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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 17, 2021 13:57:49 GMT -5
You can support female survivors while also not putting down male survivors too. You can provide care and support for every victim of abuse because abuse does not see gender or color or background. Anyone can be abused for any reason and belittling one group will never improve another group. When you disregard and neglect victims, you yourself become an abuser. You yourself become the very thing you claim to be against.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 17, 2021 13:58:19 GMT -5
Such measures by society do not need to be achieved for the "greater good." Isolating male victims and telling them they should receive less help for being abused won't help us achieve equality. It should happen and if it does, then society is simply being sexist again, but this time towards male victims of abuse. There is no need to push down one group to help another one rise up. As for why I even posted it in the first place, I copied and pasted this from above: "As for my reasoning behind me posting it, I always strive to be as progressive as I can be. With that being said I am often conflicted on what this real definition implies, leading to me posting statements that I genuinely regret later. If apologizing to men makes me more of an anti-woman person (under the claims of some), then so be it." Well, again, we'll see what happens. If society chooses an eye for an eye, then so be it. If not, then cool. Then so we should just accept that men are being told their abuse doesn't matter?
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 13:59:53 GMT -5
Nevertheless, I obviously don't make the decisions. Whether society progresses towards immediate equality or if it tries to get an eye for an eye, again, whatever happens happens. *Shrugs* I acknowledge the flaws in my perspective, and I don't even support said opinions on a moral standpoint, but if such ends have to meet to achieve "the greater good", then perhaps that's what must happen. But like I said, that's not up to me. I'm just along for the ride like everyone else. You’re promoting the patriarchy by believing that male survivors should not be given the same support and care as any other survivor. You’re expecting them to shrug it off, “they’re a man, their abuse will never matter, they can’t suffer because they’re men, they should shut up and be a man about their abuse because they don’t truly suffer, they’re not a woman.” And you wonder why some men are so awful at talking about their experiences, because people like you will never believe that they truly suffer. Why would they ever talk about it? Nobody will believe them, a nasty nasty man who can’t possibly ever feel abuse. Your perspective is cruel and so unbelievably hypocritical, and you are a part of the very problem that you claim to be against. Perhaps you are right. No, no, you are indeed very right. I always strive to be as progressive as I can be, but of course this just leads to me buying into the more extreme ideas without even considering the malicious nature behind them, or that perhaps they will just rubberband back to the previous issue. Your statement above has honestly just shed a new perspective on top of my own, and for that I am grateful. I will do my best to learn from this and not repeat what I said above again. I do admit I'm a hypocrite. I make statements like these and delete them shortly thereafter. I know that they are wrong, and it's not because I'm looking for a reaction out of people, it's just due to... internal frustrations of mine of what I should truly stand for. I think I'm finally beginning to see that now.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 14:00:11 GMT -5
I feel like my thread might get locked soon... Sorry about that...
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 14:01:41 GMT -5
You can support female survivors while also not putting down male survivors too. You can provide care and support for every victim of abuse because abuse does not see gender or color or background. Anyone can be abused for any reason and belittling one group will never improve another group. When you disregard and neglect victims, you yourself become an abuser. You yourself become the very thing you claim to be against. Yes... Yes, I do see that now. Thank you for taking off these tinted glasses, if you catch my drift. Fear paralyzed me into making these blanket terms and... Yes, I'm done promoting such speech now, I'm done with it. It's wrong, like I said.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 14:02:34 GMT -5
As for why I even posted it in the first place, I copied and pasted this from above: "As for my reasoning behind me posting it, I always strive to be as progressive as I can be. With that being said I am often conflicted on what this real definition implies, leading to me posting statements that I genuinely regret later. If apologizing to men makes me more of an anti-woman person (under the claims of some), then so be it." Well, again, we'll see what happens. If society chooses an eye for an eye, then so be it. If not, then cool. Then so we should just accept that men are being told their abuse doesn't matter? No, of course not. We should always fight for what we believe in. But... some things are just beyond our control, I fear.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 17, 2021 14:05:45 GMT -5
Then so we should just accept that men are being told their abuse doesn't matter? No, of course not. We should always fight for what we believe in. But... some things are just beyond our control, I fear. Misogyny and misogynistic media and societies are also beyond our control, but I don't see you saying that we should accept that, either.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 14:07:56 GMT -5
No, of course not. We should always fight for what we believe in. But... some things are just beyond our control, I fear. Misogyny and misogynistic media and societies are also beyond our control, but I don't see you saying that we should accept that, either. Very true, very true... Again thank you, thank all of you, for showing me the error of my ways. I always knew it was wrong, but I guess I just needed an extra nudge was all...
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 17, 2021 14:07:58 GMT -5
I’m not saying either that you are some horrible person for having an opinion and perspective. I just don’t want anyone seeing things like that and thinking “I’m cruel and wrong for wanting to talk about my pain, because I am in a group that I could not control me being into.” That was what started issues like this in the first place. I think that the genderbending argument is a very valid one that pertains to trans topics and should be discussed best by those that are genuinely affected by it. But abuse is a universal facet of pain and suffering that every human could experience. I want to help and support women as much as you do! I do! But I also want male victims to not feel as if they cannot share their pain with people who inevitably do understand them.
I myself am sorry if I came off aggressively and accusatory. I was genuinely upset seeing that statement.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 17, 2021 14:14:37 GMT -5
I also apologize to the thread poster. I think that this topic should be addressed if people are affected. I know many people do not have an issue with genderbending, while others do. But it’s not my place to lead that kind of discussion. My only opinion on the video itself is that Warriors, being a very equal society compared to most, switching the genders of the characters would not change the issues that Bramble and Squirrel had.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 14:14:38 GMT -5
I’m not saying either that you are some horrible person for having an opinion and perspective. I just don’t want anyone seeing things like that and thinking “I’m cruel and wrong for wanting to talk about my pain, because I am in a group that I could not control me being into.” That was what started issues like this in the first place. I think that the genderbending argument is a very valid one that pertains to trans topics and should be discussed best by those that are genuinely affected by it. But abuse is a universal facet of pain and suffering that every human could experience. I want to help and support women as much as you do! I do! But I also want male victims to not feel as if they cannot share their pain with people who inevitably do understand them. I myself am sorry if I came off aggressively and accusatory. I was genuinely upset seeing that statement. Agreed, and honestly I shouldn't have made a big statement out of it since I wasn't actually offended by it personally (but I do still see it as being problematic of course). It just grinds my gears when people in a certain group refuse to see the perspective of other people (who are within their same group!) because they don't share their perspective. Regardless if it has anything to do with me or not stuff like that always irritates me. But again, the video is old and niche and probably largely irrelevant these days. I know, and I apologize for releasing such a statement. I just see all the horrible stuff going on in the world, influenced if not controlled by groups like the Patriarchy, and I strive for my thinking to be the opposite of that. Sometimes though I stray from the deep end (I'm incredibly progressive as a person, I do admit) and into the shark-infested waters that eventually loop back around. But again, no more. So... what now?
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 14:15:14 GMT -5
I also apologize to the thread poster. I think that this topic should be addressed if people are affected. I know many people do not have an issue with genderbending, while others do. But it’s not my place to lead that kind of discussion. My only opinion on the video itself is that Warriors, being a very equal society compared to most, switching the genders of the characters would not change the issues that Bramble and Squirrel had. I second this.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 17, 2021 14:17:46 GMT -5
I’m not saying either that you are some horrible person for having an opinion and perspective. I just don’t want anyone seeing things like that and thinking “I’m cruel and wrong for wanting to talk about my pain, because I am in a group that I could not control me being into.” That was what started issues like this in the first place. I think that the genderbending argument is a very valid one that pertains to trans topics and should be discussed best by those that are genuinely affected by it. But abuse is a universal facet of pain and suffering that every human could experience. I want to help and support women as much as you do! I do! But I also want male victims to not feel as if they cannot share their pain with people who inevitably do understand them. I myself am sorry if I came off aggressively and accusatory. I was genuinely upset seeing that statement. Agreed, and honestly I shouldn't have made a big statement out of it since I wasn't actually offended by it personally (but I do still see it as being problematic of course). It just grinds my gears when people in a certain group refuse to see the perspective of other people (who are within their same group!) because they don't share their perspective. Regardless if it has anything to do with me or not stuff like that always irritates me. But again, the video is old and niche and probably largely irrelevant these days. I know, and I apologize for releasing such a statement. I just see all the horrible stuff going on in the world, influenced if not controlled by groups like the Patriarchy, and I strive for my thinking to be the opposite of that. Sometimes though I stray from the deep end (I'm incredibly progressive as a person, I do admit) and into the shark-infested waters that eventually loop back around. But again, no more. So... what now? It’s all good. You’re not the first or last person to have thoughts like these and in many cases, you do bring up great points. I took a shower so I calmed down alot, it might be best to just trail back to the original subject. Or move things to dms, but I don’t really have much more to say. I’m good if you are.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 17, 2021 14:18:28 GMT -5
I also apologize to the thread poster. I think that this topic should be addressed if people are affected. I know many people do not have an issue with genderbending, while others do. But it’s not my place to lead that kind of discussion. My only opinion on the video itself is that Warriors, being a very equal society compared to most, switching the genders of the characters would not change the issues that Bramble and Squirrel had. It's fine, honestly. Wouldn't be the first time a thread I posted on previously became a discussion about abuse. Although the debate on the Dovewing x Foxleap thread made by Maplefrost was rather short compared to this. Remember that one?
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 14:19:49 GMT -5
Agreed, and honestly I shouldn't have made a big statement out of it since I wasn't actually offended by it personally (but I do still see it as being problematic of course). It just grinds my gears when people in a certain group refuse to see the perspective of other people (who are within their same group!) because they don't share their perspective. Regardless if it has anything to do with me or not stuff like that always irritates me. But again, the video is old and niche and probably largely irrelevant these days. I know, and I apologize for releasing such a statement. I just see all the horrible stuff going on in the world, influenced if not controlled by groups like the Patriarchy, and I strive for my thinking to be the opposite of that. Sometimes though I stray from the deep end (I'm incredibly progressive as a person, I do admit) and into the shark-infested waters that eventually loop back around. But again, no more. So... what now? It’s all good. You’re not the first or last person to have thoughts like these and in many cases, you do bring up great points. I took a shower so I calmed down alot, it might be best to just trail back to the original subject. Or move things to dms, but I don’t really have much more to say. I’m good if you are. Yeah, I'm good. I will admit one other strength of the video though (and the final one) and that's the animation, it's honestly pretty decent imo. Just asking out of the blue, do you know if warriors-related YouTube videos are still present these days, or have they all fallen into obscurity, if they are being made at all? Book breakdowns, speedpaints, etc.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 17, 2021 14:20:37 GMT -5
I also apologize to the thread poster. I think that this topic should be addressed if people are affected. I know many people do not have an issue with genderbending, while others do. But it’s not my place to lead that kind of discussion. My only opinion on the video itself is that Warriors, being a very equal society compared to most, switching the genders of the characters would not change the issues that Bramble and Squirrel had. It's fine, honestly. Wouldn't be the first time a thread I posted on previously became a discussion about abuse. Although the debate on the Dovewing x Foxleap thread made by Maplefrost was rather short compared to this. Remember that one? Ohhhh yeah I think I do remember that one. It’s such a sensitive subject, so avoiding disputes can be hard. But I still do apologize. I’ll take it to dms next time, and work on my impulsiveness to respond.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 17, 2021 14:21:44 GMT -5
It’s all good. You’re not the first or last person to have thoughts like these and in many cases, you do bring up great points. I took a shower so I calmed down alot, it might be best to just trail back to the original subject. Or move things to dms, but I don’t really have much more to say. I’m good if you are. Yeah, I'm good. I will admit one other strength of the video though (and the final one) and that's the animation, it's honestly pretty decent imo. Just asking out of the blue, do you know if warriors-related YouTube videos are still present these days, or have they all fallen into obscurity, if they are being made at all? Book breakdowns, speedpaints, etc. There are plenty of amvs, pmvs and maps still going on, but speedpaints are harder to come by. I think alot of it is more analysis videos and more headcanon based videos, if that makes sense?
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 14:24:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm good. I will admit one other strength of the video though (and the final one) and that's the animation, it's honestly pretty decent imo. Just asking out of the blue, do you know if warriors-related YouTube videos are still present these days, or have they all fallen into obscurity, if they are being made at all? Book breakdowns, speedpaints, etc. There are plenty of amvs, pmvs and maps still going on, but speedpaints are harder to come by. I think alot of it is more analysis videos and more headcanon based videos, if that makes sense? Yeah, that makes sense, and thank you for the info. I hope to catch up on the series before it truly dies, along with its fandom. Hopefully 2 and a bit years will be enough time... (P.S. I try to refrain from using the term "maps" these days since an incredibly distasteful group have taken it under its wing since, but whether you continue to use it in this context is of course entirely up to you. Regardless, perhaps an alternate term should be created at some point, if not a replacement one?)
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 17, 2021 14:27:10 GMT -5
It's fine, honestly. Wouldn't be the first time a thread I posted on previously became a discussion about abuse. Although the debate on the Dovewing x Foxleap thread made by Maplefrost was rather short compared to this. Remember that one? Ohhhh yeah I think I do remember that one. It’s such a sensitive subject, so avoiding disputes can be hard. But I still do apologize. I’ll take it to dms next time, and work on my impulsiveness to respond. No worries. I'm very impulsive as well and sometimes just go off instead of taking a step back (or a shower like in your case). Once again, you don't have to be sorry. Let's only hope this thread stays open now.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 17, 2021 14:36:08 GMT -5
There are plenty of amvs, pmvs and maps still going on, but speedpaints are harder to come by. I think alot of it is more analysis videos and more headcanon based videos, if that makes sense? Yeah, that makes sense, and thank you for the info. I hope to catch up on the series before it truly dies, along with its fandom. Hopefully 2 and a bit years will be enough time... (P.S. I try to refrain from using the term "maps" these days since an incredibly distasteful group have taken it under its wing since, but whether you continue to use it in this context is of course entirely up to you. Regardless, perhaps an alternate term should be created at some point, if not a replacement one?) I'm pretty sure the term M.A.P or Map/map (short for Multiple Animators Project) was there before the you know what decided to rebrand themselves with the exact same abbreviation. So if anything they need to get back to their original title and then to prison.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 17, 2021 14:37:14 GMT -5
There are plenty of amvs, pmvs and maps still going on, but speedpaints are harder to come by. I think alot of it is more analysis videos and more headcanon based videos, if that makes sense? Yeah, that makes sense, and thank you for the info. I hope to catch up on the series before it truly dies, along with its fandom. Hopefully 2 and a bit years will be enough time... (P.S. I try to refrain from using the term "maps" these days since an incredibly distasteful group have taken it under its wing since, but whether you continue to use it in this context is of course entirely up to you. Regardless, perhaps an alternate term should be created at some point, if not a replacement one?) Oh nah, those disgusting people can rip MAPS from my cold, dead hands.We had it first. It was always Multiple Animator Project first, and I give them no satisfaction in them trying to take that away from us, you know? We shouldn’r have to be forced to change our acronym for people who deserve nothing but the worst.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 17, 2021 14:39:36 GMT -5
Yeah, that makes sense, and thank you for the info. I hope to catch up on the series before it truly dies, along with its fandom. Hopefully 2 and a bit years will be enough time... (P.S. I try to refrain from using the term "maps" these days since an incredibly distasteful group have taken it under its wing since, but whether you continue to use it in this context is of course entirely up to you. Regardless, perhaps an alternate term should be created at some point, if not a replacement one?) Oh nah, those disgusting people can rip MAPS from my cold, dead hands.We had it first. It was always Multiple Animator Project first, and I give them no satisfaction in them trying to take that away from us, you know? We shouldn’r have to be forced to change our acronym for people who deserve nothing but the worst. Preach it! This term belongs to the art community and not to those monsters.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 17, 2021 14:41:22 GMT -5
Besides, you should see how other acronyms have multiple meanings lol. I’d name some but who knows if that would be allowed lol.
Know what we need? More TBC MAPS.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 14:44:36 GMT -5
No arguments coming from me! Fudge 'em! Still I don't want to ever be caught out saying "I watch MAPS" and being accused of the absolute, absolute worst, so I'll probably just refer to them as "MCP's" or "Multiple Creator Projects" from now on, but that's my choice. It's more out of self-protection than anything. For instance, I never use my actual Google account whenever I watch YouTube in public (I use a spare) because I watch a lot of progressive political commentary in my spare time, and the YouTube algorithm goes, "Oh, politics? Let's send both sides, both progressive and alt-right video recommendations!" After being accused a couple of times by complete strangers of being a fascist because there was, say, a pro Trump video in my recommended (again, because of the politics tag), I've since been doing this. Tie in other life experiences, and I'm kind of tired of being accused of something that I am not, and in fact am actively against. lol. But, hey, all the power to you all!
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 17, 2021 14:46:09 GMT -5
Besides, you should see how other acronyms have multiple meanings lol. I’d name some but who knows if that would be allowed lol. Know what we need? More TBC MAPS. Yeah, true. A game I play uses a point system called "Challenge Points". Guess what also is an acronym for "CP"? Something quite relevant to the MAP topic, actually. o_o So yes, diversity in acronyms are a thing. lol
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 17, 2021 19:13:30 GMT -5
Glad we could keep this civil without the mods having to lock the thread. NJ guys.
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Post by rabbit on Aug 17, 2021 19:54:03 GMT -5
I remember watching this Pmv a while ago. I thought it was really neat. The art is great, easy to follow, and its look on Squirrelflight’s character is interesting. I hope the artist keeps it up and makes more because what they make next is sure to be an A+ piece. As for the gender stuff, I honestly have no opinion on that.
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