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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 12:47:36 GMT -5
Out of all the forbidden romances in the series, which one is your least favorite? For me it would have to be Crowfeather x Leafpool, no doubt about it and here is why.
1. It came out of nowhere, Leafpool just spotted Crowfeather looking glum, and suddenly she was all in love with him?
2. Neither of them took accountability, and kept getting other cats involved in their issues. I know Leafpool stepped down as a medicine cat, but that was only after the truth was revealed, and I think it would have been better, if she had waited and faced the music, instead of taking accountability into her own paws. Crowfeather is 10x worse though, he believes he did no wrong, and he deserves to be deputy just because his parents were, and that he gave up sooo much for WindClan.
3. Unlike the other forbidden relationships in this series, Leafpool wasn't planning on coming clean, she was planning on never telling Crowfeather that he had children, and that's not right. I understand she was afraid of the clan backlash for the kits, but did she really believe that a clan under Firestar's leadership would do that? I know Mousefur, Dustpelt, Thornclaw, and Spiderleg were a little not so nice to the idea, but it's not like four cats against however many were in ThunderClan at the time could do much. And look, did they? No. How many times has Hollyleaf, Lionblaze, and Jayfeather been hated on in ThunderClan due to their parentage since the truth was revealed? I know Breezepelt hates them, but that's a whole different can of worms.
4. Everything they did is excused due to "fate" and Spottedleaf's vague thing about Leafpool following her heart. Which leads me to say, if Leafpool was a loyal medicine cat, following her heart would be with her clan. Though, in the end, she did choose her clan over Crowfeather, but I still hate this relationship because of all the points listed above.
TL;DR: I strongly despise Crowfeather x Leafpool, because it was a baseless relationship, that affected the lives of several cats around them, and only Leafpool slightly took accountability for their actions, and it gets excused too much due to vague messages from StarClan and dumb "destiny".
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 17, 2021 12:57:57 GMT -5
dove x tiger. the most annoying, insufferable, and horrendous waste of time in the entire series. at least leaf x crow got punished and publically called out for it. that was a consequence, no matter how people slice it ("they didnt get punished enough" or "they didnt really get punished" even though public humiliation *is* a form of punishment, and leafpool punished herself by quitting the job she loved).
dove x tiger though? they fought a lot, dragged out their "will they, wont they" drama, couldnt even decide if they truly loved one another since they couldnt pick between their mate or their clan, which if proof enough of how horrible they were for each other in OotS-AVOS. now no one is ever going to call them out, and neither will get punished because: 1) dovewing ran away without telling anyone, and never faced consequence for it; 2) her mate becomes the leader of shadowclan, and thus no one will dare speak against him now that he's in power and he can do what he wants.
i hate so much how dove x tiger got to have their cake and eat it too. no public humiliation. no angry glares or murmurs about them. all because tigerheart became leader and no one would dare point out how hypocritical and selfish he was getting there in the first place. and dovewing made rude comments about her home clan once she became a shadowclan cat. like talk about rude...it's bad enough she is a traitor and hurt everyone in her clan, but to insult her home clan in favor of her new clan...? just because her mate is leader? to me, it came off as so entilted and out of touch with reality. she was awful for that one comment she made...
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Jul 17, 2021 13:02:05 GMT -5
Graystripe and Silverstream for me. I absolutely hated what it did to Graystripe, though Silverstream was really no better. Not to mention how rushed it was. I don't care if their relationship developed in the background, Graystripe was still clearly attracted to her from the moment he met her and they're already an item by the time Fireheart discovers them only a few days later.
Tigerheart x Dovewing is another one, especially with how dragged out it was. And if it weren't for the series continuing after TLH, I'd even call it unnecessary, since it barely affected the plot of OotS. They could've just been friends and nothing would've changed. But unlike Gray x Silver, at least these two developed a friendship before falling for each other first.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 13:02:18 GMT -5
แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโYou're right, I used to not mind Tiger x Dove, since it didn't take up much of the plot, and they came clean before anyone was really affected too badly. However, it's extremely annoying that they got to have their cake and eat it too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 13:04:17 GMT -5
Graystripe and Silverstream for me. I absolutely hated what it did to Graystripe, though Silverstream was really no better. Not to mention how rushed it was. I don't care if their relationship developed in the background, Graystripe was still clearly attracted to her from the moment he met her and they're already an item by the time Fireheart discovers them only a few days later. Tigerheart x Dovewing is another one, especially with how dragged out it was. And if it weren't for the series continuing after TLH, I'd even call it unnecessary, since it barely affected the plot of OotS. They could've just been friends and nothing would've changed. I agree completely about Graystripe and Silverstream, not to mention, how she still visits him from StarClan even though his mate is right there. I understand that Silverstream is a cat who Graystripe was close to, but his mother is also in StarClan, so it's not like Silverstream is the only cat, but that's a topic for another day.
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 17, 2021 13:04:48 GMT -5
แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ You're right, I used to not mind Tiger x Dove, since it didn't take up much of the plot, and they came clean before anyone was really affected too badly. However, it's extremely annoying that they got to have their cake and eat it too. eh we can agree to disagree on the "didnt take up much plot." most of dovewing's POV was related to tigerheart in some way. whether it was comparing bumble to tiger constantly, or when she fought with ivy about him, etc. dovewing's POV in OotS was constantly full of drama, love drama (with both tiger and bumble) being the biggest one next to sibling drama. all i remember her doing is going to the tribe with foxleap and then not doing anything in the final battle lmao
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Post by cygna on Jul 17, 2021 13:07:25 GMT -5
Apart from MapleApple and YellowRagged my least favorite was LeafCrow. I could not stand how dysfunctional they were given Crowfeather's previous beautiful happy relationship.
I didn't care for them in TNP but I didn't hate them then it was all entirely after that I hated them.
I didn't like especially that Leafpool never told him about the three, leaving him out of their children's lives completely while she gets to be their cool medicine cat aunt who's basically a second mother to them.
I was also terribly mad at Leafpool for confessing her love for him when he tells her "You chose your clan. Remember." in front of HIS MATE. Yes Crowfeather did not love Nightcloud but it does not change the fact that what Leafpool did was terribly disrespectful given that Crowfeather's SON was there too.
TigerDove is exceptionally bad too but apart from Ivypool thankfully no one got hurt too badly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 13:11:02 GMT -5
แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ You're right, I used to not mind Tiger x Dove, since it didn't take up much of the plot, and they came clean before anyone was really affected too badly. However, it's extremely annoying that they got to have their cake and eat it too. eh we can agree to disagree on the "didnt take up much plot." most of dovewing's POV was related to tigerheart in some way. whether it was comparing bumble to tiger constantly, or when she fought with ivy about him, etc. dovewing's POV in OotS was constantly full of drama, love drama (with both tiger and bumble) being the biggest one next to sibling drama. all i remember her doing is going to the tribe with foxleap and then not doing anything in the final battle lmao Oh XD my reading comprehension sucks, because I miss most of the big stuff or like I just don't notice it in the first place. Honestly, other than Dovewing feeling left out, sneaking into WindClan to see Sedgewhisker, overhearing Brackenfur and Sorreltail talking, racing both Toadstep and Bumblestripe and winning, I don't really remember much about her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 13:13:45 GMT -5
Apart from MapleApple and YellowRagged my least favorite was LeafCrow. I could not stand how dysfunctional they were given Crowfeather's previous beautiful happy relationship. I didn't care for them in TNP but I didn't hate them then it was all entirely after that I hated them. I didn't like especially that Leafpool never told him about the three, leaving him out of their children's lives completely while she gets to be their cool medicine cat aunt who's basically a second mother to them. I was also terribly mad at Leafpool for confessing her love for him when he tells her "You chose your clan. Remember." in front of HIS MATE. Yes Crowfeather did not love Nightcloud but it does not change the fact that what Leafpool did was terribly disrespectful given that Crowfeather's SON was there too. TigerDove is exceptionally bad too but apart from Ivypool thankfully no one got hurt too badly. Dude, I didn't even remember Leafpool confessing her love to Crowfeather in front of Nightcloud and Breezepelt. I'm sorry, but that is incredibly selfish of her, I don't think she'd like it much if she was on the other side. I understand that Nightcloud and Breezepelt weren't that kind to her, but seriously, to do that, especially in front of two grieving cats whose world has just been turned upside down due to her actions, just seems cruel to me. Or maybe she's just not thinking, but still.. This gives me another reason to dislike Leafpool.
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Post by ๐ฅFirestar๐ฅ on Jul 17, 2021 13:13:48 GMT -5
Graystripe x Silverstream. Both acted like irresponsable brats, they refused to take any responsability for their actions, it ruined a good character, it was extremely unhealthy in both sides, and it was terribly rushed; Silverstream just saved him and he's suddenly he's head over heels for her and madly in love. It gets terribly shoved down our throats when they barely had chemistry. Most annoying forbbiden romance ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 13:22:30 GMT -5
Graystripe x Silverstream. Both acted like irresponsable brats, they refused to take any responsability for their actions, it ruined a good character, it was extremely unhealthy in both sides, and it was terribly rushed; Silverstream just saved him and he's suddenly he's head over heels for her and madly in love. It gets terribly shoved down our throats when they barely had chemistry. Most annoying forbbiden romance ever. You're absolutely right. Silverstream x Graystripe is probably mid-tier on my list though, since they did suffer devastating results from it.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Jul 17, 2021 13:25:46 GMT -5
Graystripe and Silverstream for me. I absolutely hated what it did to Graystripe, though Silverstream was really no better. Not to mention how rushed it was. I don't care if their relationship developed in the background, Graystripe was still clearly attracted to her from the moment he met her and they're already an item by the time Fireheart discovers them only a few days later. Tigerheart x Dovewing is another one, especially with how dragged out it was. And if it weren't for the series continuing after TLH, I'd even call it unnecessary, since it barely affected the plot of OotS. They could've just been friends and nothing would've changed. I agree completely about Graystripe and Silverstream, not to mention, how she still visits him from StarClan even though his mate is right there. I understand that Silverstream is a cat who Graystripe was close to, but his mother is also in StarClan, so it's not like Silverstream is the only cat, but that's a topic for another day. I personally don't mind it, since it doesn't mean Graystripe loves Millie any less and GV even confirms that he loves both of them. Besides, unlike Spottedleaf, Silverstream is actually helpful, and I think the books imply that she doesn't visit that often anyway, or at least not as much Spottedleaf does with Firestar and his kin. Granted, we've only gotten Graystripe's PoV twice and it's mentioned in his manga that he's seen Silverstream in his dreams before, but I think the fact that we really only see this twice in the first part of the mangaโwith the second time being when she's convincing him to find his Clan and go with Millie, no lessโis probably telling. Oh, also, another forbidden romance I hate is RaggedxYellow. He was so toxic and manipulative, I really wonder what Yellowfang saw in him in the first place. It gave us Brokenstar, so the relationship was at least integral to the plot, and I guess it explains why she was so dismissive of Ashfur's actions, but still.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 13:31:18 GMT -5
I agree completely about Graystripe and Silverstream, not to mention, how she still visits him from StarClan even though his mate is right there. I understand that Silverstream is a cat who Graystripe was close to, but his mother is also in StarClan, so it's not like Silverstream is the only cat, but that's a topic for another day. I personally don't mind it, since it doesn't mean Graystripe loves Millie any less and GV even confirms that he loves both of them. Besides, unlike Spottedleaf, Silverstream is actually helpful, and I think the books imply that she doesn't visit that often anyway, or at least not as much Spottedleaf does with Firestar and his kin. Granted, we've only gotten Graystripe's PoV twice and it's mentioned in his manga that he's seen Silverstream in his dreams before, but I think the fact that we really only see this twice in the first part of the mangaโwith the second time being when she's convincing him to find his Clan and go with Millie, no lessโis probably telling. Oh, also, another forbidden romance I hate is RaggedxYellow. He was so toxic and manipulative, I really wonder what Yellowfang saw in him in the first place. It gave us Brokenstar, so the relationship was at least integral to the plot, and I guess it explains why she was so dismissive of Ashfur's actions, but still. Oh yeah, that's true, I think most of it is I wish they'd have more StarClan guides rather than just the same old ones, even if it doesn't really add much to the story, I just don't understand why there are so many characters, but they only focus on a few. Ugh, I hate Ragged x Yellow, I found no point in making him a jerk, but maybe you have a point about it explaining Yellowfang being so dismissive, so maybe it was on purpose, but I strongly doubt it, but who knows?
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Post by cygna on Jul 17, 2021 14:02:31 GMT -5
Apart from MapleApple and YellowRagged my least favorite was LeafCrow. I could not stand how dysfunctional they were given Crowfeather's previous beautiful happy relationship. I didn't care for them in TNP but I didn't hate them then it was all entirely after that I hated them. I didn't like especially that Leafpool never told him about the three, leaving him out of their children's lives completely while she gets to be their cool medicine cat aunt who's basically a second mother to them. I was also terribly mad at Leafpool for confessing her love for him when he tells her "You chose your clan. Remember." in front of HIS MATE. Yes Crowfeather did not love Nightcloud but it does not change the fact that what Leafpool did was terribly disrespectful given that Crowfeather's SON was there too. TigerDove is exceptionally bad too but apart from Ivypool thankfully no one got hurt too badly. Dude, I didn't even remember Leafpool confessing her love to Crowfeather in front of Nightcloud and Breezepelt. I'm sorry, but that is incredibly selfish of her, I don't think she'd like it much if she was on the other side. I understand that Nightcloud and Breezepelt weren't that kind to her, but seriously, to do that, especially in front of two grieving cats whose world has just been turned upside down due to her actions, just seems cruel to me. Or maybe she's just not thinking, but still.. This gives me another reason to dislike Leafpool. I believe this was the instance that Lionblaze and Breezepelt were fighting over a pigeon and Leafpool told Crowfeather to stop them. I believe she also had the audacity to tell him "how could you let your sons fight?" and when he tells her that she chose ThunderClan over him she says "But that doesn't mean I didn't love you." causing Nightcloud to pull Crowfeather away, and then he attacks Nightcould and then Breezepelt is actually described as wailing? Yeah it was incredibly rude of Leafpool and what she said seriously put Breezepelt in a situation where he had to stop his parents from fighting, which is horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 14:06:08 GMT -5
Dude, I didn't even remember Leafpool confessing her love to Crowfeather in front of Nightcloud and Breezepelt. I'm sorry, but that is incredibly selfish of her, I don't think she'd like it much if she was on the other side. I understand that Nightcloud and Breezepelt weren't that kind to her, but seriously, to do that, especially in front of two grieving cats whose world has just been turned upside down due to her actions, just seems cruel to me. Or maybe she's just not thinking, but still.. This gives me another reason to dislike Leafpool. I believe this was the instance that Lionblaze and Breezepelt were fighting over a pigeon and Leafpool told Crowfeather to stop them. I believe she also had the audacity to tell him "how could you let your sons fight?" and when he tells her that she chose ThunderClan over him she says "But that doesn't mean I didn't love you." causing Nightcloud to pull Crowfeather away, and then he attacks Nightcould and then Breezepelt is actually described as wailing? Yeah it was incredibly rude of Leafpool and what she said seriously put Breezepelt in a situation where he had to stop his parents from fighting, which is horrible. Yikes! I'm glad Leafpool at least matured some as she got older, but wow.
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Post by Mothdapple on Jul 17, 2021 17:25:51 GMT -5
GraySilver is my least favorite, unpopular opinion but my favorite is BlueOak.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 18:16:57 GMT -5
GraySilver is my least favorite, unpopular opinion but my favorite is BlueOak. I really do like Blue x Oak in StarClan, and I love how stand up of a guy Oakheart was regarding the kits and Bluestar's feelings. However, I don't like the fact that Bluestar broke two codes (the forbidden romance/putting a kit in danger), as well as the emotional turmoil she put her clanmates through, especially Thrushpelt who genuinely loved those kits, by making them all believe they'd been taken by foxes. Another thing is, it didn't seem to be more much than a one night stand, it's like Bluestar thinks Oakheart is arrogant, and then they're all into each other but only for one night, but I guess their relationship is strong and they really love each other since they're mates in StarClan. Oakheart also seems to be more level-headed than Crowfeather and Reedfeather too, which is also a difference in how they parted, I think.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jul 18, 2021 6:51:30 GMT -5
Firestar and Spottedleaf, if that counts.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 18, 2021 7:06:31 GMT -5
TigerDove. What an annoying, aggravating and awful ship.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jul 18, 2021 7:31:45 GMT -5
Apart from MapleApple and YellowRagged my least favorite was LeafCrow. I could not stand how dysfunctional they were given Crowfeather's previous beautiful happy relationship. I didn't care for them in TNP but I didn't hate them then it was all entirely after that I hated them. I didn't like especially that Leafpool never told him about the three, leaving him out of their children's lives completely while she gets to be their cool medicine cat aunt who's basically a second mother to them. I was also terribly mad at Leafpool for confessing her love for him when he tells her "You chose your clan. Remember." in front of HIS MATE. Yes Crowfeather did not love Nightcloud but it does not change the fact that what Leafpool did was terribly disrespectful given that Crowfeather's SON was there too. TigerDove is exceptionally bad too but apart from Ivypool thankfully no one got hurt too badly. Dude, I didn't even remember Leafpool confessing her love to Crowfeather in front of Nightcloud and Breezepelt. I'm sorry, but that is incredibly selfish of her, I don't think she'd like it much if she was on the other side. I understand that Nightcloud and Breezepelt weren't that kind to her, but seriously, to do that, especially in front of two grieving cats whose world has just been turned upside down due to her actions, just seems cruel to me. Or maybe she's just not thinking, but still.. This gives me another reason to dislike Leafpool.ย Still, Crowfeather kind of deserved it for being disloyal to his Clan by running away with Leafpool. As for him "not being involved in his kit's lives", that's normal for toms; it's been stated by many cats in the series, she-cats and toms alike, that kits belong with their mothers, as they need to be nursed and, besides, a father would make an inferior parent anyway. This is not to mention that Crowfeather was from a different Clan, so she probably didn't want her kits to grow up being disloyal or ashamed of their heritage. (I haven't read PO3 yet, so I'm assuming they didn't have a clue who their father was.)
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 18, 2021 7:33:38 GMT -5
besides, a father would make an inferior parent anyway. There's so much I want to say about this one line but I'm just gonna go :/// to it...
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 18, 2021 7:46:28 GMT -5
Firestar and Spottedleaf I'm hurt that so many of you despise LeafCrow :'(
Anyway FireSpotted is dragged on too long. Firestar has already moved on now but Spottedleaf is too clingy, "stalking" his descendants. I just think it's weird, very strange that she just has to appear in Firestar's descendant's dreams. Firestar's child crush should've been a child crush, not a Romeo and Juliet. I hate the drama it caused and just their whole relationship, which had no base and doesn't make any sense at all makes me despise the relationship.
At least Leafpool x Crowfeather and all the baseless relationships had some interactions before it was confirmed. Firepaw and Spottedleaf had four interactions, with more than half of them with Firepaw asking for herbs.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Jul 18, 2021 7:55:21 GMT -5
besides, a father would make an inferior parent anyway. There's so much I want to say about this one line but I'm just gonna go :/// to it... I'm in full agreement with you on that, Brindlefern. What a bold statement to make.
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Post by downfalls on Jul 18, 2021 12:22:44 GMT -5
tigerdove, leafcrow, yellowragged, mapleapple and lionheather
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 13:34:12 GMT -5
Dude, I didn't even remember Leafpool confessing her love to Crowfeather in front of Nightcloud and Breezepelt. I'm sorry, but that is incredibly selfish of her, I don't think she'd like it much if she was on the other side. I understand that Nightcloud and Breezepelt weren't that kind to her, but seriously, to do that, especially in front of two grieving cats whose world has just been turned upside down due to her actions, just seems cruel to me. Or maybe she's just not thinking, but still.. This gives me another reason to dislike Leafpool. Still, Crowfeather kind of deserved it for being disloyal to his Clan by running away with Leafpool. As for him "not being involved in his kit's lives", that's normal for toms; it's been stated by many cats in the series, she-cats and toms alike, that kits belong with their mothers, as they need to be nursed and, besides, a father would make an inferior parent anyway. This is not to mention that Crowfeather was from a different Clan, so she probably didn't want her kits to grow up being disloyal or ashamed of their heritage. (I haven't read PO3 yet, so I'm assuming they didn't have a clue who their father was.) Why don't you read the books first before making thoughtless statements you know nothing about?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Jul 18, 2021 13:59:00 GMT -5
As for him "not being involved in his kit's lives", that's normal for toms; it's been stated by many cats in the series, she-cats and toms alike, that kits belong with their mothers, as they need to be nursed and, besides, a father would make an inferior parent anyway. That was only a thing in the first arc. Alot of things in the first arc got discarded later on, like how a queen is allowed to not tell anyone who the father is. As for the father being an inferior parent, do you know how many kids are raised by their dads? Tons! Obviously they can't nurse them, but otherwise, it's pretty insulting to call a father inferior. And even if you didn't mean it that way, maybe choose your words carefully next time.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jul 18, 2021 14:29:03 GMT -5
As for him "not being involved in his kit's lives", that's normal for toms; it's been stated by many cats in the series, she-cats and toms alike, that kits belong with their mothers, as they need to be nursed and, besides, a father would make an inferior parent anyway. That was only a thing in the first arc. Alot of things in the first arc got discarded later on, like how a queen is allowed to not tell anyone who the father is. As for the father being an inferior parent, do you know how many kids are raised by their dads? Tons! Obviously they can't nurse them, but otherwise, it's pretty insulting to call a father inferior. And even if you didn't mean it that way, maybe choose your words carefully next time. Perhaps I should have, yes. The message I was trying to convey though is that if I had a choice of a queen (or a she-cat in general) raising kits or a tom, then I'd pick the former. Just my own personal beliefs, no offense was intended. In regards to humans, I support single mothers just a little bit more, nothing wrong with that. (Note: I'm against the whole non-progressive nonsense about how "the mother is supposed to raise the kids", but that's more of a human societal issue. In the Warriors universe, as well as the animal kingdom in general, yes, you find that mothers are more protective over their young than the fathers are in most species, housecats included. I think this is more fault on the Erin's fault for not being able to decide if they want their cats in this universe to be more human-like or cat-like; imo, for realistic reasons, it should have been the latter from the very beginning. Perhaps I should not have placed human societal issues onto these cats since they obviously don't live in a human society, but since they're so human-like the distinctions blurred together with me for a while, so apologies.) (In summary, the Clans should have had a society similar to The Sisters from book 1, not for political reasons, but for realism, but that's just my take.) I was wondering where that rule went, about she-cats having the right to not tell her kits or her Clan who the father was. Are they forced to now or has it just become normal? Just asking.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Jul 18, 2021 15:08:32 GMT -5
I was wondering where that rule went, about she-cats having the right to not tell her kits or her Clan who the father was. Are they forced to now or has it just become normal? Just asking. I really don't see why a queen would be forced to tell who the father was. Like I said, it's just something from the first arc that was never brought up again. From what I recall, it was only ever mentioned once anyway. From TNP onwards, fathers just became more involved as family trees got more established and the cats more realistic by human standards, so it's not really something you should think about too much. It just happened. Even in the past, we get fathers being involved in their kits' lives, for better or worse.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jul 18, 2021 15:14:41 GMT -5
I was wondering where that rule went, about she-cats having the right to not tell her kits or her Clan who the father was. Are they forced to now or has it just become normal? Just asking. I really don't see why a queen would be forced to tell who the father was. Like I said, it's just something from the first arc that was never brought up again. From what I recall, it's was only ever mentioned in the once anyway. From TNP onwards, fathers just became more involved as family trees got more established and the cats more realistic by human standards, so it's not really something you should think about too much. It just happened. Even in the past, we get fathers being involved in their kits' lives, for better or worse. Ahh okay, even though you mentioned it hasn't been brought up since then (and I've also read TNP), I just wondered if it was a plot point in TP3. Looks like it was just a scrapped idea though, so thanks for answering. But again, another example of the Erin's making them far more human than cat.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 18, 2021 17:36:21 GMT -5
Wasnโt it Shellheart who loved and supported his sons while Rainflower verbally and emotionally abused Crookedstar? And wasnโt it Mudfur that raised Leopardstar by himself when his mate passed? Wasnโt Fernsong the one who spent more time in the nursery with his kits? Wasnโt it Lizardtail who basically hated her kits and abused Brokenstar? There are plenty of instances where the fathers do more than enough for their kits and are better parents than their mothers. Single fathers and single mothers shouldnโt be valued one more than the other. Both are equally as valid and both are equally as important.
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