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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Aug 18, 2021 16:08:13 GMT -5
I know this sounds stupid, but let's go. I think it would be interesting, given he had some complex thoughts about his power and about the morality of killing. (But it's been forever since I read PO3 so)
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Post by Featherstar on Aug 18, 2021 16:09:33 GMT -5
I know this sounds stupid, but let's go. I think it would be interesting, given he had some complex thoughts about his power and about the morality of killing. (But it's been forever since I read PO3 so) It would be weird if Lionblaze was medicine cat instead of Jayfeather.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Aug 18, 2021 16:11:32 GMT -5
I know this sounds stupid, but let's go. I think it would be interesting, given he had some complex thoughts about his power and about the morality of killing. (But it's been forever since I read PO3 so) It would be weird if Lionblaze was medicine cat instead of Jayfeather. Well, I was one of the people who wanted to see Jayfeather be a warrior instead of yeeted to the medicine den because he couldn't see, so...
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Post by Featherstar on Aug 18, 2021 16:25:58 GMT -5
It would be weird if Lionblaze was medicine cat instead of Jayfeather. Well, I was one of the people who wanted to see Jayfeather be a warrior instead of yeeted to the medicine den because he couldn't see, so... Well the problem is that Jayfeather couldn't see. He tried out being a warrior apprentice in The Sight but it didn't work.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 18, 2021 16:54:47 GMT -5
I feel like this makes him a lot more dull because now he is safely "locked away" so to speak. There's no more need to fear losing control in battle when he's no longer exposing himself to them. He'd only ever have to fight in a Hawkheart esque situation where the medicine den has been penetrated, and that never happens in Power of Three. You could rewrite it so it does happen in this version, but even then, so what? Lionblaze's main moments of intense anger come from a feeling of betrayal and his family being in danger, unlike Hawkheart he's not going to be so enraged over the herbs because it's not quite as personal to him.
Being a medicine cat would suck away what makes Lionblaze interesting, and that's that he's the paragon of a warrior but with a dark side to him that can overcome him if he's not careful. As a medicine cat...he doesn't have to be careful. It's just never going to come up.
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Post by rabbit on Aug 18, 2021 17:25:06 GMT -5
This is interesting to think about. What would happen with Cinderheart then? Would Tigerstar and Hawkfrost still haunt his dreams? It’s hard to imagine since I think Lionblaze would never get the hang of a medicine cat lifestyle, like Hollyleaf.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Aug 18, 2021 19:35:34 GMT -5
This is interesting to think about. What would happen with Cinderheart then? Would Tigerstar and Hawkfrost still haunt his dreams? It’s hard to imagine since I think Lionblaze would never get the hang of a medicine cat lifestyle, like Hollyleaf. Well, IMHO their relationship would never quite make it out of the hanger since both are too disciplined and their romance seemed a little forced to me but again this is my faint memories of PO3/OOTSI think Tigerstar and Hawkfrost might tempt Jaypaw instead (they did try in the first book). Definitely would not work as a grown cat, but as a kit or young apprentice I can see it happening.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Aug 18, 2021 22:00:57 GMT -5
I feel like this makes him a lot more dull because now he is safely "locked away" so to speak. There's no more need to fear losing control in battle when he's no longer exposing himself to them. He'd only ever have to fight in a Hawkheart esque situation where the medicine den has been penetrated, and that never happens in Power of Three. You could rewrite it so it does happen in this version, but even then, so what? Lionblaze's main moments of intense anger come from a feeling of betrayal and his family being in danger, unlike Hawkheart he's not going to be so enraged over the herbs because it's not quite as personal to him. Being a medicine cat would suck away what makes Lionblaze interesting, and that's that he's the paragon of a warrior but with a dark side to him that can overcome him if he's not careful. As a medicine cat...he doesn't have to be careful. It's just never going to come up. Not really. I don't think that Lionblaze's problems would just automatically go away if he became a medicine cat. I just think it might work. Call me crazy. Did Lionblaze ever get help/closure/healing in the series? Also while Lionblaze is a gifted fighter, his power is to be invincible, which can have some MC applications - (like being an on site medic or getting dangerous herbs) Lionblaze would still get angry as a medicine cat. I don't thnk it would never come up.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Aug 18, 2021 22:06:56 GMT -5
Well, I was one of the people who wanted to see Jayfeather be a warrior instead of yeeted to the medicine den because he couldn't see, so... Well the problem is that Jayfeather couldn't see. He tried out being a warrior apprentice in The Sight but it didn't work. I actually think he had some potential, most of his failinsg were from being a brat to Brightheart, not being able to see. He fell into the lake not because he was blind, as we can see Jayfeather is skilled at making his way because when he's not flustered he's careful and alert enough to compensate with his brain and his other senses. He gets bested by Owlpaw but it's shown that he's able to compensate by working as a team with Lionpaw, as Brightheart and Cloudtail did. Yes, Brightheart does of an eye, but she does have to rely on her other senses.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 18, 2021 23:37:18 GMT -5
I feel like this makes him a lot more dull because now he is safely "locked away" so to speak. There's no more need to fear losing control in battle when he's no longer exposing himself to them. He'd only ever have to fight in a Hawkheart esque situation where the medicine den has been penetrated, and that never happens in Power of Three. You could rewrite it so it does happen in this version, but even then, so what? Lionblaze's main moments of intense anger come from a feeling of betrayal and his family being in danger, unlike Hawkheart he's not going to be so enraged over the herbs because it's not quite as personal to him. Being a medicine cat would suck away what makes Lionblaze interesting, and that's that he's the paragon of a warrior but with a dark side to him that can overcome him if he's not careful. As a medicine cat...he doesn't have to be careful. It's just never going to come up. Not really. I don't think that Lionblaze's problems would just automatically go away if he became a medicine cat. I just think it might work. Call me crazy. Did Lionblaze ever get help/closure/healing in the series? Also while Lionblaze is a gifted fighter, his power is to be invincible, which can have some MC applications - (like being an on site medic or getting dangerous herbs) Lionblaze would still get angry as a medicine cat. I don't thnk it would never come up. They wouldn't go away, but what exactly is he going to be doing as a medicine cat? The conflict is interesting because as a warrior, he's always on a knife's edge where just a little too far could push him over that edge. As a medicine cat, there's simply no opportunity for that kind of tense dynamic where he's an inch away from killing someone except in like a camp invasion scenario, at which point the aggression is so over the top from the enemy that him being afraid of going too far seems a little silly. As far as Lionblaze, yeah, he did get closure around the point that he refused to kill Tigerstar and when he spoke to Heathertail and proved to himself that he's not just some out of control beast. You're right, Lionblaze could use his powers as a medicine cat, but then what would be the point? It wouldn't be interesting. This is the exact same problem that Lionblaze has in OOTS where his powers don't do anything plot relevant, but magnified to a far greater extent because at least in OOTS, it was part of the Cinderheart drama. With medicine cat Lionblaze, there simply is no drama. He just...does his job with less risks. It's practical, but not very exciting or interesting to read about. Besides, I don't think it'd even be that useful. Herbs aren't really found in places dangerous enough for his power to be relevant and as far as being a field medic goes, I have never seen a medicine cat ever be targeted mid-battle (rather sensibly, as an enemy warrior would rather use their time taking out combatants from the fight rather than cheap shotting a non-combatant) so it wouldn't really matter there either. Lionblaze can get angry as a medicine cat, but with him so far removed from the action, it's going to be far less impactful. Now he's so far removed from any possible victims of his rage that the tension is totally gone.
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