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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 8, 2021 13:57:56 GMT -5
windclan hardly gets any spotlight or much fandom love. they had important cats here and there, but they didn't even get a POV in TNP (neither did tawnypelt in TNP, but we got tons of shadowclan spotlight since then, and some shadowclan POV in the main series by now). meanwhile, riverclan is only NOW just getting a protag POV in a MAIN SERIES arc (riverclan gets mangas, SE's, and novellas, but not current time, main series content).
windclan's in the same boat as riverclan, but i feel like they're now worse off. with riverclan finally getting main series relevance and a protag POV, windclan is once again left behind.
AVOS should have been windclan's arc, but nope! no windclan POV even though the main villain darktail is litterally related to and connected to windclan...like why? what genius in the writing room said "since darktail is related to windclan, lets make him target SHADOWCLAN instead! makes total sense!" IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE! it never did! AVOS should have belonged to WINDCLAN! AVOS is such a mess because of th is. they kill darktail off early, leaving the second half to suffer. and then windclan gets no importance. no POV. none. breezepelt's daughters could have easily taken over alderheart and needletail's roles...it's just ridiculous.
windclan gets no love. riverclan gets tons of fandom love, and it's paying off now because we're getting a main series protag POV, but now we should give windclan more love too. just mangas, novellas, and SE's taking place in the past shouldn't be enough. the current times need spotlight and love too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 14:52:05 GMT -5
I could not agree more. It doesn't help that ShadowClan is so lame now and there is very little difference between reading ShadowClan, ThunderClan, OR SkyClan POV. Remember when ShadowClan used to be unique? Those were the good old days, new forest ShadowClan is soooo lame, they don't even stink or sneak anymore.
BRING BACK STINKY SNEAKY SHADOWCLAN!!
Also, give WindClan more attention!!
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 8, 2021 14:55:15 GMT -5
I could not agree more. It doesn't help that ShadowClan is so lame now and there is very little difference between reading ShadowClan, ThunderClan, OR SkyClan POV. Remember when ShadowClan used to be unique? Those were the good old days, new forest ShadowClan is soooo lame, they don't even stink or sneak anymore. BRING BACK STINKY SNEAKY SHADOWCLAN!! Also, give WindClan more attention!! i still say windclan and riverclan are the only unique clans left. shadowclan is just pine thunderclan, and skyclan is just quirky thunderclan. neitherof them are unique anymore which sucks for them. i hope they dont thunderclan-ify riverclan with the POV next arc |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 15:01:32 GMT -5
I could not agree more. It doesn't help that ShadowClan is so lame now and there is very little difference between reading ShadowClan, ThunderClan, OR SkyClan POV. Remember when ShadowClan used to be unique? Those were the good old days, new forest ShadowClan is soooo lame, they don't even stink or sneak anymore. BRING BACK STINKY SNEAKY SHADOWCLAN!! Also, give WindClan more attention!! i still say windclan and riverclan are the only unique clans left. shadowclan is just pine thunderclan, and skyclan is just quirky thunderclan. neitherof them are unique anymore which sucks for them. i hope they dont thunderclan-ify riverclan with the POV next arc You're right! ShadowClan doesn't even have marshes anymore. I bet they will, or that the majority of the focus will be on ThunderClan even though it's RiverClan stuff going down, of course the hero ThunderClan has to be there. I swear I will revel in the day that they have an arc with no ThunderClan pov or much importance, but I highly doubt that'd do that since ThunderClan was the OG clan. But seriously, even if the series started with Firestar, it didn't have to end with him, the series is called Warriors not Firestar's/Tigerstar's Legacy so I don't see why they can't shift the focus. |
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 8, 2021 15:09:14 GMT -5
This screams of "the grass is greener". If Windclan did get focus, then people would inevitably complain too and long for the old days of Thunderclan. Exact same thing happened to Skyclan and Shadowclan because there's nothing about them that's really too different from the other clans.
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 8, 2021 15:19:09 GMT -5
This screams of "the grass is greener". If Windclan did get focus, then people would inevitably complain too and long for the old days of Thunderclan. Exact same thing happened to Skyclan and Shadowclan because there's nothing about them that's really too different from the other clans. again, agree to disagree. windclan has the moors, riverclan has the river/stream. both are more unique settings than just forests. shadowclan has no marsh, and only has slightly different trees than thunderclan and skyclan. also, no one is allowed to be aggressive or sneaky in shadowclan anymore even though its their POV, and shadowclan is supposed to have some traits that make them characteristically different from thunderclan. now they all feel generic. skyclan is even worse. they feel more close to being thunderclan 2.0 than shadowclan, but all three POV clans have the same issue of feeling generic. |
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Jul 8, 2021 15:21:11 GMT -5
Since 2010 I've always wanted River and Wind to get more focus. Never cared about any other clans... Yet then the other three got more focus instead lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 15:22:20 GMT -5
This screams of "the grass is greener". If Windclan did get focus, then people would inevitably complain too and long for the old days of Thunderclan. Exact same thing happened to Skyclan and Shadowclan because there's nothing about them that's really too different from the other clans. again, agree to disagree. windclan has the moors, riverclan has the river/stream. both are more unique settings than just forests. shadowclan has no marsh, and only has slightly different trees than thunderclan and skyclan. also, no one is allowed to be aggressive or sneaky in shadowclan anymore even though its their POV, and shadowclan is supposed to have some traits that make them characteristically different from thunderclan. now they all feel generic. skyclan is even worse. they feel more close to being thunderclan 2.0 than shadowclan, but all three POV clans have the same issue of feeling generic. Yeah! Why do they all have to be so nice for? Where are the battles? I miss the arcs where there was a battle or a skirmish like every other day, but now they only seem to fight when there's a big bad around or something. Okay, I know I'm over-exaggerating because there has been a few skirmishes since then but the clans seem to be all peace and love and helping each other out now and I miss the dramaaa that comes from the inside and not just dumb outside over the top forces. |
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 8, 2021 15:23:36 GMT -5
again, agree to disagree. windclan has the moors, riverclan has the river/stream. both are more unique settings than just forests. shadowclan has no marsh, and only has slightly different trees than thunderclan and skyclan. also, no one is allowed to be aggressive or sneaky in shadowclan anymore even though its their POV, and shadowclan is supposed to have some traits that make them characteristically different from thunderclan. now they all feel generic. skyclan is even worse. they feel more close to being thunderclan 2.0 than shadowclan, but all three POV clans have the same issue of feeling generic. Yeah! Why do they all have to be so nice for? Where are the battles? I miss the arcs where there was a battle or a skirmish like every other day, but now they only seem to fight when there's a big bad around or something. Okay, I know I'm over-exaggerating because there has been a few skirmishes since then but the clans seem to be all peace and love and helping each other out now and I miss the dramaaa that comes from the inside and not just dumb outside over the top forces. shadowclan cat: *acts aggressive and stands up for shadowclan* POV: wow u see, that cat is wrong and a big meanie head! shadowclan is supposed to be nice and clean jsut like thunderclan now! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 15:27:25 GMT -5
Yeah! Why do they all have to be so nice for? Where are the battles? I miss the arcs where there was a battle or a skirmish like every other day, but now they only seem to fight when there's a big bad around or something. Okay, I know I'm over-exaggerating because there has been a few skirmishes since then but the clans seem to be all peace and love and helping each other out now and I miss the dramaaa that comes from the inside and not just dumb outside over the top forces. shadowclan cat: *acts aggressive and stands up for shadowclan* POV: wow u see, that cat is wrong and a big meanie head! shadowclan is supposed to be nice and clean jsut like thunderclan now! Haha right? They did have one scene though in AVOS where Violet was shooketh that Birch and Lion were using their claws to fight over a piece of prey, and she thoght "Wow, they sure do things differently here!" But other than that? Not much differences. |
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 8, 2021 16:20:31 GMT -5
This screams of "the grass is greener". If Windclan did get focus, then people would inevitably complain too and long for the old days of Thunderclan. Exact same thing happened to Skyclan and Shadowclan because there's nothing about them that's really too different from the other clans. again, agree to disagree. windclan has the moors, riverclan has the river/stream. both are more unique settings than just forests. shadowclan has no marsh, and only has slightly different trees than thunderclan and skyclan. also, no one is allowed to be aggressive or sneaky in shadowclan anymore even though its their POV, and shadowclan is supposed to have some traits that make them characteristically different from thunderclan. now they all feel generic. skyclan is even worse. they feel more close to being thunderclan 2.0 than shadowclan, but all three POV clans have the same issue of feeling generic. Pine barrens are VERY different to other kinds of forest. It's a heck of a lot more unique than just a forest with slightly more water running through it. Just because Shadowclan isn't the evil clan anymore doesn't make it bad. On the contrary, it shows growth rather than being stuck in endless cycles of violence. But if you are so eager for Shadowclan being aggressive, Tigerstar 2 tried to get rid of Skyclan twice in the span of two books. That's not exactly diplomatic policy. |
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 9, 2021 3:55:52 GMT -5
I was so rooting for the eight arc to have a WindClan POV and a RiverClan one. WHY? WHYYY? You're right RiverClan has tons of fandom love and they get a manga, a SE, several novellas, and now an arc for them, evidently with them in the focus. WindClan has err oh yeah three SEs. Are there more? Well at any rate I don't remember
Literally I can only remember WindClan when they got chased off by Brokenstar, when Mudclaw went rEbeLLion when CrowLeaf happened and Onestar being crazy, and then Darktail but the Darktail thing hardly counts WindClan just shut their borders and then Onestar croaked. I'm still holding out hope for the second book to be called Wind or whatever and some WindClan cat pops out and says hi!!
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Post by quackity on Jul 9, 2021 13:22:19 GMT -5
because they love Thunderclan and Skyclan
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 9, 2021 13:47:34 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for WindClan to get a novella.
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 9, 2021 14:34:59 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for WindClan to get a novella. so true. they have tons of characters to give spotlight in novellas...windclan only has 3 SE's (moth flight, tallstar, and crowfeather), and its just SHOCKING that they have NO novellas! skyclan has more extra content than windclan now and its the saddest thing ever. i am starting to like skyclan but ever since they came to the lake, they took over as third protag clan, further leaving behind windclan and riverclan...it makes me wanna go back to hating skyclan out of spite, but i like them now for what its worth. |
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 9, 2021 14:36:02 GMT -5
because they love Thunderclan and Skyclan thunderclan, shadowclan, and skyclan are the primary protag POV clans now...skyclan really just moved in and said "screw windclan and riverclan, im here to take over the spotlight" lol no hate toward skyclan, i like them now, but still, it makes me very salty that they just dropped in and are now the focus of a lot of things |
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Post by Owl on Jul 9, 2021 16:18:14 GMT -5
you know, it always surprised me that the editors/writers don't seem to have a great deal of interest in windclan and riverclan because those two clans in particular seem to be the most culturally distinct from the other three, which adds interest to their povs. their environments are vastly different, and riverclan have been mentioned to have all sorts of little quirks and traditions that don't really get explored. i won't go into them since this thread is about windclan.
windclan just have so much potential for good stories! i'm interested in reading flamepaw's point of view, but it feels like a waste to have yet another firekin thunderclan protagonist when there's so much more to be explored. if they're finally giving us a riverclan pov, why not windclan?
i still feel like whistlepaw, songpaw, and flutterpaw could have been great pov choices. their cute, unique names kinda threw me off, because i took them as a sign that one of them would pop up in the next arc as an important character.
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 9, 2021 16:34:16 GMT -5
you know, it always surprised me that the editors/writers don't seem to have a great deal of interest in windclan and riverclan because those two clans in particular seem to be the most culturally distinct from the other three, which adds interest to their povs. their environments are vastly different, and riverclan have been mentioned to have all sorts of little quirks and traditions that don't really get explored. i won't go into them since this thread is about windclan. windclan just have so much potential for good stories! i'm interested in reading flamepaw's point of view, but it feels like a waste to have yet another firekin thunderclan protagonist when there's so much more to be explored. if they're finally giving us a riverclan pov, why not windclan? i still feel like whistlepaw, songpaw, and flutterpaw could have been great pov choices. their cute, unique names kinda threw me off, because i took them as a sign that one of them would pop up in the next arc as an important character. i agree. flamepaw's POV sounds like it'll be so boring and a huge waste of time...why should we care about his feelings on firestar's legacy? it sounds useless. didnt we already learn this leason? that just bc u're related to a big figure, doesnt mean u should or will turn out just like them? (think brambleclaw and his issues with tigerstar, etc.). they'll just be repeating it but with firekin...no thanks. i wish flutterpaw would become the medicine cat apprentice in windclan instead...then we'd get medicine cat POV's in both riverclan and windclan, something we never had before. unless u count mothwing, but hers was in a novella, not a main series arc. |
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Post by แนขanษypawโข on Jul 9, 2021 18:27:12 GMT -5
I'm so glad we got a WindClan graphic novel... just waiting for that novella now! It's quite sad that they still don't have one.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 21:33:39 GMT -5
you know, it always surprised me that the editors/writers don't seem to have a great deal of interest in windclan and riverclan because those two clans in particular seem to be the most culturally distinct from the other three, which adds interest to their povs. their environments are vastly different, and riverclan have been mentioned to have all sorts of little quirks and traditions that don't really get explored. i won't go into them since this thread is about windclan. windclan just have so much potential for good stories! i'm interested in reading flamepaw's point of view, but it feels like a waste to have yet another firekin thunderclan protagonist when there's so much more to be explored. if they're finally giving us a riverclan pov, why not windclan? i still feel like whistlepaw, songpaw, and flutterpaw could have been great pov choices. their cute, unique names kinda threw me off, because i took them as a sign that one of them would pop up in the next arc as an important character. i agree. flamepaw's POV sounds like it'll be so boring and a huge waste of time...why should we care about his feelings on firestar's legacy? it sounds useless. didnt we already learn this leason? that just bc u're related to a big figure, doesnt mean u should or will turn out just like them? (think brambleclaw and his issues with tigerstar, etc.). they'll just be repeating it but with firekin...no thanks. i wish flutterpaw would become the medicine cat apprentice in windclan instead...then we'd get medicine cat POV's in both riverclan and windclan, something we never had before. unless u count mothwing, but hers was in a novella, not a main series arc. Two medicine cat povs or even three would be really cool, and something they'd never done before. Another thing that would be interesting, is that since they're both medicine cats, couldn't they explain StarClan stuff to each other? It would add another level to the series that the other arcs haven't had before. |
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 9, 2021 23:26:02 GMT -5
Does anyone else get the feeling that if RiverClan and WindClan got those POVs, people would complain that they're just "ThunderClan with water" and "speedy ThunderClan"?
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 10, 2021 1:16:57 GMT -5
Does anyone else get the feeling that if RiverClan and WindClan got those POVs, people would complain that they're just "ThunderClan with water" and "speedy ThunderClan"? that already happened with shadowclan and skyclan. it's probably just laziness on the writers part. theres huge differences in wind and river's locations that SHOULD give way to unique culture differences and different attitudes (the clans have broad, general traits. thunderclan is brave and reckless, shadowclan is aggressive and sneaky, riverclan is lax and calm, windclan is sensitive and loyal to a fault, etc.). shadowclan shouldnt just be thunderclan in pine trees, and skyclan shouldnt just be a clone of thudnerclan with quirky characters with weirder names. they SHOULD be different but they're not and their POV's all blend together. if they do this with riverclan next arc, i'll lose all hope tbh. it'd be massively disapointing to have my fave clan get spotlight only for it to be turned into "wet thunderclan" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 7:14:39 GMT -5
I had a thought, maybe making all the clans similar in their own POVS is a way to show that despite being in different clans, there is really no difference between them all.
That borders are dumb, and they should just form into one big clan, since there are no differences between them at all.
ShadowClan no longer sneaks, no longer stinks, everyone can catch rabbits, in the next arc, we'll probably find out that RiverClan is now climbing trees, and without the influence of a ThunderClan Dark Forest cat, and there will probably be a scene where WindClan is teaching their apprentices how to swim, which might not be that bad of an idea, but you know it's not a WindClan thing.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 10, 2021 13:13:24 GMT -5
I honestly think people are looking for cultural differences that never actually existed. The Clans all have the same structure and follow the same laws, and we've seen from book upon book upon book that they're all run exactly the same way and any differences are in flavor due to their environment. People are biased against ThunderClan because we saw them first, and I think what people call "ThunderClan traits" are actually just general Clan characteristics. Just because ThunderClan cats trash-talk other Clans doesn't mean those Clans are substantially different. They're more like sports teams than countries.
SkyClan is the most distinct Clan in terms of culture, and I felt that come through strongly in AVoS and TBC. And I also appreciate the small differences we saw between ThunderClan and ShadowClan in OotS. The Clans don't need to have wildly different traditions and personalities to be their own thing. I think the whole "POVs are blending together" thing is more a consequence of poor character-writing than a problem with the actual Clans. All our protagonists (sans Jayfeather and Hollyleaf) have basically the same worldview and perceive things the same way, which is going to dampen any Clan differences.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 10, 2021 13:22:45 GMT -5
I had a thought, maybe making all the clans similar in their own POVS is a way to show that despite being in different clans, there is really no difference between them all. That borders are dumb, and they should just form into one big clan, since there are no differences between them at all. ShadowClan no longer sneaks, no longer stinks, everyone can catch rabbits, in the next arc, we'll probably find out that RiverClan is now climbing trees, and without the influence of a ThunderClan Dark Forest cat, and there will probably be a scene where WindClan is teaching their apprentices how to swim, which might not be that bad of an idea, but you know it's not a WindClan thing. ThuderClan already had individual cats who learned to swim. It's not a major element of their fighting style, but there have always been non-RiverClan cats who swim, just like there have always been non-WindClan cats who are small and speedy. And climbing trees wasn't considered a Clan-specific skill until SkyClan showed up: In OotS, the ThunderClan and ShadowClan cats are actually upset with the WindClan and RiverClan cats who can't climb trees, like "you're a cat! Why can't you climb a damn tree!?", so I wouldn't be surprised if after that incident, RiverClan decided to reallocate some budget toward tree-training. The major differences between the Clans lie in hunting and fighting styles based on the environment they live, not in whether the cats in a particular Clan have a particular skill. SkyClan is better at hunting and fighting in trees because that's where they live and how they were taught for generations, but it doesn't mean a SkyClan cat can't jump in the lake for fun occasionally. Everyone in any Clan is capable of catching a rabbit, but for WindClan, that's a majority of their diet because of their habitat. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Jul 10, 2021 14:00:12 GMT -5
I honestly think people are looking for cultural differences that never actually existed. Basically this. The message the series keeps hammering in over and over again is that no Clan is different from the other, so I always get confused why people think differently. We see this every time a Clan besides ThunderClan gets focused on. They all share the same beliefs, follow the same code, etc... Sure, there are different environmental settings, but besides WindClan with tunneling and SkyClan at the gorge, it's not like their respective homes play major roles, either. Definitely not enough where, say, RiverClan living in the forest would change their entire lifestyle besides I guess not being able to fish or swim as much as they usually would. |
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Post by Featherstar on Jul 10, 2021 14:10:15 GMT -5
I wonder what the writing team was thinking when discussing arc 8 povs. Obviously they discussed how the fandom was screaming for Mistystar to die and RiverClan to get attention, so when they decided to give them a POV, why didnโt they consider the other lonely Clan - WindClanโฆwere they really okay with waiting another 3 years before possibly giving them a POV? Surely they are not stupid enough to forget that WindClan hasnโt gotten a main arc POV eitherโฆ.unless they have simply forgotten that WindClan exists? They could always add in WindClan's POV sometime within A Starless Clan. They did just that when in the 1st book of A Vision Of Shadows was just 1 POV but with book 2 of A Vision Of Shadows they branched out and added in 2 POV's with Violetshine and Twigbranch. |
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Jul 10, 2021 14:24:44 GMT -5
I honestly think people are looking for cultural differences that never actually existed. Basically this. The message the series keeps hammering in over and over again is that no Clan is different from the other, so I always get confused why people think differently. We see this every time a Clan besides ThunderClan gets focused on. They all share the same beliefs, follow the same code, etc... Sure, there are different environmental settings, but besides WindClan with tunneling and SkyClan at the gorge, it's not like their respective homes play major roles, either. Definitely not enough where, say, RiverClan living in the forest would change their entire lifestyle besides I guess not being able to fish or swim as much as they usually would. then i still say it shouldnt be that way. back when they didnt have major POV changes, they could have made culture differences to make each clan special and unique so new POV's wont feel bland despite being in different clans. the point is, they shouldnt be the same. they should be "the same" despite their differences because they're all clan cats, but have their differences at the same time. i hope what im trying to get across is making sense. im trying to say that the writers arent doing enough to make the clans unique anymore, and that windclan and riverclan being in cooler locations COULD give us cultural differences for once and show that they aren't all the same cookie cutters with no culture at all despite being different groups in different location. |
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 10, 2021 15:06:16 GMT -5
Basically this. The message the series keeps hammering in over and over again is that no Clan is different from the other, so I always get confused why people think differently. We see this every time a Clan besides ThunderClan gets focused on. They all share the same beliefs, follow the same code, etc... Sure, there are different environmental settings, but besides WindClan with tunneling and SkyClan at the gorge, it's not like their respective homes play major roles, either. Definitely not enough where, say, RiverClan living in the forest would change their entire lifestyle besides I guess not being able to fish or swim as much as they usually would. then i still say it shouldnt be that way. back when they didnt have major POV changes, they could have made culture differences to make each clan special and unique so new POV's wont feel bland despite being in different clans. the point is, they shouldnt be the same. they should be "the same" despite their differences because they're all clan cats, but have their differences at the same time. i hope what im trying to get across is making sense. im trying to say that the writers arent doing enough to make the clans unique anymore, and that windclan and riverclan being in cooler locations COULD give us cultural differences for once and show that they aren't all the same cookie cutters with no culture at all despite being different groups in different location. Whether they should or shouldn't have major cultural differences is a different question than whether they actually do or not. I actually agree that the Clans should be distinct. In all my rewrites and AUs I try to make it so different Clans actually have different worldviews. But it's not canon. And it never was. There's no actual evidence to suggest the Clans were culturally distinct in the way you're describing at any point in the series. Even in the first arc, we see that ShadowClan and RiverClan function the same as ThunderClan but with different hunting schedules and fighting styles. All the "differences" are just things we hear about from Tigerclaw and Lionheart, who both have a bias in teaching Firepaw that the other Clans are "other" and should be rivals. The Clans do have culture. It's just a shared culture, not specific to each Clan. And that's okay. POV blandness doesn't come from the Clan being a carbon-copy of ThunderClan. POV blandness comes from the character in question being bland, or at least not distinct enough from the other POVs. It's not ShadowClan's fault that Violetshine and Shadowsight's POVs blend with the other POVs in their arcs. The blandness comes from the fact that all the protagonists share the same view of their home Clan, and we're not seeing enough differences in character. |
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Post by Dษพาฝฮฑษฑฦส
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Because the writing team just prefers ThunderClan, SkyClan and more recently ShadowClan over WindClan. With RiverClan now finally getting focused on in ASC they will probably become the new underdog at some point.
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