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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 2, 2021 18:42:31 GMT -5
rookheart Did you read the books? It explicitly states that she's 8 moons old in the first book of TNP. And did I say anything about kids? No. Piss off for making assumptions about me. Hey, let's not make this into a fight. But I do want to say yeah, that's my bad, but she's still a kid. I don't think picking on a kid is appropriate, no matter how annoying they are. squirrel is 8 moons in the beginning of TNP, not freshly 6 moons or a new apprentice. she's more so like a mid-late teenager, not a 12 year old. apprentices were said to be like teens. the real misconception lies in majority of people villainizing brambleclaw, not the other way around. no one likes to examine squirrel's actions from the beginning for some reason. everyone's always ONLY doing this to bramble which is unfair. people excuse squirrelflight a lot just because she was an apprentice or "young" at the time, etc. it's unfair. she's a teenager. she shouldnt be acting like an arrogant know it all who only knows how to back talk to adults in charge, etc. squirrelflight is the bigger bully in TNP, not bramble (i say bigger bully because im not going to wave away bramble's actions like a hypocrite). just because he's older and a boy doesnt mean he can't also be a victim to being pushed around by someone. squirrel made bramble suffer on the journey multiple times and he had to be responsible for her just because he was older and from the same clan as her. I honestly don't think it's the same gravity at all. Squirrelflight tries to make up with him time and time again, only for him to berate her constantly. Of course she'll be rude right back, but Brambleclaw is the one who continuously engages her, and humiliates her as well. Squirrelflight isn't really a bully in my perspective, just hot blooded, and will say her opinions. Someone made a really well sourced video, it's really long, but really well researched. I highly recommend it, it's one of the few critical analysis videos I've seen in this fandom, and I like it. I agree, that doesn't mean he can't be a victim, but the amount of people defending his behaviour without examining the text is worrying to me. That being said, we can agree to disagree. I don't want to start an argument on this thread. moonkitti's video is competely biased and shouldnt ever be used as a source for canon info...her video is in favor of squirrel, so i wouldnt take it seriously. dont take her opinions in that vid as gospel, please. u are blowing bramble's actions WAY out of proportion and acting like he's some evil devil. it sounds like you're only going off of moonkitti's videos so i dont want to further engage in this conversation. i'll agree to disagree.
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Post by rabbit on Sept 2, 2021 18:45:02 GMT -5
I think everybody here has watched that video. There was a lot of context that is excluded to make Moonkitti's points work, like completely ignoring that Bramble and Squirrel are also clan leader and deputy and the fact they are clan cats and not normal humans. It's been I while since I've watched it, but I'm not planning on watching it again. lol Also... Moonkitti has an obvious bias towards Squirrel since she's one of her favorite characters meanwhile she has always hated Brambleclaw.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 2, 2021 18:46:38 GMT -5
rookheart That video is a terrible, biased analysis btw. I wouldn't recommend basing all your opinions off of that. As for the poll, I actually don't hate any of these characters XD.
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Post by rookheart on Sept 2, 2021 19:09:41 GMT -5
I've actually always felt like this, ever since I read TNP when I was 14. The video reflects pretty much all my opinions, and it addresses pretty much everything mentioned here. Someone enjoying a character does not make it so they are incapable of producing critical analysis. She actually cites in text evidence, and entire paragraphs, including the ones where Squirrelflight is "bad". I'm not really a huge fan of Squirrelflight, and my dislike of Brambleclaw is honestly mostly because I feel it's a butchering of a character I really enjoyed until they decided to retcon his entire development.
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Post by kells on Sept 2, 2021 19:13:45 GMT -5
I hate Clear Sky sm, and Thunder was insufferable but at least Clear Sky's pov held insight on his group, and Thunder's pov wasn't as annoying as Squirrelflight's and also didn't have a terrible love triangle soooo
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