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Post by Chicken on Aug 4, 2021 11:34:48 GMT -5
I'm not going to add Feathertail, Stormfur, or Flametail since they only had like a chapter or so worth of a POV, and plus I have a feeling if I added Flametail, he'd win by a lot. Also, I mean the characters themselves, not how enjoyable/unenjoyable their POV was to read. Like, Leafpool's POV was one of my favorites to read, but she's my least favorite main series POV character.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 4, 2021 11:40:18 GMT -5
Clear Sky. He's just infuriating to me. Both as a character and his perspective.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Aug 4, 2021 12:43:27 GMT -5
Bramblestar was really boring for me, I wish stormfur took his POV instead
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Post by Rainfire on Aug 4, 2021 12:46:01 GMT -5
Uhhhh out of all of them, I'd probably have to say Bramblestar is my least favorite overall as a character, but even then I still like him and enjoyed his POV most of the time.
This has made me realize that I actually really like or love every single main series POV character, even Feathertail, Stormfur, and Flametail
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Post by Fireleap on Aug 4, 2021 13:22:46 GMT -5
Honestly? Probably Squirrelflight. Thunder and Lionblaze are boring, but I don't dislike either character. Shadowsight, Twigbranch, and Dovewing annoy me but they've all got some stuff going for them. While Alderheart's is easily the most boring and unnecessary I'm meh on him while every time I got to a Squirrelflight chapter I just wanted to roll my eyes and skip to the next one.
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Post by roseberry on Aug 4, 2021 18:17:20 GMT -5
Clear Sky's for me was hard to read, forcing me to wish the POV would switch to Gray Wings. It felt so odd reading it.
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Post by Rainsplash on Aug 4, 2021 20:59:37 GMT -5
I didn't mind Brambleclaw's, and Clear Sky's was interesting tbh. Hollyleaf's infuriated me so much.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 5, 2021 4:50:52 GMT -5
I do feel like Stormfur and Flametail deserve to be included in the poll. Flametail was a POV for an entire book, and Stormfur was the same and also had a whole character arc that was well done. Feathertail's exclusion is fine, she literally had one chapter.
Also you forgot Dovewing and Ivypool.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Aug 5, 2021 5:02:09 GMT -5
Thunder.
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Post by Chicken on Aug 5, 2021 10:06:09 GMT -5
I do feel like Stormfur and Flametail deserve to be included in the poll. Flametail was a POV for an entire book, and Stormfur was the same and also had a whole character arc that was well done. Feathertail's exclusion is fine, she literally had one chapter. Also you forgot Dovewing and Ivypool. Well frick
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Aug 5, 2021 22:12:55 GMT -5
Just reread Twilight so that'll be a Squirrelflight vote from me.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Sept 2, 2021 7:49:20 GMT -5
Thunder for sure.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 2, 2021 8:58:47 GMT -5
Bramblestar, i can't stand his POV.
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Post by Pixie on Sept 2, 2021 10:25:17 GMT -5
I skipped Leafpool’s chapters lol.
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Post by Aqua on Sept 2, 2021 10:40:55 GMT -5
Lionblaze's chapters are not that bad, but his PoVs were so meaningless and unnecessary. His chapters got better in TBC, and I didn't mind him in Po3, but otherwise he's a boring and unnecessary character I feel the Erins didn't try to improve. He started off great from the beginning, then kinda went down the drain afterwards. I like him, but his entire arc just felt unnecessary. He's my least favorite character that was handled poorly, if that makes any sense. But as a character on his own, he's just alright.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 10:53:28 GMT -5
Lionblaze
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Post by cygna on Sept 2, 2021 16:39:07 GMT -5
Clear Sky(post blazing star), Leafpool(since PoT), SquirrelBramble(since new prophecy), Dovewing(since she became a Paw).
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Post by rookheart on Sept 2, 2021 17:31:59 GMT -5
Hard Bramblestar. I was a big fan of Bramblepaw, and the entire TNP arc is a disservice to anyone who liked him as the established character he was. He was basically completely rewritten. You're telling me that his defining moment in The Darkest Hour where he rejects Tigerstar is for nothing? They could have easily done that arc with Tawnypelt or Hawkfrost, characters who did not have that arc established.
Not to mention, he's outright abusive to Squirrelflight right from the beginning. It made it a very difficult read, because no one calls him out, and it teaches the reader, usually impressionable kids, that it's OK to hurt someone just because you find them annoying, or that they dare to have different opinions from you. He's also too old for Squirrelflight anyways. I would have much preferred Tawnypelt or Crowpaw as TNP's protagonist.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 2, 2021 17:40:31 GMT -5
Definitely Bramblestar. His relationship with Squirrelflight aside, I just haven't liked him in general since TNP, ever since he was stupid enough to train with Tigerstar.
Lionblaze is probably a close second, but even then, I at least find him to be interesting, even in TBC. When he isn't being irrational, Bramblestar is just... there. He's pretty boring as a leader. Actually, the same goes for Thunder; out of the three DotC protagonists, he was always my least favorite. Gray Wing used to be this, but I can at least still like him as a cat, even if I don't find him to be that interesting of a protagonist.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 2, 2021 17:41:02 GMT -5
Hard Bramblestar. I was a big fan of Bramblepaw, and the entire TNP arc is a disservice to anyone who liked him as the established character he was. He was basically completely rewritten. You're telling me that his defining moment in The Darkest Hour where he rejects Tigerstar is for nothing? They could have easily done that arc with Tawnypelt or Hawkfrost, characters who did not have that arc established. Not to mention, he's outright abusive to Squirrelflight right from the beginning. It made it a very difficult read, because no one calls him out, and it teaches the reader, usually impressionable kids, that it's OK to hurt someone just because you find them annoying, or that they dare to have different opinions from you. He's also too old for Squirrelflight anyways. I would have much preferred Tawnypelt or Crowpaw as TNP's protagonist. How was he abusive to Squirrelflight from the very beginning? She's the one who blackmailed him into letting her come on the journey that she wasn't even invited to. She's the one who got angry at him, and basically started gaslighting him, by saying "You must not love me then!" and stuff like that, just because he wanted to get to know his brother, who he had no idea would turn out to be a bad cat. Like, his father was this evil cat who ditched him for ShadowClan and died, his littermate also joined ShadowClan, he just wanted to feel close to a family member, but Squirrelflight tried to make him feel bad for it, and made it all about his feelings towards her. Oh and there's also the fact that she lied about something as important as children for their whole childhood, Bramblestar must have been absolutely gutted when he found out. I'm not saying that Bramblestar is perfect, but I don't think it's fair to say he was abusive from the very start when there is more to the story. I do agree about him being too old for her, so is all the other cats they had like her, like Stormfur and Ashfur, like why couldn't they have picked someone around her own age like Spiderleg?
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Post by rookheart on Sept 2, 2021 17:52:40 GMT -5
How was he abusive to Squirrelflight from the very beginning? She's the one who blackmailed him into letting her come on the journey that she wasn't even invited to. She's the one who got angry at him, and basically started gaslighting him, by saying "You must not love me then!" and stuff like that, just because he wanted to get to know his brother, who he had no idea would turn out to be a bad cat. Like, his father was this evil cat who ditched him for ShadowClan and died, his littermate also joined ShadowClan, he just wanted to feel close to a family member, but Squirrelflight tried to make him feel bad for it, and made it all about his feelings towards her. Oh and there's also the fact that she lied about something as important as children for their whole childhood, Bramblestar must have been absolutely gutted when he found out. I'm not saying that Bramblestar is perfect, but I don't think it's fair to say he was abusive from the very start when there is more to the story. I do agree about him being too old for her, so is all the other cats they had like her, like Stormfur and Ashfur, like why couldn't they have picked someone around her own age like Spiderleg? Bramblestar was always older and in a position of power over her. She's a fresh apprentice, and he basically bullies her throughout the sundrown place journey for.... Being an immature apprentice. Which is horrible, and a horrible standard to set for impressionable readers. She didn't gaslight him at all, she said that Hawkfrost must matter more, and that he doesn't know her clearly, and she stated her boundaries. We know Hawkfrost was a bad cat, she saw Hawkfrost doing things like conspiring with Mudclaw. That's not gaslighting, that's her being truthful. Brambleclaw accused her of making this about him being Tigerstar's son, and she got upset about that, because she made it very clear she didn't see him as Tigerstar 2. He goes on to humiliate her, and berate her constantly after that, using his position as deputy to make her look stupid. Squirrelflight was also forced into that situation. What's very worrying to me is how scared Squirrelflight was to even do it, probably because she knew Brambleclaw wouldn't respond well, which isn't something any healthy relationship should involve. I think it's in his rights to terminate the relationship for a lie, but she wasn't doing it to hurt him, and the books make it very clear. Even books after that depict her as straight up rejecting Leafpool on the idea, because she doesn't want to hurt Brambleclaw. And yeahhh, I think it's just weird? She's a new apprentice. I feel the same with Feathercrow, if they had to, Crowfeather would have been a better love interest.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 2, 2021 17:58:10 GMT -5
How was he abusive to Squirrelflight from the very beginning? She's the one who blackmailed him into letting her come on the journey that she wasn't even invited to. She's the one who got angry at him, and basically started gaslighting him, by saying "You must not love me then!" and stuff like that, just because he wanted to get to know his brother, who he had no idea would turn out to be a bad cat. Like, his father was this evil cat who ditched him for ShadowClan and died, his littermate also joined ShadowClan, he just wanted to feel close to a family member, but Squirrelflight tried to make him feel bad for it, and made it all about his feelings towards her. Oh and there's also the fact that she lied about something as important as children for their whole childhood, Bramblestar must have been absolutely gutted when he found out. I'm not saying that Bramblestar is perfect, but I don't think it's fair to say he was abusive from the very start when there is more to the story. I do agree about him being too old for her, so is all the other cats they had like her, like Stormfur and Ashfur, like why couldn't they have picked someone around her own age like Spiderleg? Bramblestar was always older and in a position of power over her. She's a fresh apprentice, and he basically bullies her throughout the sundrown place journey for.... Being an immature apprentice. Which is horrible, and a horrible standard to set for impressionable readers. She didn't gaslight him at all, she said that Hawkfrost must matter more, and that he doesn't know her clearly, and she stated her boundaries. We know Hawkfrost was a bad cat, she saw Hawkfrost doing things like conspiring with Mudclaw. That's not gaslighting, that's her being truthful. Brambleclaw accused her of making this about him being Tigerstar's son, and she got upset about that, because she made it very clear she didn't see him as Tigerstar 2. He goes on to humiliate her, and berate her constantly after that, using his position as deputy to make her look stupid. Squirrelflight was also forced into that situation. What's very worrying to me is how scared Squirrelflight was to even do it, probably because she knew Brambleclaw wouldn't respond well, which isn't something any healthy relationship should involve. I think it's in his rights to terminate the relationship for a lie, but she wasn't doing it to hurt him, and the books make it very clear. Even books after that depict her as straight up rejecting Leafpool on the idea, because she doesn't want to hurt Brambleclaw. And yeahhh, I think it's just weird? She's a new apprentice. I feel the same with Feathercrow, if they had to, Crowfeather would have been a better love interest. TBF, I'd bully someone too if they were annoying and wouldn't leave me alone. Squirrelflight didn't have to go on the journey with him, she wasn't even invited. Also, Bramblestar didn't know Hawkfrost was bad, he didn't see any of this for himself.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 2, 2021 17:58:27 GMT -5
How was he abusive to Squirrelflight from the very beginning? She's the one who blackmailed him into letting her come on the journey that she wasn't even invited to. She's the one who got angry at him, and basically started gaslighting him, by saying "You must not love me then!" and stuff like that, just because he wanted to get to know his brother, who he had no idea would turn out to be a bad cat. Like, his father was this evil cat who ditched him for ShadowClan and died, his littermate also joined ShadowClan, he just wanted to feel close to a family member, but Squirrelflight tried to make him feel bad for it, and made it all about his feelings towards her. Oh and there's also the fact that she lied about something as important as children for their whole childhood, Bramblestar must have been absolutely gutted when he found out. I'm not saying that Bramblestar is perfect, but I don't think it's fair to say he was abusive from the very start when there is more to the story. I do agree about him being too old for her, so is all the other cats they had like her, like Stormfur and Ashfur, like why couldn't they have picked someone around her own age like Spiderleg? Bramblestar was always older and in a position of power over her. She's a fresh apprentice, and he basically bullies her throughout the sundrown place journey for.... Being an immature apprentice. Which is horrible, and a horrible standard to set for impressionable readers. She didn't gaslight him at all, she said that Hawkfrost must matter more, and that he doesn't know her clearly, and she stated her boundaries. We know Hawkfrost was a bad cat, she saw Hawkfrost doing things like conspiring with Mudclaw. That's not gaslighting, that's her being truthful. Brambleclaw accused her of making this about him being Tigerstar's son, and she got upset about that, because she made it very clear she didn't see him as Tigerstar 2. He goes on to humiliate her, and berate her constantly after that, using his position as deputy to make her look stupid. Squirrelflight was also forced into that situation. What's very worrying to me is how scared Squirrelflight was to even do it, probably because she knew Brambleclaw wouldn't respond well, which isn't something any healthy relationship should involve. I think it's in his rights to terminate the relationship for a lie, but she wasn't doing it to hurt him, and the books make it very clear. Even books after that depict her as straight up rejecting Leafpool on the idea, because she doesn't want to hurt Brambleclaw. And yeahhh, I think it's just weird? She's a new apprentice. I feel the same with Feathercrow, if they had to, Crowfeather would have been a better love interest. hard disagree. squirrelflight blackmailed brambleclaw to even go on the journey. a journey she had no business taggling along for in the first place. then she handed the hawkfrost situation ALL WRONG. we as an audience know she was right, but did that give the her the right to put down brambleclaw's feelings? she might has well have said "oh you want to have feelings and get to know your brother? why are you choosing him over me? can't you see i'm right even though i have no evidence other than my word? how dare you!" she was totally in the wrong for puttng him down for having his own wants seperate from her and hers lol. brambleclaw was no where near as bad as squirrelflight for this situation. imagine your girlfriend insinuates your half brother is evil because of your shared dad, of course he'll think it's also about him since he has the SAME DAD as his half brother. it's not his fault he didn't know about hawkfrost. he was being blinded by a desire to be close to his long lost kin. how is that a crime?
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Post by rabbit on Sept 2, 2021 18:08:59 GMT -5
Bramblestar was always older and in a position of power over her. She's a fresh apprentice, and he basically bullies her throughout the sundrown place journey for.... Being an immature apprentice. Which is horrible, and a horrible standard to set for impressionable readers. As someone who just read Midnight, I think Squirrelpaw was more of the bully than Brambleclaw. lol It was Brambleclaw's responsibility to make sure Squirrelpaw was safe, and Squirrelpaw would just constantly be difficult and backtalk. It was annoying rereading it, Brambleclaw just giving in to a lot of her bullshit by arguing with her rather than being firm with her.
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Post by rabbit on Sept 2, 2021 18:18:18 GMT -5
hard disagree. squirrelflight blackmailed brambleclaw to even go on the journey. a journey she had no business taggling along for in the first place. then she handed the hawkfrost situation ALL WRONG. we as an audience know she was right, but did that give the her the right to put down brambleclaw's feelings? she might has well have said "oh you want to have feelings and get to know your brother? why are you choosing him over me? can't you see i'm right even though i have no evidence other than my word? how dare you!" she was totally in the wrong for puttng him down for having his own wants seperate from her and hers lol. brambleclaw was no where near as bad as squirrelflight for this situation. imagine your girlfriend insinuates your half brother is evil because of your shared dad, of course he'll think it's also about him since he has the SAME DAD as his half brother. it's not his fault he didn't know about hawkfrost. he was being blinded by a desire to be close to his long lost kin. how is that a crime? I'm getting around to reread tnp, so I'm not there yet. But I think there was more of a reason that Squirrel didn't like Hawkfrost? Like he gave off bad vibes or something because of Leafpool's and Squirrelflight's weird connection. Leafpool would have known Hawkfrost was suspicious because she knew he "faked" signs from StarClan for his own motives.
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Post by rookheart on Sept 2, 2021 18:20:16 GMT -5
TBF, I'd bully someone too if they were annoying and wouldn't leave me alone. Squirrelflight didn't have to go on the journey with him, she wasn't even invited. Also, Bramblestar didn't know Hawkfrost was bad, he didn't see any of this for himself. I'm going to be honest, please don't be around kids if you're going to pick on them for doing what kids do. That's a horrible thing to do. And that's why Squirrelflight was upset, because he didn't take her word on it. He knew Hawkfrost was in on the Mudclaw thing as well, and Mudclaw told him to his face. So Brambleclaw did know, he just chose to ignore it. hard disagree. squirrelflight blackmailed brambleclaw to even go on the journey. a journey she had no business taggling along for in the first place. then she handed the hawkfrost situation ALL WRONG. we as an audience know she was right, but did that give the her the right to put down brambleclaw's feelings? she might has well have said "oh you want to have feelings and get to know your brother? why are you choosing him over me? can't you see i'm right even though i have no evidence other than my word? how dare you!" she was totally in the wrong for puttng him down for having his own wants seperate from her and hers lol. brambleclaw was no where near as bad as squirrelflight for this situation. imagine your girlfriend insinuates your half brother is evil because of your shared dad, of course he'll think it's also about him since he has the SAME DAD as his half brother. it's not his fault he didn't know about hawkfrost. he was being blinded by a desire to be close to his long lost kin. how is that a crime? Have you read The New Prophecy recently? I feel these are a lot of common misconceptions usually rooted in fandom misogyny that's been passed around, but if you read the books, these are all incorrect. I'm not saying you're misogynist of course, just that this is an issue where a lot of people don't remember what happened. First one, she's a six month old apprentice, so basically a 12 year old when that happened. He's like 20+ in human years approximately. A child following you around is what a kid does, they're annoying, and that's what Squirrelpaw was supposed to be. (Technically older but after that I don't want to convert the math haha, since that's getting into fanon territory.) Brambleclaw was there when Hawkfrost was exposed as a Mudclaw conspiracy guy, it happened right in front of him. To be more specific, Mudclaw yells at Hawkfrost for saving Brambleclaw from him, and tells Brambleclaw his plan. Squirrelflight did not insinuate anything about Tigerstar, in fact, she gets upset that after everything they've been through, he thinks that she would think she sees him as nothing more than a Tigerstar clone. Brambleclaw continues to berate her and mock her, and uses his position as deputy to be cruel to her for expressing concern about the obvious. Squirrelflight did very little wrong at all. I can't fault Brambleclaw for wanting to get to know Hawkfrost (it's a character flaw, and that makes him a little more interesting), but him dismissing her about the obvious is very unfair, especially when he suddenly makes it about Tigerstar when Squirrelflight doesn't mention it at all.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 2, 2021 18:24:55 GMT -5
rookheartDid you read the books? It explicitly states that she's 8 moons old in the first book of TNP. And did I say anything about kids? No. Piss off for making assumptions about me.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 2, 2021 18:27:57 GMT -5
TBF, I'd bully someone too if they were annoying and wouldn't leave me alone. Squirrelflight didn't have to go on the journey with him, she wasn't even invited. Also, Bramblestar didn't know Hawkfrost was bad, he didn't see any of this for himself. I'm going to be honest, please don't be around kids if you're going to pick on them for doing what kids do. That's a horrible thing to do. And that's why Squirrelflight was upset, because he didn't take her word on it. He knew Hawkfrost was in on the Mudclaw thing as well, and Mudclaw told him to his face. So Brambleclaw did know, he just chose to ignore it. hard disagree. squirrelflight blackmailed brambleclaw to even go on the journey. a journey she had no business taggling along for in the first place. then she handed the hawkfrost situation ALL WRONG. we as an audience know she was right, but did that give the her the right to put down brambleclaw's feelings? she might has well have said "oh you want to have feelings and get to know your brother? why are you choosing him over me? can't you see i'm right even though i have no evidence other than my word? how dare you!" she was totally in the wrong for puttng him down for having his own wants seperate from her and hers lol. brambleclaw was no where near as bad as squirrelflight for this situation. imagine your girlfriend insinuates your half brother is evil because of your shared dad, of course he'll think it's also about him since he has the SAME DAD as his half brother. it's not his fault he didn't know about hawkfrost. he was being blinded by a desire to be close to his long lost kin. how is that a crime? Have you read The New Prophecy recently? I feel these are a lot of common misconceptions usually rooted in fandom misogyny that's been passed around, but if you read the books, these are all incorrect. I'm not saying you're misogynist of course, just that this is an issue where a lot of people don't remember what happened. First one, she's a six month old apprentice, so basically a 12 year old when that happened. He's like 20+ in human years approximately. A child following you around is what a kid does, they're annoying, and that's what Squirrelpaw was supposed to be. (Technically older but after that I don't want to convert the math haha, since that's getting into fanon territory.) Brambleclaw was there when Hawkfrost was exposed as a Mudclaw conspiracy guy, it happened right in front of him. To be more specific, Mudclaw yells at Hawkfrost for saving Brambleclaw from him, and tells Brambleclaw his plan. Squirrelflight did not insinuate anything about Tigerstar, in fact, she gets upset that after everything they've been through, he thinks that she would think she sees him as nothing more than a Tigerstar clone. Brambleclaw continues to berate her and mock her, and uses his position as deputy to be cruel to her for expressing concern about the obvious. Squirrelflight did very little wrong at all. I can't fault Brambleclaw for wanting to get to know Hawkfrost (it's a character flaw, and that makes him a little more interesting), but him dismissing her about the obvious is very unfair, especially when he suddenly makes it about Tigerstar when Squirrelflight doesn't mention it at all. squirrel is 8 moons in the beginning of TNP, not freshly 6 moons or a new apprentice. she's more so like a mid-late teenager, not a 12 year old. apprentices were said to be like teens. the real misconception lies in majority of people villainizing brambleclaw, not the other way around. no one likes to examine squirrel's actions from the beginning for some reason. everyone's always ONLY doing this to bramble which is unfair. people excuse squirrelflight a lot just because she was an apprentice or "young" at the time, etc. it's unfair. she's a teenager. she shouldnt be acting like an arrogant know it all who only knows how to back talk to adults in charge, etc. squirrelflight is the bigger bully in TNP, not bramble (i say bigger bully because im not going to wave away bramble's actions like a hypocrite). just because he's older and a boy doesnt mean he can't also be a victim to being pushed around by someone. squirrel made bramble suffer on the journey multiple times and he had to be responsible for her just because he was older and from the same clan as her.
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Post by rookheart on Sept 2, 2021 18:38:39 GMT -5
rookheartDid you read the books? It explicitly states that she's 8 moons old in the first book of TNP. And did I say anything about kids? No. Piss off for making assumptions about me. Hey, let's not make this into a fight. But I do want to say yeah, that's my bad, but she's still a kid. I don't think picking on a kid is appropriate, no matter how annoying they are. squirrel is 8 moons in the beginning of TNP, not freshly 6 moons or a new apprentice. she's more so like a mid-late teenager, not a 12 year old. apprentices were said to be like teens. the real misconception lies in majority of people villainizing brambleclaw, not the other way around. no one likes to examine squirrel's actions from the beginning for some reason. everyone's always ONLY doing this to bramble which is unfair. people excuse squirrelflight a lot just because she was an apprentice or "young" at the time, etc. it's unfair. she's a teenager. she shouldnt be acting like an arrogant know it all who only knows how to back talk to adults in charge, etc. squirrelflight is the bigger bully in TNP, not bramble (i say bigger bully because im not going to wave away bramble's actions like a hypocrite). just because he's older and a boy doesnt mean he can't also be a victim to being pushed around by someone. squirrel made bramble suffer on the journey multiple times and he had to be responsible for her just because he was older and from the same clan as her. I honestly don't think it's the same gravity at all. Squirrelflight tries to make up with him time and time again, only for him to berate her constantly. Of course she'll be rude right back, but Brambleclaw is the one who continuously engages her, and humiliates her as well. Squirrelflight isn't really a bully in my perspective, just hot blooded, and will say her opinions. Someone made a really well sourced video, it's really long, but really well researched. I highly recommend it, it's one of the few critical analysis videos I've seen in this fandom, and I like it. I agree, that doesn't mean he can't be a victim, but the amount of people defending his behaviour without examining the text is worrying to me. That being said, we can agree to disagree. I don't want to start an argument on this thread.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 2, 2021 18:42:09 GMT -5
rookheartYeah, which is why I wouldn't pick on kids, but if someone is annoying me, I'm not going to go out of my way to invite them over for tea and biscuits. Also, you posting that video makes a lot of sense. The creator is heavily biased towards Squirrelflight, like heavily. Not saying that she doesn't make a few good points, but that's something to consider.
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