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Post by Chicken on Jul 29, 2021 12:38:48 GMT -5
I don't understand why all the other protagonist parents either get a POV or a standalone book, even PEBBLESHINE got one, even though we already knew what was going to happen, and we learned absolutely nothing new about her that we didn't already see in Hawkwing's SE, but Sandstorm, Whitewing, and Birchfall got nothing, I would have expected with how important Ivypool and Dovewing are, their parents would have at least gotten SOMETHING, but nope. Also, Sandstorm not getting anything? What?? I would really like if they all got a novella someday, or even an SE for Sandstorm to find out more of her backstory, we don't even know who her parents are, and as the mate of the OG and the mother of the most popular character, I find that baffling. Sorry for the rant, I just don't understand why they're so overlooked compared to the other parents. If you could choose for these three cats to have a book, what would you want them to be about?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 29, 2021 12:52:09 GMT -5
What else is there to tell, though? We already know their stories, so it just seems pretty unnecessary. And okay, Sandstorm I get—maybe a story on her could even expand on that one short story from SotC or something—but Whitewing and Birchfall have always been background characters.
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Post by Chicken on Jul 29, 2021 12:58:44 GMT -5
What else is there to tell, though? We already know their stories, so it just seems pretty unnecessary. And okay, Sandstorm I get—maybe a story on her could even expand on that one short story from SotC or something—but Whitewing and Birchfall have always been background characters. True but the same thing could be said about Pebbleshine, and everyone was hoping she would have had names for Twig and Violet, that seemed to be the thing most people were looking forward to, and they didn't even have that. I also don't understand why cats who have POVs in the main series need a novella/SE like Bramble, Squirrel, Dove, etc
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 29, 2021 13:52:34 GMT -5
Whitewing got a story in Battles of the Clans about the badger attack in Twilight.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 29, 2021 13:54:10 GMT -5
so true. birchfall 100% deserves something. anyone from the fern x dust family deserves a novella at LEAST. ferncloud novella or birchfall novella would be amazing. they deserve to have spotlight for how much family they lost. their whole lineage got screwed over so badly over the years. and we never knew birch or white's opinion on dovewing leaving (unless theres a scene mentioning this in AVOS somewhere? i didnt read the second half, so let me know if there was).
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Post by Chicken on Jul 29, 2021 14:17:22 GMT -5
*Faith*Oh cool! Thanks for telling me about htis. ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆I agree! I also think it would be cool if Spiderleg had one, so we could see about his and Daisy's relationship, and how they got together, my theory is that it was because he mentored her son, but I guess we'll never know, it's not like Daisy got a novella or anything, and about his inner thoughts on the kits thing and stuff.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jul 29, 2021 16:26:00 GMT -5
so true. birchfall 100% deserves something. anyone from the fern x dust family deserves a novella at LEAST. ferncloud novella or birchfall novella would be amazing. they deserve to have spotlight for how much family they lost. their whole lineage got screwed over so badly over the years. and we never knew birch or white's opinion on dovewing leaving (unless theres a scene mentioning this in AVOS somewhere? i didnt read the second half, so let me know if there was). I don't see how they "deserved" spotlight due to tragedy. Firestar's family wasn't the best either and yet people complain about that spotlight.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 29, 2021 18:24:02 GMT -5
If Pebbleshine got one they deserve one too
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 29, 2021 23:04:17 GMT -5
Imo, Sandstorm doesn't need a story. We already got to see her life go on through the eyes of others, and it was enough for me because tbh, it's not like there's really all THAT much to tell for her outside of what we've seen. Hell, she helped Skyclan reform alongside Firestar, even if it's not in her POV that's pretty significant for her as a deuteragonist to FQ.
Also I agree that Fern and Dust shouldn't get a POV JUST because they suffered a lot. A POV isn't a reward for tragedy. Not saying you think it is or anything but it just reads weird to say "X deserves a standalone for all they've suffered" when it's not as if the writers gave a chance for us to speculate what's going on offscreen for them unlike cases like Daisy where they throw the lead to her novella right in the main book. Even for FQ, a book that came after Sunset, Sunset still had the implication that yes, FQ's events happened in the timeskip. (Plus frankly, I do NOT want to have to read Vicky's murderhappy butt being taken out on DustFern's kits again. It infuriated me enough that she wanted them to suffer purely for drama, rather than a proper excuse to kill them such as like the hardships of the current events hitting their kits considering they were the most vulnerable to die, I don't wanna have to see it through fricking Dust OR Fern and relive that grief and infuriation) Whitewing's PoV I don't think we need either.
Birchfall? he's iffy, but a look into his DF antics and a look to see how they managed to convince him to join could be a nice way to fill in the holes for the latter issue. Unlike cats like Thornclaw, Birchfall wasn't born during Tigerstar's reign, who was more than likely a nursery tale to him at the time. He doesn't have the living experience of SEEING how Tigerstar was in the living, and we know DF cats manipulated their trainees so idk. He's a VERY iffy choice. But Sandstorm and Whitewing POVs are not needed as there's not really anything to tell with them. Even in the instance of the latter's opinion on Dovewing leaving is not enough to get a story out of it, and could've just been put into maybe a short convo overheard by someone at most to be enough.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jul 30, 2021 5:19:46 GMT -5
The only way I would be okay with having a story about Sandstorm is maybe having a cute apprentice story with her, Dustpelt, Ravenpaw, and Graystripe. However, nothing to the extent of a novella.
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Post by Chicken on Jul 30, 2021 10:48:31 GMT -5
The only way I would be okay with having a story about Sandstorm is maybe having a cute apprentice story with her, Dustpelt, Ravenpaw, and Graystripe. However, nothing to the extent of a novella. I would love that, that's actually what I'm looking for, because we already know all that other stuff, and I don't want novellas and SEs to tie into the plot, or to be about cats important to the plot, because the way I see it, a story is more than about just the plot. I care more about the characters than the plot, and SEs and novellas are supposed to be standalones anyway. Getting some backstory on Sandstorm, and by extension the other cats before before Firestar joined ThunderClan, and slightly after, like before Sandstorm accepted him would be great.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jul 30, 2021 15:17:45 GMT -5
The only way I would be okay with having a story about Sandstorm is maybe having a cute apprentice story with her, Dustpelt, Ravenpaw, and Graystripe. However, nothing to the extent of a novella. I would love that, that's actually what I'm looking for, because we already know all that other stuff, and I don't want novellas and SEs to tie into the plot, or to be about cats important to the plot, because the way I see it, a story is more than about just the plot. I care more about the characters than the plot, and SEs and novellas are supposed to be standalones anyway. Getting some backstory on Sandstorm, and by extension the other cats before before Firestar joined ThunderClan, and slightly after, like before Sandstorm accepted him would be great. So you're overall aiming for a story in a guide?
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Post by Chicken on Jul 30, 2021 17:36:44 GMT -5
I would love that, that's actually what I'm looking for, because we already know all that other stuff, and I don't want novellas and SEs to tie into the plot, or to be about cats important to the plot, because the way I see it, a story is more than about just the plot. I care more about the characters than the plot, and SEs and novellas are supposed to be standalones anyway. Getting some backstory on Sandstorm, and by extension the other cats before before Firestar joined ThunderClan, and slightly after, like before Sandstorm accepted him would be great. So you're overall aiming for a story in a guide? Yeah, I guess so
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Post by Seven on Jul 30, 2021 18:23:02 GMT -5
On the topic of Sandstorm, her short story in Codes of the Clans was always cute to me. a Birchfall novella might be interesting
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 30, 2021 19:30:41 GMT -5
The parent of a main character I’d most like to see a book about is Goldenflower. I think a novella showing her relationship with Tigerstar could be interesting.
Of the three you listed, my first pick would be Sandstorm. A novella of her early apprenticeship, like others have said, and maybe a bit of her apprenticeship after Firepaw joined, could be interesting and we could see more of younger Dustpaw, Ravenpaw, and Graypaw (maybe Graykit still at the beginning?) too.
My next pick would then be Birchfall. His novella could maybe show his kithood/apprenticeship, as it could be nice to see his friendships with Applekit, Toadkit, and Marshkit on the journey and then his friendship and eventual relationship with Whitewing when she delayed her warrior ceremony to prevent him from being the only apprentice. Then I’d like it to have a timeskip to him in the Dark Forest, and maybe also show some good interactions with his daughters.
I honestly can’t think of a good story for Whitewing that wouldn’t be better seen from Birchfall’s POV, so I guess I’d rather Birchfall get a novella and she just be a major character.
I don’t know how good Birchfall’s novella would be, as we’ve seen probably most of the events that would be included, though not as in-depth I guess. I wouldn’t want them to do it like Pebbleshine’s, but Spotfur’s was a similar situation with it seeming like there wouldn’t be much new information to learn from the timeframe it was set in but it actually was quite enjoyable to me so I’d hope a novella for any of these characters would be closer to that than Pebbleshine’s.
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Post by Chicken on Jul 31, 2021 7:43:42 GMT -5
The parent of a main character I’d most like to see a book about is Goldenflower. I think a novella showing her relationship with Tigerstar could be interesting. Of the three you listed, my first pick would be Sandstorm. A novella of her early apprenticeship, like others have said, and maybe a bit of her apprenticeship after Firepaw joined, could be interesting and we could see more of younger Dustpaw, Ravenpaw, and Graypaw (maybe Graykit still at the beginning?) too. My next pick would then be Birchfall. His novella could maybe show his kithood/apprenticeship, as it could be nice to see his friendships with Applekit, Toadkit, and Marshkit on the journey and then his friendship and eventual relationship with Whitewing when she delayed her warrior ceremony to prevent him from being the only apprentice. Then I’d like it to have a timeskip to him in the Dark Forest, and maybe also show some good interactions with his daughters. I honestly can’t think of a good story for Whitewing that wouldn’t be better seen from Birchfall’s POV, so I guess I’d rather Birchfall get a novella and she just be a major character. I don’t know how good Birchfall’s novella would be, as we’ve seen probably most of the events that would be included, though not as in-depth I guess. I wouldn’t want them to do it like Pebbleshine’s, but Spotfur’s was a similar situation with it seeming like there wouldn’t be much new information to learn from the timeframe it was set in but it actually was quite enjoyable to me so I’d hope a novella for any of these characters would be closer to that than Pebbleshine’sz I agree with this entire post!
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Aug 1, 2021 10:43:48 GMT -5
I agree with Ivyfalcon as well. ^^
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Post by Chicken on Aug 1, 2021 11:33:23 GMT -5
I totally forgot to add Fernsong to this list, he really has gotten absolutely nothing, we didn't get to see any of his kithood or apprenticehood. Though, since Violetshine and Twigbranch are older than Bristlefrost, I think there might still be a chance for Fernsong.
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