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Post by Aqua on Aug 7, 2021 16:05:39 GMT -5
Do you think she's well written? Share your opinion!
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 7, 2021 16:50:24 GMT -5
Not really. She's not horribly inconsistent or anything like that, but she's really not a character, at least in the books I've read. She was alright in Lost Stars, but in TSiT and VoS she was nothing. She's a ThunderClan background cat who happened to be given a POV.
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Post by cygna on Aug 7, 2021 17:59:15 GMT -5
I liked her but... Nope!
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Post by roseberry on Aug 7, 2021 18:00:00 GMT -5
I personally think she could of been written better
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Post by Chicken on Aug 7, 2021 18:00:52 GMT -5
Not really, but I think in a different arc or if she had more of a connection with Bramblestar or Ashfur, it might be better, I still like her as a cat though.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 7, 2021 18:06:41 GMT -5
i don't think so. i think she's the worst protag in TBC, and the worst written. she starts off on the wrong foot, and from there it gets worse and worse (in my opinion).
her obsession over stemleaf turns into an out of no where confession and plot with rootspring later in the series. im STILL not over how out of nowhere it was, and i hate bristle x root so much because of it. no amount of "healthy development" from this point onward will ever change that it had no foundation to exist in the first place. the narrative pushing this angle for bristlefrost makes me hate her more.
her passiveness on what's going on make her a nonexistant character outside of the love subplot with rootspring. such as previous complaints of her being a camera into thunderclan and narratting things about squirrelflight instead of her actually inputing anything meaningful as her own person in the story. all she does is give us random thoughts like "squirrelflight must be so sad" and stuff...like if we wanted to know more about squirrelflight, then why not give the thunderclan POV to her again then? bristlefrost has no impact whatsoever. her being chosen by imposter bramble also makes no sense. if alder and spark were born right before TBC, they could have taken bristlefrost's role and actually have a meaningful place in the story, being squirrel and bramble's kits.
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Post by Aqua on Aug 7, 2021 18:23:01 GMT -5
i don't think so. i think she's the worst protag in TBC, and the worst written. she starts off on the wrong foot, and from there it gets worse and worse (in my opinion). her obsession over stemleaf turns into an out of no where confession and plot with rootspring later in the series. im STILL not over how out of nowhere it was, and i hate bristle x root so much because of it. no amount of "healthy development" from this point onward will ever change that it had no foundation to exist in the first place. the narrative pushing this angle for bristlefrost makes me hate her more. her passiveness on what's going on make her a nonexistant character outside of the love subplot with rootspring. such as previous complaints of her being a camera into thunderclan and narratting things about squirrelflight instead of her actually inputing anything meaningful as her own person in the story. all she does is give us random thoughts like "squirrelflight must be so sad" and stuff...like if we wanted to know more about squirrelflight, then why not give the thunderclan POV to her again then? bristlefrost has no impact whatsoever. her being chosen by imposter bramble also makes no sense. if alder and spark were born right before TBC, they could have taken bristlefrost's role and actually have a meaningful place in the story, being squirrel and bramble's kits. I kind of agree with this. Squirrelflight feels more important to the story than Bristlefrost. Shadowsight and Rootspring both seem to play a big role, but from what I remember, Bristlefrost doesn't make a huge impact on the story. I know there's more to her character than romance, but that's how it feels, and they focus on that on her a LOT more than other traits. She was great at the beginning with Stemleaf, and had more character to her imo, but after she lost interest, I felt she became bland afterwards, and stopped reading the books after Shadowsight acted so weird and got tired of Squirrelflight.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 7, 2021 18:28:15 GMT -5
I'm kind of mixed on this question- there are parts of Bristlefrost's story and character that I feel are well-written and other parts I think they are not. I like her personality but sometimes her POV was really boring to read. So is she well-written? Maybe a little bit.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Aug 7, 2021 19:04:55 GMT -5
She never really develops or evolves in TBC, and it's sad because I used to really like her. I wish they'd do something more with her character.
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Post by Rainsplash on Aug 7, 2021 19:28:47 GMT -5
She was okay in the first few at least.
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Post by Hollyfall on Aug 7, 2021 19:37:19 GMT -5
I don't think she's the best, but she's not a terribly written character either. I actually really liked her in the first half of the arc, seeing her being unintentionally manipulated by Ashfur into being his spy and using her devotion to ThunderClan against her. Seeing her struggle between knowing he's using her as well as acting as a double agent for the rebels. Her loyalty to ThunderClan is admirable, and as said above, that loyalty and her young age are used against her later on when Ashfur realizes he can use her as a lackey.
I don't hate her in the second half of the arc, but she feels rather...stagnant? static? As in she doesn't develop terribly much in comparison to the first three books from what I can recall. But aside from that, she's still been a consistent character across the arc so far, and I still enjoy her.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 7, 2021 21:11:21 GMT -5
Nope. She's just kind of bland and there as a window most of the time. I don't think she's super consistent either
I'd say Rootspring and Shadowsight are much better written characters and consistent, evolving (Rootspring struggling with his powers and ghosts to eventually doing what he needs to in order to help the clans. Shadowsight's ongoing struggle with his powers and his struggle with morality when it comes to Ashfur and his guilt around the whole situation)
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 7, 2021 22:28:01 GMT -5
I really like her honestly. Only book thus far which has had any negative thoughts from me on her is Place of No Stars as it seems she did kind of spin out there a little but honestly in all the rest, she's pretty good. One of the better romance plots out of Warriors since a long time. I mean, what exactly is her competition here? Leafcrow is far worse in terms of the sin of lack of buildup and does everything else worse, Lioncinder had soap opera tier drama, Twigfin is a mess, and so on.
Bristlefrost isn't nothing without her romantic plot either, I like the way that she is just kind of a superstar warrior but not some legend or anything like that. It's a fresh air of competence when there hasn't been a single protagonist like that, not really. The closest is Ivypool, but Ivypool had to train in the Dark Forest to do that, while Bristlefrost did it through hard work it seems.
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Post by Mothdapple on Aug 7, 2021 23:04:47 GMT -5
Mixed feelings.
I feel like her character is actually consistent. She was young and thought she was just following her leader, but she ended up being stuck on the side of Bramblestar’s impostor. The way she was manipulated by him was interesting, and how she even acted as a spy for him a bit, snitching on cats such as Lionblaze and Spotfur for crossing the WindClan border. People say her romantic side came out of nowhere, but she’s ALWAYS been a romantic. She was pining so hard for Stemleaf in Lost Stars that she made sure she passed her assessment early (I liked how she failed the first time, we haven’t really seen that before) just so they can become mates. She was heartbroken. She didn’t return feelings for Rootspring at first, but she eventually fell for him as well. Although that felt sudden, she probably had some internal thoughts that we didn’t see that we should’ve seen. The rest of their romance is well-written, however. I also like her eventual relationship with her aunt Spotfur.
However, her reactions to deaths such as Rosepetal’s and Stemleaf’s don’t add up. You’d think she’d be more heartbroken than she was after her mentor and former crush died. My only gripe with her character is that she doesn’t really change much, minus trusting then not trusting the impostor. Consistency can be a bad thing too. While Rootspring and Shadowsight have changed a lot throughout the arc, Bristlefrost only had little changes/development.
She’s definitely the worst written out of the TBC protagonists but by no means is she HORRIBLY written either.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Aug 8, 2021 5:09:13 GMT -5
I like Bristlefrost and I think she's a well-written character. It's the fact that people either don't like her romance, her lack of powers, or the fact that she's not bursting with colorful personality.
I like how competent and confident she is (a lot of characters in Warriors just worry, worry, worry), but she's not a celebrity, just a good ordinary warrior, how she turned her back on the imposter once she realized the truth, and her how feelings for Rootspring changed over time. She was a breath of fresh air to read about because although I like both Shadowsight and Rootspring, they had many similarities:
1. Both have a rocky relationship with their father that gets better 2. Both have a special power they're uncertain of (Root's ghost powers, Shadow's StarClan powers) 3. Both worry a lot and have similar personalities, except Rootspring is slightly more short-tempered 4. Both have sisters they feel are more competent than they are
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 8, 2021 5:32:04 GMT -5
I like Bristlefrost and I think she's a well-written character. It's the fact that people either don't like her romance, her lack of powers, or the fact that she's not bursting with colorful personality. I mean, all those things are true about Firestar as well (his good romance wasn't until late in the arc), and he's the most well-loved character in the whole franchise. People's problems with Bristlefrost aren't that petty. People don't like that she's a static character, which is actually a pretty major problem for a protagonist. It damages a reader's ability to relate to the character and makes the story feel pointless. Even if a character is very enjoyable or has an interesting plot; if she's not dynamic, readers generally aren't going to be thrilled with her.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Aug 8, 2021 6:08:08 GMT -5
I like Bristlefrost and I think she's a well-written character. It's the fact that people either don't like her romance, her lack of powers, or the fact that she's not bursting with colorful personality. I mean, all those things are true about Firestar as well (his good romance wasn't until late in the arc), and he's the most well-loved character in the whole franchise. People's problems with Bristlefrost aren't that petty. People don't like that she's a static character, which is actually a pretty major problem for a protagonist. It damages a reader's ability to relate to the character and makes the story feel pointless. Even if a character is very enjoyable or has an interesting plot; if she's not dynamic, readers generally aren't going to be thrilled with her. True, but what's static character for her? (And I'll be making a lot of comparisons to Rootspring and Shadowsight because that's my reason for being confused why people say she's so much worse and blander than them) 1. Loyalty to Clan and code. She's a very dedicated warrior and eager to be useful. This made her naïve and rather blind to others, especially to the false Bramblestar, but she changed once she realized how uncaring and cruel the imposter was and wanted to make up for her mistake. (This is not much different than Shadowsight wanting to make up for trusting Ashfur and getting Bramblestar killed, except Shadowsight's storyline more revolves around this redemption. This is also somewhat similar to Rootspring wanting to try extra hard to save Bramblestar's spirit because he feels responsible as he was the first cat to encounter it) 2. Sensitivity. Bristlefrost has always been a bit of a hopeless romantic, first with Stemleaf. She was awkward around Stemleaf and resentful of Spotfur, but after seeing Spotfur's bravery, she matured enough to move on become friends with both of them, even though it must have been rather difficult at first (I imagine it'll be painful to befriend a crush who rejected you and his love!) (This is somewhat similar to Rootspring eventually becoming friends with Turtlecrawl and Kitescratch even though they were bullies at first; both protags were hurt by these characters then moved on) 3. Romance with Rootspring. Bristlefrost first viewed Rootspring as a pesky apprentice, a little cat not to be taken seriously, often being annoyed or embarrassed by him. But as he grew, she did as well and seemed to open her heart and gave him a chance, and it was then that she saw he was a kind, caring, loyal, brave, and thoughtful cat. When she was once aloof and lofty towards him, she is now loving, sweet, and devoted to him because she stopped being more of a uptight warrior and started seeing Rootspring as a great warrior. (Similar to Rootspring's own love for her, except his was a crush that developed into a true love) 4. Eagerness. Like Rootspring and Shadowsight, Bristlefrost is always jumping at the chance to help her Clan, and her loyalty is extra strong because even though her Clan is falling apart, she's sticking by it (unless that changes in ALiTM) and being helpful to Squirrelflight. She sees her Clan as family and would do anything for it, and this is only marred by the fact that she's in love with Rootspring. In conclusion, I just want to know why Bristlefrost is said to be duller than Rootspring and Shadowsight, when imo, she's the best-written. I think all three protagonists are a little similar to each other. What makes Bristlefrost more of a static character than Rootspring or Shadowsight?
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 8, 2021 7:21:52 GMT -5
Honestly, she’s the best written of the TBC protagonists for me personally simply because she’s the most consistent and the most relatable for me. I actually prefer a protagonist with no powers or relation to a prophecy, it’s refreshing to me to have that again. Bristlefrost reminds me alot of Firestar as well, just as Twigbranch did before her, and that might be why I love both of them alot. It’s a solid, heroic yet flawed protagonist who does what she believes is best and who has to make difficult choices at a young age. With Bristlefrost though, no prophecy or power fuels her. All her accomplishments and actions are driven by her and herself alone. Destiny and Fate don’t play that part for her. She makes her own path as a regular Warrior, and I really like that. Honestly, I think she’s only “boring” because she’s stuck with two other protags who have really over the top powers and scenes and dreams. I just get kind of tired of cats with magical powers.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 8, 2021 7:33:56 GMT -5
I mean, all those things are true about Firestar as well (his good romance wasn't until late in the arc), and he's the most well-loved character in the whole franchise. People's problems with Bristlefrost aren't that petty. People don't like that she's a static character, which is actually a pretty major problem for a protagonist. It damages a reader's ability to relate to the character and makes the story feel pointless. Even if a character is very enjoyable or has an interesting plot; if she's not dynamic, readers generally aren't going to be thrilled with her. True, but what's static character for her? (And I'll be making a lot of comparisons to Rootspring and Shadowsight because that's my reason for being confused why people say she's so much worse and blander than them) 1. Loyalty to Clan and code. She's a very dedicated warrior and eager to be useful. This made her naïve and rather blind to others, especially to the false Bramblestar, but she changed once she realized how uncaring and cruel the imposter was and wanted to make up for her mistake. (This is not much different than Shadowsight wanting to make up for trusting Ashfur and getting Bramblestar killed, except Shadowsight's storyline more revolves around this redemption. This is also somewhat similar to Rootspring wanting to try extra hard to save Bramblestar's spirit because he feels responsible as he was the first cat to encounter it) 2. Sensitivity. Bristlefrost has always been a bit of a hopeless romantic, first with Stemleaf. She was awkward around Stemleaf and resentful of Spotfur, but after seeing Spotfur's bravery, she matured enough to move on become friends with both of them, even though it must have been rather difficult at first (I imagine it'll be painful to befriend a crush who rejected you and his love!) (This is somewhat similar to Rootspring eventually becoming friends with Turtlecrawl and Kitescratch even though they were bullies at first; both protags were hurt by these characters then moved on) 3. Romance with Rootspring. Bristlefrost first viewed Rootspring as a pesky apprentice, a little cat not to be taken seriously, often being annoyed or embarrassed by him. But as he grew, she did as well and seemed to open her heart and gave him a chance, and it was then that she saw he was a kind, caring, loyal, brave, and thoughtful cat. When she was once aloof and lofty towards him, she is now loving, sweet, and devoted to him because she stopped being more of a uptight warrior and started seeing Rootspring as a great warrior. (Similar to Rootspring's own love for her, except his was a crush that developed into a true love) 4. Eagerness. Like Rootspring and Shadowsight, Bristlefrost is always jumping at the chance to help her Clan, and her loyalty is extra strong because even though her Clan is falling apart, she's sticking by it (unless that changes in ALiTM) and being helpful to Squirrelflight. She sees her Clan as family and would do anything for it, and this is only marred by the fact that she's in love with Rootspring. In conclusion, I just want to know why Bristlefrost is said to be duller than Rootspring and Shadowsight, when imo, she's the best-written. I think all three protagonists are a little similar to each other. What makes Bristlefrost more of a static character than Rootspring or Shadowsight? Most of the things mentioned here are personality traits, not character arcs. The only one that's really an arc is the romance, which was done well in Lost Stars, but was nonexistent in TSiT and VoS (I haven't read Books 4 and 5). A personality trait (such as undying loyalty or eagerness) doesn't make a character dynamic. For a character to be dynamic, they have to learn something about themselves and change their worldview in some way. Bristlefrost didn't change her worldview in response to the Impostor's evilness, simply her allegiance. Changing your mind in response to new information doesn't equate to a character arc. Bristlefrost was always a kind, loyal, and good cat. She simply believed the Impostor was too; and when it was revealed he wasn't, she promptly changed sides. Compare that to Rootspring, who starts to trust Bramblestar as a result of self-reflection, realizing his powers aren't something to be ashamed of. Or to Shadowsight, who's working to right a mistake caused by a character flaw, and has all the emotional turmoil to go with it. Yes, Bristlefrost technically made a mistake in supporting the Impostor, but that wasn't due to a character flaw; it was due to simply not having information. She continues to be supportive of Squirrelflight and rarely questions authority, so I don't see the growth here. I agree with you on the romances. Bristle's romance arc in Lost Stars is well-done. Though from what I read in VoS, I didn't see the beginning of growth in Bristlefrost. I saw a very rushed confession that came right tf out of nowhere. I've been told it's better in the later books, and maybe it is. Can't really say for sure, but I was so sick of all three of these cats that I gave up at this point. You can look at it this way: Shadow and Root are learning about themselves, Bristle is learning about someone else. The closest thing she has to a proper arc is her romances. She's constantly defined by her relationships-- to Stemleaf, to the Impostor, to Squirrelflight, to Rootspring-- never does she (nor the narrative) focus on herself. As for why she feels duller than her cohorts, this has more to do with line-level writing. Shadowsight is also pretty static through the first three books, but people don't notice it as much because he feels more like a human-- he gets scared, he freezes in shock, he has long spiraling thoughts about bad things that could happen. By contrast, Bristle's POV is borderline 3rd Person Objective. Even if she did have a good character arc, that kind of writing alone is going to make people not like her. In my personal opinion, Rootspring is the best written of the TBC three. TBC is a plot-driven arc, so none of the characters really shine like they should, but at least Root has a consistent arc through the first three books. We see the source of his trauma, the resulting misbelief, the mistakes he makes as a result of that misbelief, the long and arduous process of him learning why he made those mistakes, and him changing that part of himself and accepting his new outlook. That being said, he's my least favorite of the three to read about. Imagine that! He's just annoying and whiny and I don't really like him. Goes to show that a character's likability isn't really related to whether they're a static or dynamic character. You're fine to like Bristlefrost. It's entirely possible that she does experience a lot of growth and I just missed it (though I would argue that's bad writing in and of itself). My point is simply that people's reasons for NOT liking her aren't petty. Here I am getting into TBC debates again. I'll see y'all at the next Warriors Anonymous meeting.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Aug 8, 2021 8:34:56 GMT -5
I personally think she's fine, she could've been written better, i'm just personally not the biggest fan of her character. I releate a lot more to the other two.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 8, 2021 9:27:55 GMT -5
I think she is. My only problem with her is how she suddenly had mutual feelings for Rootspring. Obviously she'd always liked him, but there's no transition as to when those feelings starting to become romantic, but even then, they're handling it maturely and are talking things out.
Usually, and especially in this series, the characters involved in a forbidden relationship don't care that they're breaking the rules, but Bristlefrost and Rootspring know the consequences and are at least trying to stay loyal to their respective Clans while still loving each other from afar.
The closest we get to this is with Bluefur and Oakheart, who agreed to meet only once. Had it not been for the result of their one-night stand, it probably would've been similar.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Aug 8, 2021 9:38:06 GMT -5
True, but what's static character for her? (And I'll be making a lot of comparisons to Rootspring and Shadowsight because that's my reason for being confused why people say she's so much worse and blander than them) 1. Loyalty to Clan and code. She's a very dedicated warrior and eager to be useful. This made her naïve and rather blind to others, especially to the false Bramblestar, but she changed once she realized how uncaring and cruel the imposter was and wanted to make up for her mistake. (This is not much different than Shadowsight wanting to make up for trusting Ashfur and getting Bramblestar killed, except Shadowsight's storyline more revolves around this redemption. This is also somewhat similar to Rootspring wanting to try extra hard to save Bramblestar's spirit because he feels responsible as he was the first cat to encounter it) 2. Sensitivity. Bristlefrost has always been a bit of a hopeless romantic, first with Stemleaf. She was awkward around Stemleaf and resentful of Spotfur, but after seeing Spotfur's bravery, she matured enough to move on become friends with both of them, even though it must have been rather difficult at first (I imagine it'll be painful to befriend a crush who rejected you and his love!) (This is somewhat similar to Rootspring eventually becoming friends with Turtlecrawl and Kitescratch even though they were bullies at first; both protags were hurt by these characters then moved on) 3. Romance with Rootspring. Bristlefrost first viewed Rootspring as a pesky apprentice, a little cat not to be taken seriously, often being annoyed or embarrassed by him. But as he grew, she did as well and seemed to open her heart and gave him a chance, and it was then that she saw he was a kind, caring, loyal, brave, and thoughtful cat. When she was once aloof and lofty towards him, she is now loving, sweet, and devoted to him because she stopped being more of a uptight warrior and started seeing Rootspring as a great warrior. (Similar to Rootspring's own love for her, except his was a crush that developed into a true love) 4. Eagerness. Like Rootspring and Shadowsight, Bristlefrost is always jumping at the chance to help her Clan, and her loyalty is extra strong because even though her Clan is falling apart, she's sticking by it (unless that changes in ALiTM) and being helpful to Squirrelflight. She sees her Clan as family and would do anything for it, and this is only marred by the fact that she's in love with Rootspring. In conclusion, I just want to know why Bristlefrost is said to be duller than Rootspring and Shadowsight, when imo, she's the best-written. I think all three protagonists are a little similar to each other. What makes Bristlefrost more of a static character than Rootspring or Shadowsight? Most of the things mentioned here are personality traits, not character arcs. The only one that's really an arc is the romance, which was done well in Lost Stars, but was nonexistent in TSiT and VoS (I haven't read Books 4 and 5). A personality trait (such as undying loyalty or eagerness) doesn't make a character dynamic. For a character to be dynamic, they have to learn something about themselves and change their worldview in some way. Bristlefrost didn't change her worldview in response to the Impostor's evilness, simply her allegiance. Changing your mind in response to new information doesn't equate to a character arc. Bristlefrost was always a kind, loyal, and good cat. She simply believed the Impostor was too; and when it was revealed he wasn't, she promptly changed sides. Compare that to Rootspring, who starts to trust Bramblestar as a result of self-reflection, realizing his powers aren't something to be ashamed of. Or to Shadowsight, who's working to right a mistake caused by a character flaw, and has all the emotional turmoil to go with it. Yes, Bristlefrost technically made a mistake in supporting the Impostor, but that wasn't due to a character flaw; it was due to simply not having information. She continues to be supportive of Squirrelflight and rarely questions authority, so I don't see the growth here. I agree with you on the romances. Bristle's romance arc in Lost Stars is well-done. Though from what I read in VoS, I didn't see the beginning of growth in Bristlefrost. I saw a very rushed confession that came right tf out of nowhere. I've been told it's better in the later books, and maybe it is. Can't really say for sure, but I was so sick of all three of these cats that I gave up at this point. You can look at it this way: Shadow and Root are learning about themselves, Bristle is learning about someone else. The closest thing she has to a proper arc is her romances. She's constantly defined by her relationships-- to Stemleaf, to the Impostor, to Squirrelflight, to Rootspring-- never does she (nor the narrative) focus on herself. As for why she feels duller than her cohorts, this has more to do with line-level writing. Shadowsight is also pretty static through the first three books, but people don't notice it as much because he feels more like a human-- he gets scared, he freezes in shock, he has long spiraling thoughts about bad things that could happen. By contrast, Bristle's POV is borderline 3rd Person Objective. Even if she did have a good character arc, that kind of writing alone is going to make people not like her. In my personal opinion, Rootspring is the best written of the TBC three. TBC is a plot-driven arc, so none of the characters really shine like they should, but at least Root has a consistent arc through the first three books. We see the source of his trauma, the resulting misbelief, the mistakes he makes as a result of that misbelief, the long and arduous process of him learning why he made those mistakes, and him changing that part of himself and accepting his new outlook. That being said, he's my least favorite of the three to read about. Imagine that! He's just annoying and whiny and I don't really like him. Goes to show that a character's likability isn't really related to whether they're a static or dynamic character. You're fine to like Bristlefrost. It's entirely possible that she does experience a lot of growth and I just missed it (though I would argue that's bad writing in and of itself). My point is simply that people's reasons for NOT liking her aren't petty. Here I am getting into TBC debates again. I'll see y'all at the next Warriors Anonymous meeting. Thank you for your reply! I guess this is more of a "agree to disagree" thing. As you said, we're both well aware TBC doesn't shine in the character department and is a lot more plot driven. I just feel sometimes that people are too harsh on Bristlefrost and keep calling her a walking camera. Dude, she's got personality and an arc, even if it's not a fascinating one.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 8, 2021 19:48:08 GMT -5
Thank you for your reply! I guess this is more of a "agree to disagree" thing. As you said, we're both well aware TBC doesn't shine in the character department and is a lot more plot driven. I just feel sometimes that people are too harsh on Bristlefrost and keep calling her a walking camera. Dude, she's got personality and an arc, even if it's not a fascinating one. I mean, being a camera in a plot-driven work isn't necessarily a bad thing. Leafpool (then Leafpaw) was a camera, and people liked her a lot. Some people (like me) just don't like plot-driven stories, so if that's what the work is, we're going to be a lot harder to please.
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Post by starmoon on Aug 8, 2021 23:57:20 GMT -5
Yes I do. She’s honestly my favourite character
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 9, 2021 0:32:49 GMT -5
I think she's fine, and the best written of the three, along with being the most consistent. Although I like Rootspring too, his character arc is much too similar to Shadowsight's, just more likable. Brislefrost feels more down to earth, relatable, and honestly does remind me of Firestar. I think the only reason people have qualms with her is either for her being powerless or her romance arc, which honestly is "meh" arguments in the first place.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Aug 9, 2021 6:10:32 GMT -5
I think she's fine, and the best written of the three, along with being the most consistent. Although I like Rootspring too, his character arc is much too similar to Shadowsight's, just more likable. Brislefrost feels more down to earth, relatable, and honestly does remind me of Firestar. I think the only reason people have qualms with her is either for her being powerless or her romance arc, which honestly is "meh" arguments in the first place.I mean, it's not a bad reason to dislike her character. While she may be a breath of fresh air for others, there are people who don't like the concept of such a normal protagonist and don't find her as interesting, instead boring, meanwhile other characters that are easier to releate to get a lot more love. Imo i find characters with powers more interesting, and there's nothing wrong with it, either.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 9, 2021 8:32:41 GMT -5
I'm still rather neutral on Bristlefrost. She's just so boring to me. Especially compared to the other two. While Rootspring is (or was) annoying, at least he's got a memorable personality. Shadowsight has an interesting stoyline about his sort of redemption and his chapters with Ashfur are my favorite thing about TBC so far because they are so delightfully creepy. Bristlefrost seems more like a PoV so the reader knows what goes on in ThunderClan (and with Squirrelflight who is the secret true protagonist of this arc as it's literally driven by her love triangle getting rehashed).
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Post by Aqua on Aug 9, 2021 9:41:50 GMT -5
I think she's fine, and the best written of the three, along with being the most consistent. Although I like Rootspring too, his character arc is much too similar to Shadowsight's, just more likable. Brislefrost feels more down to earth, relatable, and honestly does remind me of Firestar. I think the only reason people have qualms with her is either for her being powerless or her romance arc, which honestly is "meh" arguments in the first place.I mean, it's not a bad reason to dislike her character. While she may be a breath of fresh air for others, there are people who don't like the concept of such a normal protagonist and don't find her as interesting, instead boring, meanwhile other characters that are easier to releate to get a lot more love. Imo i find characters with powers more interesting, and there's nothing wrong with it, either. Not only that, but there's far too many protagonists revolving around romance: Lionblaze, Dovewing, Leafpool, Crowfeather, Cinderpelt, Firestar, and so many others. Sure, Bristlefrost might have a bit more character more than most of them when it comes to romance, but she really isn't anything new nor is she interesting to me. She's just a trophy wife to Rootspring and nothing more. Her ENTIRE CHARACTER revolves around her being so wishy-washy around him, just like Lionblaze and Dovewing about Cinderheart and Tigerheart. So I can totally understand why people despise Bristlefrost. Coming from someone like Ivypool, you'd expect her to be the most interesting one, but nah, she's just another romantic character like the others =.= hating Bristlefrost for being an annoying romantic is pretty valid. The only difference about Bristlefrost is that she's a spy to Bramblefake and that she stayed with her clan over Rootspring
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 9, 2021 10:31:04 GMT -5
I mean, it's not a bad reason to dislike her character. While she may be a breath of fresh air for others, there are people who don't like the concept of such a normal protagonist and don't find her as interesting, instead boring, meanwhile other characters that are easier to releate to get a lot more love. Imo i find characters with powers more interesting, and there's nothing wrong with it, either. Not only that, but there's far too many protagonists revolving around romance: Lionblaze, Dovewing, Leafpool, Crowfeather, Cinderpelt, Firestar, and so many others. Sure, Bristlefrost might have a bit more character more than most of them when it comes to romance, but she really isn't anything new nor is she interesting to me. She's just a trophy wife to Rootspring and nothing more. Her ENTIRE CHARACTER revolves around her being so wishy-washy around him, just like Lionblaze and Dovewing about Cinderheart and Tigerheart. So I can totally understand why people despise Bristlefrost. Coming from someone like Ivypool, you'd expect her to be the most interesting one, but nah, she's just another romantic character like the others =.= hating Bristlefrost for being an annoying romantic is pretty valid. The only difference about Bristlefrost is that she's a spy to Bramblefake and that she stayed with her clan over Rootspring All of those romances except for FirexSand stink though. There's a huge difference between a well done romantic plot and a poorly done one and I think it's fair for people to want another well done one rather than a whole bunch of mediocre ones. I think her struggles with loyalty to the Imposter are pretty different from anyone else too, we've never really had a character who acts as the bad guy for a time, not really. Ivypool came off as a manipulated pawn, while Bristlefrost genuinely believed in the Imposter's cause at first, and it gives her the kind of edge and teeth that Ivypool desperately needed. Anyway, how is she a trophy wife? That makes absolutely no sense in this context. She's both older than Rootspring and has a higher status than he does, if anything he is her trophy husband if you want to make it like that. I don't think either is, this is such a strange claim to make here.
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Post by Aqua on Aug 9, 2021 10:37:47 GMT -5
Not only that, but there's far too many protagonists revolving around romance: Lionblaze, Dovewing, Leafpool, Crowfeather, Cinderpelt, Firestar, and so many others. Sure, Bristlefrost might have a bit more character more than most of them when it comes to romance, but she really isn't anything new nor is she interesting to me. She's just a trophy wife to Rootspring and nothing more. Her ENTIRE CHARACTER revolves around her being so wishy-washy around him, just like Lionblaze and Dovewing about Cinderheart and Tigerheart. So I can totally understand why people despise Bristlefrost. Coming from someone like Ivypool, you'd expect her to be the most interesting one, but nah, she's just another romantic character like the others =.= hating Bristlefrost for being an annoying romantic is pretty valid. The only difference about Bristlefrost is that she's a spy to Bramblefake and that she stayed with her clan over Rootspring All of those romances except for FirexSand stink though. There's a huge difference between a well done romantic plot and a poorly done one and I think it's fair for people to want another well done one rather than a whole bunch of mediocre ones. I think her struggles with loyalty to the Imposter are pretty different from anyone else too, we've never really had a character who acts as the bad guy for a time, not really. Ivypool came off as a manipulated pawn, while Bristlefrost genuinely believed in the Imposter's cause at first, and it gives her the kind of edge and teeth that Ivypool desperately needed. Anyway, how is she a trophy wife? That makes absolutely no sense in this context. She's both older than Rootspring and has a higher status than he does, if anything he is her trophy husband if you want to make it like that. I don't think either is, this is such a strange claim to make here. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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