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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 12:32:32 GMT -5
I've seen people say that Berrynose was butchered, but I've also seen people say that Berrynose was always that way, I am going to have to agree with the former. Berrynose started out as this eager kit, ready to become a warrior, his apprenticeship was basically skipped, and as a warrior, yeah, he was a little arrogant, but he also had his great sides, like how good of a father he was, and he was willing to help out Ivypaw/Dovepaw (I forgot which one) with a move. A lot of time we hear about him, it's in the POV of cats who are pretty much in his same peer group, and you know how that popular girl Nicole or that popular guy Matt can seem like the worst people ever? I know Berrynose isn't perfect, and there are some truth in the POVs focusing on him, but still, the jump from being an arrogant, jerkish, but still loyal and caring warrior, to a mindless Darkstripe lite is a bit wide. It would make sense, if Berrynose was just following The Impostor because he believed he was the leader, since the dumb leader's word code. However, he knew the truth, and he still fought on the side of the imposter, thus turning on ThunderClan and the warrior code as a whole, something he was so strong about. Following the code, the loyalty to ThunderClan.. It doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 17, 2021 17:27:16 GMT -5
I guess Berrynose genuinely thought that the impostor was on the right side of the code, maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 17:40:28 GMT -5
I guess Berrynose genuinely thought that the impostor was on the right side of the code, maybe? But why? It goes against everything he was taught to believe in. Or maybe he just so strongly believed in his ideals that code breakers should be punished, that in the end, his ideology ended up making him the very thing he despised.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 18, 2021 10:07:10 GMT -5
I guess Berrynose genuinely thought that the impostor was on the right side of the code, maybe? But why? It goes against everything he was taught to believe in. Or maybe he just so strongly believed in his ideals that code breakers should be punished, that in the end, his ideology ended up making him the very thing he despised. That's the only explanation I can find for his sudden behavior change. Pretty sad
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 18, 2021 10:39:03 GMT -5
To be fair, Bramblestar was his mentor. Bramblestar was the cat who came to bring him and his siblings back to Thunderclan when Daisy left. Bramblestar was the one who would have most likely been the closest thing to a father figure he could have had. So I’m not surprised that Berrynose was reluctant to believe that Bramblestar wasn’t who he always was. That, and Berrynose clearly was proud to be his deputy, and was banished for doing basically nothing wrong. He could have been desperate to show that his mentor could still trust him. Honestly, the cats who fought for Bramblestar were all under the belief that they were defending Thunderclan. Berrynose was not the only cat who was still believing that Bramblestar was still the leader they all knew and were loyal to.
Berrynose is not a bad or nasty cat for having hesitation in believing the cats who claimed Bramblestar was possessed by a ghost because…honestly that just sounds so out of this world that I probably wouldn’t believe it at first either. The whole situation was awful, but I genuinely don’t blame or hate Berrynose for wanting to pick Thunderclan, even if it was still under the Imposter’s control. They just killed him for no reason and it sucks because I loved his character and how he wasn’t a cardboard cutout the entire series. Bristlefrost makes it clear too that Berrynose actually did a really good job as deputy. I wish he could have been deputy longer.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 18, 2021 11:49:35 GMT -5
It honestly did sometimes feel as if the writing team all of a sudden tried to make Berrynose into another Darkstripe who also mindlessly believed in almost every word Tigerstar I spoke. I'm not exactly sure why they decided to turn him into someone like that but Berrynose always seemed to just have a normal level of respect for Bramblestar and not be such a devoted follower like he was in TBC.
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Jul 18, 2021 12:04:41 GMT -5
I dunno, if there's anything that's really always been consistent about Berrynose, it's that he likes and really respects Bramblestar, and has ever since he was a kit. Even when he got older and became more of an asshole, that has pretty much never changed. Remember how we literally have scenes of him giving Firestar and Blackstar lip? He never gave any of that to Brambleclaw in all the books that we've seen.
And I don't think that he ever felt like Diet Darkstripe. He made some questionable decisions, but it's pretty obvious that he just meant to do the right thing, with the problem being that he just assumed "Bramblestar" was doing the right thing. Reminder that Darkstripe willingly poisoned a kit just for seeing him in a compromising position while Ashfur states that he never actually told Berrynose what his real plan was because there's no way he'd go with it if he did.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 18, 2021 12:08:08 GMT -5
I liked him in TBC. He felt very tragic, used by someone who didn't care about him and too far gone to consider he had been wrong.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 18, 2021 12:25:44 GMT -5
I honestly found Berrynose to be pretty annoying and even kinda pathetic in TBC, but I don't think he was that out of character, either. We know how loyal he was to ThunderClan, and this apparently didn't change even after being demoted and exiled, which makes sense given how much of a disadvantage he had compared to most Clan cats (not being Clanborn and having a stumpy tail). Of course he'd want to prove himself to "Bramblestar" in however way he could, especially given the timing.
And let's be honest, to an outsider, just the entire situation of anyone getting possessed seemed pretty unbelievable. The only other time this occurred in the series was with Cinderheart, and even then, her experience was relatively minor compared to all the trouble Ashfur had caused.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 13:14:34 GMT -5
Everyone saying his loyalty to Bramblestar, and trying to prove himself after he got thrown out of deputyship, and not believing what everyone is saying, you're all right. I thought they had given him proof or something, but if they didn't, then it makes sense that he wouldn't just believe them.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 18, 2021 13:44:29 GMT -5
Everyone saying his loyalty to Bramblestar, and trying to prove himself after he got thrown out of deputyship, and not believing what everyone is saying, you're all right. I thought they had given him proof or something, but if they didn't, then it makes sense that he wouldn't just believe them. This is the last time Berrynose is seen before the battle. No one was really willing to trust Berrynose except maybe Squirrelflight to an extent, and even then, she was worried he'd go tell Bramblestar everything if they let him go. And I don't think we ever really know if they gave him any proof. I don't see how they could've anyway, since at this time, Bramblestar's spirit was still trapped (part of the plot in VoS is even trying to summon him again). The only reason the other cats believed the possession thing at all was because Lionblaze killed Harestar, who then said that he hadn't seen StarClan at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 13:47:37 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵Ohh thanks! I completely forgot about that.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 19, 2021 4:01:19 GMT -5
rip Berrynose. I wish he'd lived. He reminds me of someone but I can't remember who.
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Post by Lionstrike on Jul 19, 2021 15:18:30 GMT -5
I am getting a feeling he is going to have a Super Edition about his life story and choices.... AHHHHH NO
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 15:31:44 GMT -5
I am getting a feeling he is going to have a Super Edition about his life story and choices.... AHHHHH NO I'd love that honestly, but only if it actually talked about interesting things like, his relationship with his siblings, including Rosepetal and Toadstep. Out of all of Daisy's kits, I always found Berrynose and Rosepetal to be the most similar. Berrynose also seemed to be friends with Birchfall, it would have been cool to see more of that. They'll probably make it around his drama with Honeyfern and Poppyfrost, and find some way to make him look like a bigger jerk than they already have.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jul 20, 2021 14:05:21 GMT -5
Idk, I just always thought he was very annoying and I never liked him. I think he went to far with the code breaker thing, but he didn't deserve to die. Doesn't stop me from loving Tawnypelt tho.
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