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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 11:29:17 GMT -5
Why is that most of the time, prophecies are for like only for like one clan or one or two bloodlines? What makes Firestar and Tigerstar's families (mostly Firestar though) so special? And even after years of noticing how special his family is, why do the clans still act rude to them? Obviously, their precious StarClan favors then the most, so by all intends and purposes, they should be like super important and respected right? Also, prophecies tend to cause more harm than good, look how many cats are left out, hurt, and even killed because of them. Look how quickly the clans were willing to turn on two kits because of the prophecy. Ravenwing exposed Mapleshade's treachery because of an omen, which I know is different than what I'm ranting about but still.
Oh and here's another thing, why can't this series move on from the SAME family? I know Firestar was the original character, but it's called WARRIORS not FIRESTAR'S LEGACY or TALES FROM THUNDERCLAN (but only focusing on one family).
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 20, 2021 14:12:35 GMT -5
i agree. all the important plots , prophecies/omens, and protags come from thunderclan, shadowclan, and skyclan. it used to be just thunderclan, now it's expanded to shadowclan and now skyclan (with tree and rootspring's powers and rootspring's involement and role as protag in the TBC plot).
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Post by Katanaheart on Jul 20, 2021 14:38:23 GMT -5
Likely marketing, as long as we include something related to ThunderClan or Firestar, there’s a chance some older fan could be interested and pick up the books again. It’s hard to abandon starting labels and the like. It’s why Pokemon always has something for Pikachu, Charizard, or something Kanto related. Or why Agumon has two separate lines that end up important in a later Digimon show. (I have no idea why that second example came to my head.) But more recognizable labels means possibility to reel in older fans.
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Post by Snowfire on Jul 20, 2021 14:55:31 GMT -5
I'm surprised that the only cats in the main arcs that are involved in a prophecy are Twigbranch and Violetshine.
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Jul 20, 2021 15:04:47 GMT -5
Why is that most of the time, prophecies are for like only for like one clan or one or two bloodlines? What makes Firestar and Tigerstar's families (mostly Firestar though) so special? And even after years of noticing how special his family is, why do the clans still act rude to them? Obviously, their precious StarClan favors then the most, so by all intends and purposes, they should be like super important and respected right? Also, prophecies tend to cause more harm than good, look how many cats are left out, hurt, and even killed because of them. Look how quickly the clans were willing to turn on two kits because of the prophecy. Ravenwing exposed Mapleshade's treachery because of an omen, which I know is different than what I'm ranting about but still. Oh and here's another thing, why can't this series move on from the SAME family? I know Firestar was the original character, but it's called WARRIORS not FIRESTAR'S LEGACY or TALES FROM THUNDERCLAN (but only focusing on one family). I totally agree! I feel like we need more WindClan and RiverClan involvement, but also, within ThunderClan, the Erins should move on from Firekin. What would be cool is an arc that is totally centered around RiverClan. Actually, I've been saying this for a long time! Lionblaze's kits are the real problem. Hollytuft, Snaptooth, and Flywhisker don't need to exist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 16:04:30 GMT -5
I'm surprised that the only cats in the main arcs that are involved in a prophecy are Twigbranch and Violetshine. Did you miss every arc leading up to AVOS?
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Post by Snowfire on Jul 20, 2021 17:51:38 GMT -5
I'm surprised that the only cats in the main arcs that are involved in a prophecy are Twigbranch and Violetshine. Did you miss every arc leading up to AVOS? Oops, I must’ve worded that poorly, I mean cats that aren’t Firekin that are part of a prophecy in the main arcs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 17:55:07 GMT -5
Did you miss every arc leading up to AVOS? Oops, I must’ve worded that poorly, I mean cats that aren’t Firekin that are part of a prophecy in the main arcs. Ohh! I see XD Watch, in the next arc it'll be revealed that they are related to him lol
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Post by Katanaheart on Jul 20, 2021 18:04:49 GMT -5
Did you miss every arc leading up to AVOS? Oops, I must’ve worded that poorly, I mean cats that aren’t Firekin that are part of a prophecy in the main arcs. Feathertail, Crowfeather, and technically neither Tawnypelt or Brambleclaw at the time were Firekin. No one in the second arc’s prophecies were firekin at the time of the first prophecy. (An exception could be made for Brambleclaw since he was trained by Firestar though but that’s about it.) This similarity does not extend to the subject of TNP’s second prophecy which features Hawkfrost. Other than TNP and AVOS, the prophecies are heavily skewed towards Firekin.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 20, 2021 18:44:25 GMT -5
Oops, I must’ve worded that poorly, I mean cats that aren’t Firekin that are part of a prophecy in the main arcs. Feathertail, Crowfeather, and technically neither Tawnypelt or Brambleclaw at the time were Firekin. No one in the second arc’s prophecies were firekin at the time of the first prophecy. (An exception could be made for Brambleclaw since he was trained by Firestar though but that’s about it.) This similarity does not extend to the subject of TNP’s second prophecy which features Hawkfrost. Other than TNP and AVOS, the prophecies are heavily skewed towards Firekin. they're all connected to firestar/thunderclan in some way though. feathertail and stormfur: the kits of firestar's best friend graystripe. they are half thunderclan. tawnypelt and brambleclaw: are both t hunderclan by blood. and since firekin AND tigerkin get bias toward them, these 2 count. out of all shadowclan cats, they had to pick the one who's thunderclan by blood and is also tigerkin just like brambleclaw? and brambleclaw is firestar's daughter's love interest, as well as firestar's own apprentice too. everyone in TNP has a tie to either firestar or tigerstar, and/or to thunderclan
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Post by Katanaheart on Jul 20, 2021 19:14:47 GMT -5
Feathertail, Crowfeather, and technically neither Tawnypelt or Brambleclaw at the time were Firekin. No one in the second arc’s prophecies were firekin at the time of the first prophecy. (An exception could be made for Brambleclaw since he was trained by Firestar though but that’s about it.) This similarity does not extend to the subject of TNP’s second prophecy which features Hawkfrost. Other than TNP and AVOS, the prophecies are heavily skewed towards Firekin. they're all connected to firestar/thunderclan in some way though. feathertail and stormfur: the kits of firestar's best friend graystripe. they are half thunderclan. tawnypelt and brambleclaw: are both t hunderclan by blood. and since firekin AND tigerkin get bias toward them, these 2 count. out of all shadowclan cats, they had to pick the one who's thunderclan by blood and is also tigerkin just like brambleclaw? and brambleclaw is firestar's daughter's love interest, as well as firestar's own apprentice too. everyone in TNP has a tie to either firestar or tigerstar, and/or to thunderclan I also mentioned at the time of TNP. Which cancels out Crowfeather completely, as he had no connection to Firekin till after the prophecy was over. (Tiger Kin also had no biases at this period in time so it can’t really be used in an argument within relation to just TNP. This occurred later with Tawny’s children gaining relevance.) Feathertail also had little interaction with Firestar and ThunderClan after The Darkest Hour and the arrival of the prophecy. (Yes, while she is the daughter of Graystripe. This doesn’t grant her any perks at the time of the TNP, she isn’t even in a Clan with her father and is seen as a loyal RiverClan cat.) Tawnypelt being selected and proving her loyalty to ShadowClan and that she is beyond Tigerstar I and TC has been rather consistent since TNP. So pointing out her ThunderClan blood Kinda defeats the purpose of her entire arc, especially within the context of The New Prophecy as the only cat who said no to the Dark Forest right off the bat.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jul 20, 2021 21:04:57 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't mind that prophecies mostly focus on two bloodlines. The problem is that the ones from POT and beyond are not well done.
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