Aroace
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
Villain Enjoyer
Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 7, 2021 14:33:33 GMT -5
WARNING: FLASHING AND BLOOD
I know that there was some controversy involved in the production of this project but now that that's done with and this MAP has been finished, I'm very happy to see the final result. The parts where Firestar and Scourge fight like humans with such dramatic music has me cackling though.
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Post by Mothdapple on Jul 7, 2021 15:23:34 GMT -5
As much as I hate Draikinator, I’m so glad their MAPs were rehosted.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 7, 2021 15:42:57 GMT -5
Drama aside, it's a good MAP. Thankfully the parts didn't go to waste.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 7, 2021 16:19:09 GMT -5
The part where they fight like humans is so bizarre. It's completely incongruous with the rest of the video and while it's funny and not badly done on the animator's part, I kind of wish they'd tossed that out and replaced it since Draikinator no longer has the project.
In any case, while I enjoy seeing someone finally depict Firestar's death correctly (skull smashed open, it wasn't a throat strike!), I do have to take points for the fact that the song still doesn't fit them. The Plagues is about people who loved each other now being on opposite sides; Scourge and Firestar don't even know each other and so it's a poor fit in my mind. aAd that the ending really is one of those Warriors MAPs pet peeves. Firestar cheapshotting Scourge from behind is so unsatisfying as a final kill but seemingly everyone does it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 16:34:39 GMT -5
I'm crying did Scourge just karate kick Firestar and punch him in the jaw
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 7, 2021 16:40:10 GMT -5
I like that other people took hold of it, but yeah, it really doesn't fit at all. I'd get it if it was used for, say, Gray Wing and Clear Sky (and there is in fact an MAP for them with this song), but not Firestar and Scourge. The random punching scene kinda takes me out of it, too.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 7, 2021 17:13:52 GMT -5
Gonna agree with the Cinder and Vector on what they pointed out. On one positive end? FINALLY ONE MAP THAT ACTUALLY DEPICTS FIRESTAR'S DEATH RIGHT. I wish I didn't thank the OG map owner for pulling that bare minimum for me (Because ya know I've seen so many MAPs do it so damn wrong to where it's absolutely a bare minimum req for me now, and uh, hate the OG owner now >.>), but at least it wasn't changed or anything. On another more negative one, and there's more negs, will absolutely agree that the MAP song does not fit these characters when it's canon that they're completely unaware of their relationship as half-brothers, meaning the lines about seeing each other as brothers and having loved one another in the past doesn't work unless you were doing an AU where they were aware somehow someway. Gray Wing and Clear Sky, like Cinder has stated, fits this song more to a T given how they fall into its theme perfectly in comparison. (Maybe even for Hawk and Bramble? Has anyone done the song with them yet) Then again, you-know-who had a HUGE habit of using the wrong songs for characters centered in their MAPs, so I'm not surprised that this is just another one of them.
And yeah I didn't like that punching human boxing scene. While it's silly and well animated, it threw me right out of the MAP for a bit. I really wish that part was at the very least changed to something more cat like in fighting.
Aaaand ofc the cheapshot at Scourge in the end. IIRC, Firestar after reviving made Scourge completely aware of the fact that "B- you thought" about his death, and Scourge was shocked but then was absolutely willing to fight and off him ''for real'', unknowing of how Starclan and everything worked. They actually duked it out, and Firestar even had a moment of worrying about his revitalization wearing off eventually. It wasn't as sudden as these MAPs do, there was a LITTLE more of a fight going on between them that is still missing. I get that by the time the MAP got to that part where Scourge dies, the song was about at its end, so it was probably a case of fitting in with the whole thing, especially when the detail of Firestar's death was finally handled right. So who knows, maybe it was a time constraint thing in the OG map, I really don't know. But had the MAP somehow squeeze that bit in and did it right, I would've forgiven the mismatched song and out of place boxing scene. But alas.
I will say tho, if there's anything I did really like in this MAP outside the properly represented death, it's the whole starting bit in the buildup with all the Bloodclan cats gathering. Working with so many characters moving all at once has got to be a pain in the ass.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 7, 2021 17:14:41 GMT -5
The part where they fight like humans is so bizarre. It's completely incongruous with the rest of the video and while it's funny and not badly done on the animator's part, I kind of wish they'd tossed that out and replaced it since Draikinator no longer has the project. In any case, while I enjoy seeing someone finally depict Firestar's death correctly (skull smashed open, it wasn't a throat strike!), I do have to take points for the fact that the song still doesn't fit them. The Plagues is about people who loved each other now being on opposite sides; Scourge and Firestar don't even know each other and so it's a poor fit in my mind. aAd that the ending really is one of those Warriors MAPs pet peeves. Firestar cheapshotting Scourge from behind is so unsatisfying as a final kill but seemingly everyone does it. Honestly while watching it I felt like the song would fit better with Hawkfrost and Bramblestar? Because before everything went down, the two very much loved one another as brothers sorta, while that aspect with Scourge and Firestar was never explored let alone acknowledged.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 7, 2021 17:21:52 GMT -5
Speaking of Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost, this is the only one I can find.
I agree, it'd fit them, but I feel like it works well with Gray Wing and Clear Sky more since they had a stronger bond due to growing up together and only grew apart later on, much like Moses and Ramses.
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#FF55A3
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Apricity
Bravelands is too slept on.
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Post by Apricity on Jul 8, 2021 10:11:36 GMT -5
While I agree that the song doesn't fit, this does make me interested in AU where it does. One way I think it could work is if Quince and Nutmeg lived in the same home so their kits were raised together.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 8, 2021 13:20:04 GMT -5
While I agree that the song doesn't fit, this does make me interested in AU where it does. One way I think it could work is if Quince and Nutmeg lived in the same home so their kits were raised together. I'm considering it in my AU rewrite, where Tiny knows Rusty, since he's the older half-sibling, before leaving eventually and becoming Scourge. At some point they meet by chance, Firepaw and Scourge, and they slowly bond, until Firepaw finds out the truth when Tigerstar brings him into the forest. Would give more build up.
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