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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 23:54:42 GMT -5
Didn't Darktail kill one of his daughters and almost a second? What is Scorchfur on
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 30, 2021 0:02:01 GMT -5
I honestly find it more sickening that Tawnypelt's behavior is justified at all. If neither she nor Rowanclaw can handle criticism or "taunts" then neither of them should be anywhere near positions of power. Warriors look to their leaders for guidance, but how can they rely on their leaders if they're weak and cowardly. Tawnypelt pretty much was trying to absolve Rowanclaw of ANY blame, and then turning and blaming everyone else in the clan. No one was right in that situation, but Tawnypelt is obviously too blinded to even realize that and she is also the one that escalated the situation in the first place. Rowanclaw didn't even know how to stop his own warriors from fighting, the fact that Tigerheart had to be the one to do it speaks enough volumes imo. Also, the context of that scene and Scorchfur's words always get twisted on the forums it's not even funny. He clarified WHY they chose Darktail over Rowanclaw, and then added that Rowan was still a weak leader either way. Not, "Oh Darktail is a stronger leader, he was the better leader brrr" nope, it's him saying that regardless of Darktail, Rowan was a weak leader either way, and he's right, he is. But Tawnypelt, being the white knight she is, obviously couldn't handle that and immediately slashes him in the face, very classy right? Maybe it’s sickening that any of their behaviors are justified and that apparently not being a perfect powerful leader means that it’s okay to be treated horribly and blamed for everything that happened? I guess it’s okay to verbally abuse people and just call it criticism now? It just baffles me. That wasn’t criticism. That was being an ass to purposefully goad an argument and cause pain instead of genuinely helping his clan. Nothing’s getting twisted, Scorchfur is an awful cat in this scene with no excuse whatsoever to purposefully try and make things worse for the sake of an argument. It’s disgusting. Do I think Tawnypelt should have struck him? No. Do I understand why she felt compelled to? Absolutely. It was criticism. If you think otherwise, you're free to do so, it's your own opinion based on your perspective. But to me it was criticism. It makes me highly uncomfortable that someone would so easily turn on their own clanmates and escalate to violence just to have power over what they say. Also, no where did I say that Scorchfur was in the right either with his actions, just that I agreed with his criticism, however that doesn't justify what Tawnypelt did, and that is my point. Agree to disagree.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 30, 2021 0:03:02 GMT -5
I genuinely don’t want to start any argument since it’s super late, I’m super tired, so I’m agreeing to disagree at this point because I already know it’ll be a circling argument. I just think that if he took any kind of responsibility, I’d like him way more and understand his criticisms. So until he does, I’m never going to enjoy what the series gave us for him. I’m leaving it at that.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 30, 2021 0:04:34 GMT -5
Didn't Darktail kill one of his daughters and almost a second? What is Scorchfur on I think people have a misconception about what he says a lot. He wasn't saying that they were better off with Darktail, he was clarifying WHY they chose Darktail in the first place. Since Tawnypelt likes to constantly bring up them siding with him and then blaming everyone but Rowanclaw for what happened. Interestingly enough, everyone always brings up Tawny and Rowan suffering from losing a child but no one ever seems to acknowledge that Scorchfur is in the same boat, if not worse since several of his children were missing and assumed dead as well.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 30, 2021 0:11:25 GMT -5
Scorchfur is a warrior of ShadowClan, not some kit in the nursery bullying a leader. Rowanclaw is a full grown adult, if he can't take criticism without his mate violently attacking other clanmates then what does that say about the both of them? Tawnypelt's own actions aren't under Rowanstar's control. She chose to act the way she did. You say Rowanstar is a full grown adult, and yes, maybe he should handle "criticism" better, but even then, Scorchfur wasn't the most mature cat in the situation. He was mocking them, blaming them, and in the end, I really don't think any cat here is innocent. ALL THREE weren't mature and were at fault. NO ONE handled this situation better than the other. Scorchfur shouldn't have started shit from the start, Tawnypelt should've controlled her emotions, and Rowanstar should've stepped in and stopped the fight before it got worse. I agree, my gripe is more with the fact that Tawny's actions get justified or excused despite the fact that she escalated the situation while Rowanclaw stood by and did nothing as they tore into one another. That's my actual issue. I do acknowledge that Scorchfur's criticism was harsh, even if he had a point, and that he was being a "jerkass" but that doesn't mean he deserved to get slashed in the face by his own clanmate for being vocal.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jun 30, 2021 8:58:00 GMT -5
I feel like Tawnypelt challenging him makes sense imo. In this series if a cat is running his mouth about another cat's honor you are absolutely allowed to challenge them to a duel, it has happened multiple times in this series. Like Longtail and Rusty fighting, and even Mudclaw and Onewhisker were going to fight for leadership before Barkface stopped them. So what Tawnypelt did shouldn't be strange, in fact i would have done the same, to protect Rowanstar's honor.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 30, 2021 10:03:50 GMT -5
I feel like Tawnypelt challenging him makes sense imo. In this series if a cat is running his mouth about another cat's honor you are absolutely allowed to challenge them to a duel, it has happened multiple times in this series. Like Longtail and Rusty fighting, and even Mudclaw and Onewhisker were going to fight for leadership before Barkface stopped them. So what Tawnypelt did shouldn't be strange, in fact i would have done the same, to protect Rowanstar's honor. Those are different situations though. Firestar, or Rusty, at the time was a kittypet, he had something to prove to the clans. While Mudclaw and Onewhisker were going to to fight for leadership, and considering the situation, it made sense. When Tawnypelt attacked Scorchfur it was out of place and uncalled far. Tensions were already high, they were all on edge, and considering they were heavily divided because of Darktail, they were both just making the situation worse. However, again, it's Tawnypelt that escalated from the situation, from verbal criticism to out right violence. It wasn't a challenge or a duel, it was no different then sucker punching someone because you disagreed with them. Everyone was in shock over them fighting, unlike the other two examples where the rest of the group and clans were fine with it because it was a proper challenge.
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