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Post by downfalls on Jul 3, 2021 19:29:00 GMT -5
What do you think about her? I personally dislike her. She was harsh to Goosefeather because he got special treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 19:35:45 GMT -5
Dislike. She's a terrible sister.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 3, 2021 19:50:45 GMT -5
I'm fine with her. I think she's overhated. I know the way she treated Goosefeather but still.
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Post by Aqua on Jul 3, 2021 20:48:46 GMT -5
She really isn't as bad as people say he is. Neutral.
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Post by cygna on Jul 3, 2021 21:07:12 GMT -5
Good mother. Shit sister.
Also I do think her ship with Sunstar is a tad bit overrated.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 3, 2021 21:08:24 GMT -5
Horrid sister, meh mother. I felt no sympathy for her death after I read GC. I don't get why Vicky had to make her so terrible a sibling and think Goosefeather was some weirdo just to push him further into being the woobie of his book (He was already having a hard time jfc). Ya could've at least have her think he was a little weird but still be supportive of him. Idk how to describe it.
Only time I care for her is the Sun/Moon ship, as I do believe she didn't deserve Stormtail just LITERALLY not even acting as if she was fricking there and was so focused on Dapple the entire time even when they were dragging her body back and he did NOT notice or even bat an eye, did he even mention her then? I don't think he did. I straight up forgot they were even mates when I first read BP. He rather pay more attention to Dappletail than her to where it was so sus to me how he immediately was spending so much time with Dapple so soon after his supposed mate's death too.
Like... boi, you certainly got a keeper there, Moonflower. /s >.>
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Post by Pixie on Jul 3, 2021 21:46:29 GMT -5
She’s not that memorable tbh
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Post by fire on Jul 3, 2021 22:34:39 GMT -5
Garbage sister, horrible choice in mates, okay mother. Overall, bad character. Dislike.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 3, 2021 22:44:35 GMT -5
Honestly she's not as bad as people make her out to be, and I found it annoying that some people defend Hawkheart just because they think she's a "terrible sister". Hawkheart was just looking for a fight and could care less about the herbs. He killed a cat that was already down and there's nothing justifiable about that. Moonflower didn't deserve to die just because Hawkheart was being battle hungry. And going as far as to taunt Bluepaw too was all sorts of disgusting.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 3, 2021 23:20:25 GMT -5
Not memorable in Bluestar's novel. Annoying in Goosefeather's novella. So dislike
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 3, 2021 23:28:15 GMT -5
she was a bad sister, but thats not all. messing up another clan's herbs was always awful, no matter who did it. so it being moonflower doesnt change my opinion. hawkheart was justified in defending his herbs. he was a trained warrior too so it's thunderclan's fault for doing the raid in the first place. they should have known windclan's medicine cat was trained to fight back.
moonflower, with the hindsight of goosefeather's novella, is just not likeable imo.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jul 4, 2021 0:45:46 GMT -5
Dislike.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 1:49:26 GMT -5
Okay but who brings up her relationship with Goosefeather when discussing Hawkheart? Like ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ said I don't care who did it. Stonepelt was also there, if it was him who got sacked I wouldn't have cared, because what they did was terrible, unjust and would have been potentially devastating for WindClan. Before and after battle, multiple cats even acknowledge that it was wrong: We see several times throughout the series the effects of a lack of herbs or a lack of a specific herb, for example the yellowcough outbreak in AVOS and the greencough outbreak in POT or OOTS (I forget which). The cats literally say several times in a row that this will harm WC for moons, including innocents like queens, kits and elders. We don't see attacks on the nursery or elders' den other than the Brokenstar era and the DF battle, so there's really no justifying this. Again, I don't care if it was Moonflower or not. Also, if Hawkheart didn't care about the herbs, he would've stayed where he was in the fight instead of rushing back to his den.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jul 4, 2021 5:06:46 GMT -5
Kinda neutral. She was a horrible sister, and I absolutely hated her in Goosefeather's Curse, but she was a great mother and she was very supportive. I also don't think she deserved how Stormtail treated her. She should've gotten with Sunfall/star.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jul 4, 2021 5:59:38 GMT -5
Like. She was a bad sister to Goosefeather but she was a good mother to Bluepaw and Snowpaw. It's so sweet how she sleeps with them in the apprentice's den before the battle to help calm them.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 4, 2021 10:26:16 GMT -5
I honestly kind of just dislike both Moonflower and her brother Goosefeather.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 4, 2021 10:35:50 GMT -5
Okay but who brings up her relationship with Goosefeather when discussing Hawkheart? Like ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ said I don't care who did it. Stonepelt was also there, if it was him who got sacked I wouldn't have cared, because what they did was terrible, unjust and would have been potentially devastating for WindClan. Before and after battle, multiple cats even acknowledge that it was wrong: We see several times throughout the series the effects of a lack of herbs or a lack of a specific herb, for example the yellowcough outbreak in AVOS and the greencough outbreak in POT or OOTS (I forget which). The cats literally say several times in a row that this will harm WC for moons, including innocents like queens, kits and elders. We don't see attacks on the nursery or elders' den other than the Brokenstar era and the DF battle, so there's really no justifying this. Again, I don't care if it was Moonflower or not. Also, if Hawkheart didn't care about the herbs, he would've stayed where he was in the fight instead of rushing back to his den. You sound as if she and the other's had a choice? They knew it was wrong morally, but it didn't matter if their medicine cat and leader both gave them commands to do it. Both are in positions of power and are supposed to guide and help warriors and others below them. Goosefeather is a medicine cat, and therefore even a prophet since he speaks with StarClan, while the "leaders word is law" code still exists, when they attacked they very much thought it was because of StarClan's will and what they HAD to do it, even if they personally disagreed with it morally. Hawkheart killing Moonflower did nothing to protect and save the herbs. He killed her out of pure retaliation for what she did, therefore it was NOT justified. The only cats that actually protected what was left of the herbs were the two that went into the den to chase out the invaders and stopped them from doing more damage. Hawkheart was not one of those cats, it was clearly stated he stayed outside of the den, lying in wait, and pounced on Moonflower the moment she appeared. He tossed her to the ground and immobilized her, she was down for the count, but that wasn't enough for his satisfaction, so he attacked her again and killed her. What he did broke the code, especially because he had no business doing it in the first place. Two wrongs do not make a right. Hawkheart was only looking for a fight from the start. Him trying to beat up an apprentice, killing their mother afterward out of retaliation and then taunting the child over her death has nothing to do with him wanting to protect herbs. He used his position as an excuse to get away with what he did. People bring up Hawkheart and Goosefeather in Moonflower's discussions regardless because both are involved with how she died anyways. Goosefeather's crappy word of a prophecy led to ThunderClan's invasion attack, and then the death of his own sister in the process. And Hawkheart, her murderer, wasn't justified in the least as far as I'm concerned, him killing Moonflower wasn't going to fix the herb problem and it was only because he was a battle hungry muscle head.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 4, 2021 13:29:40 GMT -5
Okay but who brings up her relationship with Goosefeather when discussing Hawkheart? Like ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ said I don't care who did it. Stonepelt was also there, if it was him who got sacked I wouldn't have cared, because what they did was terrible, unjust and would have been potentially devastating for WindClan. Before and after battle, multiple cats even acknowledge that it was wrong: We see several times throughout the series the effects of a lack of herbs or a lack of a specific herb, for example the yellowcough outbreak in AVOS and the greencough outbreak in POT or OOTS (I forget which). The cats literally say several times in a row that this will harm WC for moons, including innocents like queens, kits and elders. We don't see attacks on the nursery or elders' den other than the Brokenstar era and the DF battle, so there's really no justifying this. Again, I don't care if it was Moonflower or not. Also, if Hawkheart didn't care about the herbs, he would've stayed where he was in the fight instead of rushing back to his den. You sound as if she and the other's had a choice? They knew it was wrong morally, but it didn't matter if their medicine cat and leader both gave them commands to do it. Both are in positions of power and are supposed to guide and help warriors and others below them. Goosefeather is a medicine cat, and therefore even a prophet since he speaks with StarClan, while the "leaders word is law" code still exists, when they attacked they very much thought it was because of StarClan's will and what they HAD to do it, even if they personally disagreed with it morally. Hawkheart killing Moonflower did nothing to protect and save the herbs. He killed her out of pure retaliation for what she did, therefore it was NOT justified. The only cats that actually protected what was left of the herbs were the two that went into the den to chase out the invaders and stopped them from doing more damage. Hawkheart was not one of those cats, it was clearly stated he stayed outside of the den, lying in wait, and pounced on Moonflower the moment she appeared. He tossed her to the ground and immobilized her, she was down for the count, but that wasn't enough for his satisfaction, so he attacked her again and killed her. What he did broke the code, especially because he had no business doing it in the first place. Two wrongs do not make a right. Hawkheart was only looking for a fight from the start. Him trying to beat up an apprentice, killing their mother afterward out of retaliation and then taunting the child over her death has nothing to do with him wanting to protect herbs. He used his position as an excuse to get away with what he did. People bring up Hawkheart and Goosefeather in Moonflower's discussions regardless because both are involved with how she died anyways. Goosefeather's crappy word of a prophecy led to ThunderClan's invasion attack, and then the death of his own sister in the process. And Hawkheart, her murderer, wasn't justified in the least as far as I'm concerned, him killing Moonflower wasn't going to fix the herb problem and it was only because he was a battle hungry muscle head. Are we really blaming Goosefeather for his prophecies? The only person to get mad at for Goosefeather's prophecies are Starclan because they decided it was a good idea to send him prophecies from the now and the future and literally drive him to insanity.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 4, 2021 14:35:43 GMT -5
You sound as if she and the other's had a choice? They knew it was wrong morally, but it didn't matter if their medicine cat and leader both gave them commands to do it. Both are in positions of power and are supposed to guide and help warriors and others below them. Goosefeather is a medicine cat, and therefore even a prophet since he speaks with StarClan, while the "leaders word is law" code still exists, when they attacked they very much thought it was because of StarClan's will and what they HAD to do it, even if they personally disagreed with it morally.
Hawkheart killing Moonflower did nothing to protect and save the herbs. He killed her out of pure retaliation for what she did, therefore it was NOT justified. The only cats that actually protected what was left of the herbs were the two that went into the den to chase out the invaders and stopped them from doing more damage. Hawkheart was not one of those cats, it was clearly stated he stayed outside of the den, lying in wait, and pounced on Moonflower the moment she appeared. He tossed her to the ground and immobilized her, she was down for the count, but that wasn't enough for his satisfaction, so he attacked her again and killed her. What he did broke the code, especially because he had no business doing it in the first place. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Hawkheart was only looking for a fight from the start. Him trying to beat up an apprentice, killing their mother afterward out of retaliation and then taunting the child over her death has nothing to do with him wanting to protect herbs. He used his position as an excuse to get away with what he did.
People bring up Hawkheart and Goosefeather in Moonflower's discussions regardless because both are involved with how she died anyways. Goosefeather's crappy word of a prophecy led to ThunderClan's invasion attack, and then the death of his own sister in the process. And Hawkheart, her murderer, wasn't justified in the least as far as I'm concerned, him killing Moonflower wasn't going to fix the herb problem and it was only because he was a battle hungry muscle head. Are we really blaming Goosefeather for his prophecies? The only person to get mad at for Goosefeather's prophecies are Starclan because they decided it was a good idea to send him prophecies from the now and the future and literally drive him to insanity.There's a reason why Hawkheart shit talks Goosefeather and mocks their faith in his word. Whereas I do blame StarClan, I don't blame ThunderClan for losing trust in him after that incident. Especially because the situation was already morally conflicting.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 4, 2021 17:11:24 GMT -5
Neutral/dislike. Moonflower was a really good mother but the way she treated Goosefeather was apalling.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jul 4, 2021 21:22:26 GMT -5
I liked her in Bluestar's Prophecy, but disliked how she was written in Goosefeather's Curse.
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