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Post by roseberry on Jul 28, 2021 14:57:34 GMT -5
I personally prefer Cinderpelt, she's my favorite character
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Post by Chicken on Jul 28, 2021 15:19:56 GMT -5
Cinderpelt, but other than her saving Littlecloud and Whitethroat, she doesn't appeal to me much, and I really hate the fact that she was reborn or whatever out of every other cat, like what made her so special?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 28, 2021 15:29:17 GMT -5
not even a contest. cinderpelt is the best. edit: forgot to add here that the erins ruined her with their bias. like dont get me wrong, i love cinderpelt a lot too, but to bring her back for NO REASON in such a way with this half assed "shadowing/possesion" subplot? useless. absolutely useless and stupid. i hate what they did to cinderpelt because of cinderHEART.
cinderheart has no reason to exist AT ALL (i'd rather have molepaw and seedpaw back rather than her like wtf), her subplot drama was annoying, her melodramatic romance subplot with lionblaze was annoying, she had too many kits that lived meanwhile the erins used to kill dust x fern kits left and right back then, her kin is polluting thunderclan and has spread to graystripe's line with spotfur x stemleaf.
i hate cinderheart so much, it's not even funny. and on a side tangent, lilyheart is pretty much a cinderheart clone so i hate her too.
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Post by roseberry on Jul 28, 2021 16:22:31 GMT -5
not even a contest. cinderpelt is the best. edit: forgot to add here that the erins ruined her with their bias. like dont get me wrong, i love cinderpelt a lot too, but to bring her back for NO REASON in such a way with this half assed "shadowing/possesion" subplot? useless. absolutely useless and stupid. i hate what they did to cinderpelt because of cinderHEART. cinderheart has no reason to exist AT ALL (i'd rather have molepaw and seedpaw back rather than her like wtf), her subplot drama was annoying, her melodramatic romance subplot with lionblaze was annoying, she had too many kits that lived meanwhile the erins used to kill dust x fern kits left and right back then, her kin is polluting thunderclan and has spread to graystripe's line with spotfur x stemleaf. i hate cinderheart so much, it's not even funny. and on a side tangent, lilyheart is pretty much a cinderheart clone so i hate her too. I agree! Cinderheart to me was unnecessary. I think the Erins ran out of ideas and just went with whatever
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Post by roseberry on Jul 28, 2021 16:24:53 GMT -5
Cinderpelt, but other than her saving Littlecloud and Whitethroat, she doesn't appeal to me much, and I really hate the fact that she was reborn or whatever out of every other cat, like what made her so special? I think she's a good medicine cat and was. Her backstory was eventful, but that made her who she is. Her rebirth, though, was terrible. I still of course love Cinderpelt, but I think they should of ended her story there. Cinderpelt was a good cat with a good personality, but Cinderheart is just there.
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Post by Aqua on Jul 28, 2021 16:57:56 GMT -5
I actually like both a lot, but Cinderpelt is my favorite. Cinderheart really isn't as bad as people say she is. Sure, she complains a little bit about her destiny, but she was a good mentor to Ivypool, supports Lionblaze and makes sure he isn't hotheaded, names her kits after the deceased out of respect, and was a good friend to Hollyleaf.
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Post by Chicken on Jul 28, 2021 17:31:47 GMT -5
I actually like both a lot, but Cinderpelt is my favorite. Cinderheart really isn't as bad as people say she is. Sure, she complains a little bit about her destiny, but she was a good mentor to Ivypool, supports Lionblaze and makes sure he isn't hotheaded, names her kits after the deceased out of respect, and was a good friend to Hollyleaf. I know I complain about Cinderheart a lot, I think I complain about her more than anyone tbh, but I actually do like her as a character, I think she's really kind, loyal, intelligent, etc. However, I don't like the drama that surrounded her in OOTS and the fact that she's Cinderpelt reincarnated or being possessed by Cinderpelt, or whatever was going on. I think if she wasn't this important character in POT/OOTS, I'd like her more.
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Post by Rainfire on Jul 28, 2021 17:44:35 GMT -5
I really like both! I prefer Cinderpelt, but I like Cinderheart, too.
I loved her personality in POT and her relationships with Jayfeather and Hollyleaf in that arc. I sorta lost interest in her after POT, when the Cinderpelt-spirit stuff became more prominent and because of LionCinder(which I like as a ship, I just don't care for the way it was written in OOTS), but I still think she's cool.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 28, 2021 17:48:56 GMT -5
That single vote up there for Cinderheart? That's me. That's all I'm gonna say.
EDIT: Wait, now there's another one, the heck? I thought I was special. XD
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 28, 2021 18:29:54 GMT -5
Cinderheart. People tend to overlook her good qualities over the Lionblaze and destiny drama- like her friendship with Hollyleaf, her mentoring of Ivypool, and her really compassionate personality. I remember more of Cinderheart than I do of Cinderpelt so I like her more.
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Post by Aqua on Jul 28, 2021 18:48:35 GMT -5
Cinderheart. People tend to overlook her good qualities over the Lionblaze and destiny drama- like her friendship with Hollyleaf, her mentoring of Ivypool, and her really compassionate personality. I remember more of Cinderheart than I do of Cinderpelt so I like her more. They really do. There's a lot more to Cinderheart's character other than her complaining about her destiny. She has a healthy relationship with Lionblaze as well, and you can tell both really love each other. LionxCinder is one of my favorite couples out there. It's developed, she makes sure Lionblaze isn't hotheaded, and I think it's pretty cute that they named their kits after the deceased. Not to mention Cinderheart was very motherly and understanding with Ivypaw and her jealousy over Dovepaw. She was willing to bust her ass off for Ivypaw to feel better about herself and she was also the first one to notice the two sisters were fighting over something. Cinderheart is also a good listener, and she was always there for Hollyleaf and never judged her for killing Ashfur. She was still there for her even after what she did. But she was also brutally honest as well, asking Hollyleaf why she told the Clans the truth and said it wasn't worth it. I really like Cinderheart. There's so much more to her character, but people don't look into that and complain about her drama about her destiny. She's always been one of my favorite minor characters, and that never changed over the years.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 28, 2021 20:54:42 GMT -5
I liked both. I like Cinderpelt more though. I think so much was going on in OotS that there could have been something nice going on with the Cinderpelt/heart plot, but it just ... wasn't done well. //shrugs// At the end of the day, Cinderpelt seemed pretty cool.
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Post by roseberry on Jul 28, 2021 21:13:26 GMT -5
I actually like both a lot, but Cinderpelt is my favorite. Cinderheart really isn't as bad as people say she is. Sure, she complains a little bit about her destiny, but she was a good mentor to Ivypool, supports Lionblaze and makes sure he isn't hotheaded, names her kits after the deceased out of respect, and was a good friend to Hollyleaf. Good answer! I agree a bit, I still don't exactly love Cinderheart though. I love the answer though!
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Post by roseberry on Jul 28, 2021 21:15:00 GMT -5
Cinderheart. People tend to overlook her good qualities over the Lionblaze and destiny drama- like her friendship with Hollyleaf, her mentoring of Ivypool, and her really compassionate personality. I remember more of Cinderheart than I do of Cinderpelt so I like her more. Good answer! I like the thought you actually put into Cinderheart's personality.
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Post by roseberry on Jul 28, 2021 21:15:48 GMT -5
I liked both. I like Cinderpelt more though. I think so much was going on in OotS that there could have been something nice going on with the Cinderpelt/heart plot, but it just ... wasn't done well. //shrugs// At the end of the day, Cinderpelt seemed pretty cool. Agreed! I feel like Cinderheart should have some kind of moment where she could do something big.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jul 29, 2021 5:07:01 GMT -5
I like them both a lot. Though I prefer Cinderpelt I voted Cinderheart because she needs more love.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jul 29, 2021 5:19:35 GMT -5
I personally like Cinderpelt a lot better.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 29, 2021 9:42:30 GMT -5
Cinderheart doesn't have her own characterization outside of being Lion's mate and being Cinderpelt's "reincarnation". So the fact that her arc tried to center around "inner identity conflicts" made her come off as flat, cause there was no identity in the first place...
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Post by Aqua on Jul 29, 2021 11:40:16 GMT -5
Cinderheart doesn't have her own characterization outside of being Lion's mate and being Cinderpelt's "reincarnation". So the fact that her arc tried to center around "inner identity conflicts" made her come off as flat, cause there was no identity in the first place... But... there's a lot more to Cinderheart's character outside of being "the mate for Lionblaze" though. She was a good friend to Hollyleaf and listened to Ivypool about her feelings for Dovewing. She also makes a good medicine cat (though this is because of her memories, so I guess that doesn't count) and she cares a lot about Jayfeather and wants to help him. It feels like people just overlook a lot of this because she's Lionblaze's mate when she's so much more than that..
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 29, 2021 11:49:06 GMT -5
Cinderheart doesn't have her own characterization outside of being Lion's mate and being Cinderpelt's "reincarnation". So the fact that her arc tried to center around "inner identity conflicts" made her come off as flat, cause there was no identity in the first place... But... there's a lot more to Cinderheart's character outside of being "the mate for Lionblaze" though. She was a good friend to Hollyleaf and listened to Ivypool about her feelings for Dovewing. She also makes a good medicine cat (though this is because of her memories, so I guess that doesn't count) and she cares a lot about Jayfeather and wants to help him. It feels like people just overlook a lot of this because she's Lionblaze's mate when she's so much more than that.. Her friendship with Hollyleaf was forgotten in the narrative after Hollyleaf ran off (they barely had interactions after Hollyleaf returned too), and arguably, CinderLion wasn't even set up yet in POT, and didn't become a canonly confirmed thing until more towards OotS, so after Hollyleaf ran off. Her interactions with Ivypool were barely even significant, they were expected in general considering she is Ivypool's mentor. And the medicine cat thing goes right back into the Cinderpelt reincarnation plot, same with her wanting to help Jayfeather because of it. The only real outside force she ever had as a character before it became all about being Lion's mate and the ridiculous Cinderpelt plot, was her friendship with Hollyleaf, which like I already pointed out just went "poof". As of now, is there really anything actually significant about Cinderheart's character right now, outside of being Lion's mate? Cause she even lost the reincarnation sub-plot after OotS, so...yeah. Cinderheart doesn't have her own agency as a character outside of Lionblaze, and anything she does in TBC is in association to Lion's character and indistinguishable than any other background character, so quite replaceable.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 29, 2021 13:59:28 GMT -5
But... there's a lot more to Cinderheart's character outside of being "the mate for Lionblaze" though. She was a good friend to Hollyleaf and listened to Ivypool about her feelings for Dovewing. She also makes a good medicine cat (though this is because of her memories, so I guess that doesn't count) and she cares a lot about Jayfeather and wants to help him. It feels like people just overlook a lot of this because she's Lionblaze's mate when she's so much more than that.. Her friendship with Hollyleaf was forgotten in the narrative after Hollyleaf ran off (they barely had interactions after Hollyleaf returned too), and arguably, CinderLion wasn't even set up yet in POT, and didn't become a canonly confirmed thing until more towards OotS, so after Hollyleaf ran off. Her interactions with Ivypool were barely even significant, they were expected in general considering she is Ivypool's mentor. And the medicine cat thing goes right back into the Cinderpelt reincarnation plot, same with her wanting to help Jayfeather because of it. The only real outside force she ever had as a character before it became all about being Lion's mate and the ridiculous Cinderpelt plot, was her friendship with Hollyleaf, which like I already pointed out just went "poof". As of now, is there really anything actually significant about Cinderheart's character right now, outside of being Lion's mate? Cause she even lost the reincarnation sub-plot after OotS, so...yeah. Cinderheart doesn't have her own agency as a character outside of Lionblaze, and anything she does in TBC is in association to Lion's character and indistinguishable than any other background character, so quite replaceable. so true. they had all of po3 to set up the ground work for lionxcinder after lion's drama with heathertail, but i dont remember if they ever did? and cinderheart's significance is always about other cats. she was only "important" because of cinderpelt, and leafpool and jayfeather obsessing over her because of that plot device (which lead no where but thats another topic entirely). her injury didn't mean anything either because its just a repeat of cinderpelt (and again, this is the only reason why leaf and jay were so focused on her for a bit in po3). lion and cinder were mentors together, sure, but they didnt have a special bond until after hollyleaf ran away. and once again the series forgot a platonic friendship, and cinderheart becomes the next sorreltail and would rather focus on her mate than her supposed friend...RIP. everything about cinderheart is hinged on other characters and not herself on her own merits.
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Post by Chicken on Jul 29, 2021 14:27:59 GMT -5
Her friendship with Hollyleaf was forgotten in the narrative after Hollyleaf ran off (they barely had interactions after Hollyleaf returned too), and arguably, CinderLion wasn't even set up yet in POT, and didn't become a canonly confirmed thing until more towards OotS, so after Hollyleaf ran off. Her interactions with Ivypool were barely even significant, they were expected in general considering she is Ivypool's mentor. And the medicine cat thing goes right back into the Cinderpelt reincarnation plot, same with her wanting to help Jayfeather because of it. The only real outside force she ever had as a character before it became all about being Lion's mate and the ridiculous Cinderpelt plot, was her friendship with Hollyleaf, which like I already pointed out just went "poof". As of now, is there really anything actually significant about Cinderheart's character right now, outside of being Lion's mate? Cause she even lost the reincarnation sub-plot after OotS, so...yeah. Cinderheart doesn't have her own agency as a character outside of Lionblaze, and anything she does in TBC is in association to Lion's character and indistinguishable than any other background character, so quite replaceable. so true. they had all of po3 to set up the ground work for lionxcinder after lion's drama with heathertail, but i dont remember if they ever did? and cinderheart's significance is always about other cats. she was only "important" because of cinderpelt, and leafpool and jayfeather obsessing over her because of that plot device (which lead no where but thats another topic entirely). her injury didn't mean anything either because its just a repeat of cinderpelt (and again, this is the only reason why leaf and jay were so focused on her for a bit in po3). lion and cinder were mentors together, sure, but they didnt have a special bond until after hollyleaf ran away. and once again the series forgot a platonic friendship, and cinderheart becomes the next sorreltail and would rather focus on her mate than her supposed friend...RIP. everything about cinderheart is hinged on other characters and not herself on her own merits. I agree, however, she still seems like a nice and caring cat despite that, like in Spotfur's Rebellion, she was pretty great, but that's nothing more than any other background character.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 30, 2021 14:34:02 GMT -5
Cinderpelt is one of my comfort characters so she wins by default. Cinderheart was just an unnecessary rebirth of her.
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