and then calling foul afterwards - and since they are the mighty, mystical StarClan, they could never be properly challenged. The excuse or explanation of "doing it for the greater good" doesn't line up here in my opinion, sorry.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Aug 20, 2021 6:37:40 GMT -5
Bramblestar not allowing his medicine cats to treat Sunrise was too much, as well as Yellowfang lying to Squirrelflight about being barren of all things.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 20, 2021 6:40:42 GMT -5
Bramblestar not allowing his medicine cats to treat Sunrise was too much, as well as Yellowfang lying to Squirrelflight about being barren of all things. Just a question... Is it true that a medicine cat can overrule their leader on such matters, but that their leader has the power to strip them of their position if necessary? If so, which voice has more power? I assume their leader, but...
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Aug 20, 2021 6:41:21 GMT -5
Russetfur and her patrol watching a literal kit suffer in a fox trap just because he wasn't Clanborn. Still makes me sick to this day Unless I'm mistaken, the warrior code does not protect outsiders, including kits. So them not helping the kit, while unjustifiable, is completely understandable in my opinion. Technically they weren't breaking the code. Warrior Code rule #12: "No warrior can neglect a kit in pain or danger, even if the kit is from a different Clan." Notice how it implies that only Clan kits matter. Warrior Code rule #14: "An honorable warrior does not need to kill other cats to win their battles, unless they are outside the warrior code or if it is necessary for self-defense." The first line might make you think that it protects outsiders from murder (unless it is necessary), it really doesn't because of the second line that goes, "unless they are outside of the warrior code". While I'm not saying the non-Clanborne cats are inferior, such are the teachings of the Clans, and ideas are hold onto fiercely for a lot of cats, especially ones from older generations. (I recall Mousefur casually saying to Firestar that he would never truly understand the warrior code or loyalty at one point.) Since Berrykit wasn't Clanborne and therefore could be seen as an impurity, the way I see it, from the way the code is structured, Russetfur and the patrol didn't break the code by not helping the kit. To each their own interpretation though. (On the slightly less gloomy side, they didn't physically intervene and kill or torture him. They just "let him be". As horrible as it was, it could very easily have been worse.) Code 12 would apply to Berrykit in this situation though, as he was a ThunderClan kit at the time of this incident.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Aug 20, 2021 6:43:50 GMT -5
- Bluestar calling Brightheart Lostface - Yellowfang lying to Squirrelflight - Russetfurโs patrol watching Berrykit suffer in the fox trap - Bramblestar not letting Leafpool treat Sunrise
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Post by Mothdapple on Aug 20, 2021 7:33:24 GMT -5
Bluestar renaming Brightpaw Lostface.
Tigerstar killing Gorsepaw just to spite Firestar.
Brokenstar killing literal children.
TNP Stoneteller. Just TNP Stoneteller.
Ashfur attempting to kill Squirrelflightโs father and โkitsโ all because she rejected him.
Breezepelt attempting to kill Jayfeather and a pregnant Poppyfrost at the moonpool.
The deaths of queens and elders in TLH.
Clear Sky disowning his brother and later his son.
Tom stealing his kits from their mother and subsequently accidentally leading to her death.
Falling Feather and Jackdawโs Cry killing each other.
Mapleshade lying to a grieving family and Clan.
Mapleshade killing Ravenwing on holy ground for the medicine cats to find and then unburying him for the bird to eat.
Mapleshade letting Frecklewish get bitten by a venomous snake for literally doing nothing wrong only for her to suffer for DAYS before dying.
Mapleshade attempting to kill a pregnant Reedshine.
STARCLAN TELLING PINESTAR TO KILL HIS ONLY SURVIVING KIT.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 20, 2021 7:43:27 GMT -5
Brokenstar killing literal children. I still feel sick after what he did. My heart goes out to all those poor kits who died long before their lives could begin. That's the making of a great villain however.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Aug 20, 2021 7:47:25 GMT -5
Bramblestar not allowing his medicine cats to treat Sunrise was too much, as well as Yellowfang lying to Squirrelflight about being barren of all things. Just a question... Is it true that a medicine cat can overrule their leader on such matters, but that their leader has the power to strip them of their position if necessary? If so, which voice has more power? I assume their leader, but... Medicine cats are above Clam rivalries, so if we want to get into technicalities, the medicine cats wouldn't have been breaking any rules by treating Sunrise, even if she wasn't a Clan cat. But even if that weren't the case, I really don't see why it should matter. Cruelty is cruelty, and morality usually overrides duty. Leafpool already lost her position once, but in this case, I doubt she would've cared if it compromised with her morals, much like what Cinderpelt had done before her.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 20, 2021 7:51:12 GMT -5
Just a question... Is it true that a medicine cat can overrule their leader on such matters, but that their leader has the power to strip them of their position if necessary? If so, which voice has more power? I assume their leader, but... Medicine cats are above Clam rivalries, so if we want to get into technicalities, the medicine cats wouldn't have been breaking any rules by treating Sunrise, even if she wasn't a Clan cat. But even if that weren't the case, I really don't see why it should matter. Cruelty is cruelty, and morality usually overrides duty. Leafpool already lost her position once, but in this case, I doubt she would've cared if it compromised with her morals, much like what Cinderpelt had done before her. Very good points though, but I feel like the Erins ignore this a lot. (For example, when Cinderpaw had treated Littlecloud and his Clanmate in secret.) I've always been curious if a Clan leader didn't want their medicine cat to treat another cat, and if their medicine cat disobeyed if they could threaten to relieve them of their duties if they went through with treating the patient. And if they did, would that be the end of it, case closed?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Aug 20, 2021 8:05:48 GMT -5
Medicine cats are above Clam rivalries, so if we want to get into technicalities, the medicine cats wouldn't have been breaking any rules by treating Sunrise, even if she wasn't a Clan cat. But even if that weren't the case, I really don't see why it should matter. Cruelty is cruelty, and morality usually overrides duty. Leafpool already lost her position once, but in this case, I doubt she would've cared if it compromised with her morals, much like what Cinderpelt had done before her. Very good points though, but I feel like the Erins ignore this a lot. (For example, when Cinderpaw had treated Littlecloud and his Clanmate in secret.) I've always been curious if a Clan leader didn't want their medicine cat to treat another cat, and if their medicine cat disobeyed if they could threaten to relieve them of their duties if they went through with treating the patient. And if they did, would that be the end of it, case closed? Under a sound reign, I'm pretty sure the leader wouldn't have minded too much under normal circumstances, but would of course be angry at first unless this were to become a common occurrence. The only reason Cinderpelt wasn't allowed to treat them were because Littlecloud and Whitethroat had a supposedly incurable illness, and Leafpool with Sunrise because of the political climate at the time.
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