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Post by Aqua on Jun 28, 2021 11:06:16 GMT -5
What do people think about her?
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 28, 2021 11:52:15 GMT -5
Mm. Neutral borderline dislike, if only for her inconsistency as a character, her really awful romance and the stunt she pulled by trying to waltz into Thunderclan camp with her Shadowclan leader mate and kits and expecting a welcome wagon after she abandoned them. Then she proceeds to talk bad about them as if she wasn’t awful to them in terms of loyalty and honesty. The way she handled communication, especially with Bumblestripe, was really bad. I don’t think she’s the worst cat in the series, but she was better without a romance.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 28, 2021 13:04:21 GMT -5
Dislike, borderline hate. As an apprentice, I didn't initially mind her, but her naivety and constant "hiccups" became grating. I hated that the majority of her character was 95% romance and sister drama and 5% prophecy related, making her a disappointment in my eyes. I liked her a bit in her novella, but her horrible and unnecessary relapse in AVoS just made me dislike her for good. I didn't like how she dragged the rest of her clan into her runaway act and wasted precious time they could be using for hunting and patrols. I didn't like how she never communicated well with Bumblestripe, using him to get over Tigerheart, then dumping him without reasoning, and then never properly telling him the truth, while also treating him like a scratching post the moment he displeases her. And whereas I blame Tigerheart just as much as her in ThS for their stupid behavior, I still found it gross that she forced him to choose between her and his unborn children, and his dying clan that was on the brink of extinction. It was a low thing to do, and very manipulative. She put herself in unnecessary danger and her unborn kits, and that will always rub me the wrong way. Even in ShadowClan, she thought she could casually try and visit whenever she wanted, despite the fact that she betrayed her family and her clan, she doesn't get the luxury to do that. Even more so when she used Puddleshine's sickness as an opportunity to go TC, and showed no concern for her new clanmate. She also grated my nerves with how quick she and Tigerheart were to try and encourage their son to lie and run away like a coward, refusing to let him own up to his own actions and be honest, and already deciding everything for him, much to his dismay. It's shameful. She went from a character I found interesting and didn't mind, and also gave a chance with high hopes cause of her potential, to an utter horribly annoying disappointment. To this day she feels like the worst POV in general when it comes to the main series, and reading her chapters gave me a headache. I just want her to be obscure in the background from now on, and I'm tired of her being dragged out for over 12 books, a novella and a flipping SE. It's ridiculous.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 28, 2021 14:05:19 GMT -5
Very unpopular favorite of mine, I relate to her a whole lot.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 28, 2021 14:12:25 GMT -5
i dont wanna be a broken record, but
oots, ThS, SqH, avos dovewing: hate
tbc dovewing: neutral, bordering dislike
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 28, 2021 23:56:08 GMT -5
Dislike. Am tired of her
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Post by Rainsplash on Jun 29, 2021 0:08:06 GMT -5
I like her. Her "concept" was interestng, she was bad-written, but I could relate to her and I remember hating Ivypool and rooting for Dovewing. She's naive, but I think she's cute.
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Post by whiteflight on Jun 29, 2021 2:15:03 GMT -5
Hate her
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Post by kells on Jun 29, 2021 2:23:04 GMT -5
She was so insufferable in OotS that it left me in scars, I can never like her character
shes a good mom though
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 2:58:34 GMT -5
Dislike. When she wasn't dull as dishwater she was annoying.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jun 29, 2021 5:44:32 GMT -5
I like her, bordering on love.
She went through a lot as a young cat and that made her always struggle to find the right place, the right cat to be with. She is deeply emotional and seemed constantly restless and frustrated, uncertain who to be with, losing her place even more when her powers leave her, but in the end, she chooses Tigerheart and is now a caring, loving, gentle mother to Shadowsight and loyal, supporting, rational mate for Tigerheart.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 29, 2021 8:55:05 GMT -5
Prior to TBC I was a pretty big Dovewing hater, but I'm mostly neutral on her now. Her concept was interesting but it wasn't written well at all, and her chapters really annoyed me. Her romance with Tigerheart should have stayed buried in OotS and seriously didn't need to me dragged out as long as it was. Like, we really did not need a whole arc, novella, and super edition about her love life.
But I can see now she's made the decision that was right for her. I don't like how she executed it, and she absolutely could have done it differently, but she appears to be happy in ShadowClan. TigerDove seems healthy, and both of them clearly love and support one another. She's a good mom as well, which I ultimately can't fault against her.
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Post by cygna on Jun 29, 2021 11:18:59 GMT -5
I will admit shamelessly to down right hating her.
I hate how her bad behavior just gets excused by everyone. I also hate how SOME Dovewing fans are willing to blame other characters to defend her.
You guys do not know the insane number many times I have seen Ivypool be blamed and called a bad sister. IVYPOOL who got in trouble because of her sister's stupid love affair and still hid her secret, the same cat who never bad mouthed Dovewing for being a traitor like most of her clan is a bad sister??? REALLY?
Bumblestripe is more faulty than Ivypool but people love to hate him for Dovewing's sake. I hate to break it to you but your beloved Dovewing DID use him. Also he legit asked for kits ONCE. Wrong timing yes but he let it go after that. Definitely not a Finleap situation.
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Post by Aqua on Jun 29, 2021 12:50:26 GMT -5
I will admit shamelessly to down right hating her. I hate how her bad behavior just gets excused by everyone. I also hate how SOME Dovewing fans are willing to blame other characters to defend her. You guys do not know the insane number many times I have seen Ivypool be blamed and called a bad sister. IVYPOOL who got in trouble because of her sister's stupid love affair and still hid her secret, the same cat who never bad mouthed Dovewing for being a traitor like most of her clan is a bad sister??? REALLY? Bumblestripe is more faulty than Ivypool but people love to hate him for Dovewing's sake. I hate to break it to you but your beloved Dovewing DID use him. Also he legit asked for kits ONCE. Wrong timing yes but he let it go after that. Definitely not a Finleap situation. Well, people can think Ivypool is a bad sister if that's what they believe, just as you think of Dovewing as a terrible sister. Most of us just feel like Ivypool is too harsh on her, though, due to our own experiences with other people; we simply understand Dovewing's feelings a little more, but we're NOT excusing her, and I'm tired of people accusing us of doing that with Dovewing. Most people ARE aware she does crappy things, we just don't think it's that big of a deal of her to switch clans for Tigerheart. And people just believe it's weird how Bumble asked for kittens after Dovewing broke up with him a long time ago.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 29, 2021 20:09:38 GMT -5
I will admit shamelessly to down right hating her. I hate how her bad behavior just gets excused by everyone. I also hate how SOME Dovewing fans are willing to blame other characters to defend her. You guys do not know the insane number many times I have seen Ivypool be blamed and called a bad sister. IVYPOOL who got in trouble because of her sister's stupid love affair and still hid her secret, the same cat who never bad mouthed Dovewing for being a traitor like most of her clan is a bad sister??? REALLY? Bumblestripe is more faulty than Ivypool but people love to hate him for Dovewing's sake. I hate to break it to you but your beloved Dovewing DID use him. Also he legit asked for kits ONCE. Wrong timing yes but he let it go after that. Definitely not a Finleap situation. Well, people can think Ivypool is a bad sister if that's what they believe, just as you think of Dovewing as a terrible sister. Most of us just feel like Ivypool is too harsh on her, though, due to our own experiences with other people; we simply understand Dovewing's feelings a little more, but we're NOT excusing her, and I'm tired of people accusing us of doing that with Dovewing. Most people ARE aware she does crappy things, we just don't think it's that big of a deal of her to switch clans for Tigerheart. And people just believe it's weird how Bumble asked for kittens after Dovewing broke up with him a long time ago. Imo, Ivypool wasn't harsh enough. I've said it before, plenty of times, and it still annoys me, it's probably an actual gripe I have with Ivypool's character. She wasn't hard enough on Dovewing for the crap that her sister constantly pulled. And if I were in her position I would have been much more blunt with Dovewing than Ivypool ever was. Ivypool should have reported her sister from day one. Not take all the heat for her, cover her tracks, lie and keep her secret, and having enough patience to deal with her constantly breaking the code behind everyone's backs. Dovewing KNEW what she was doing was wrong but still expected Ivypool to be okay with it. Also, Ivypool understood Dovewing, and how she felt, she says so in the story, but she didn't approve of what she did and how she went about it. Regardless of if you like Dovewing or not, it's hard not to notice how poorly written she is, and and how forced DoveTiger was from a romantic perspective. The way the Erins handled Dovewing and DoveTiger was a cluttered hot mess, that honestly could have been easily solved from the get go. She should have either stopped lying to her clanmates and breaking the code. Or be honest with them and leave to go join ShadowClan from the start. Not use Bumblestripe, force Tigerheart to choose between his clan or her, and lead her clanmates on a wild goose chase. No one is saying she can't switch clans, or be upset at Bumblestripe, but her actions and the way she went about it were absolutely grating. She should have just switched clans from the start and prevent all the unnecessary drama. Even more so because she's aware of how wrong she is in certain situations but fans seem to say otherwise. She KNEW that she had to be straight with Bumblestripe and tell him how she actually felt one day, but she couldn't bring herself to do it. Instead she broke it to him by bringing another tom's kits into the camp. If anything she's worse than Ivypool when it comes to communication skills.
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Jun 30, 2021 7:55:23 GMT -5
Dovewing is good, Ivypool is good. there's room here to appreciate them both (or hate them both, if that's your thing), faults and all. they make good drama fodder which is what this series thrives on, so that's cool
And I'm just glad for Dovewing, she made the right choice for herself after a lot of waffling, and now she can focus on carving out her place in ShadowClan.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jun 30, 2021 9:44:00 GMT -5
Dovewing is good, Ivypool is good. there's room here to appreciate them both (or hate them both, if that's your thing), faults and all. they make good drama fodder which is what this series thrives on, so that's cool And I'm just glad for Dovewing, she made the right choice for herself after a lot of waffling, and now she can focus on carving out her place in ShadowClan. I feel like I'm one of the few people who don't take sides with the Dovewing vs Ivypool debate, instead appreciating both of them, lol. You can like characters even if they're at conflict with each other or you don't agree with one of them. (Similar to Bramblestar vs Squirrelflight)
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jun 30, 2021 10:22:57 GMT -5
I like her, she's a comfort character of mine and very relateable.
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Post by Aqua on Jun 30, 2021 11:40:35 GMT -5
Dovewing is good, Ivypool is good. there's room here to appreciate them both (or hate them both, if that's your thing), faults and all. they make good drama fodder which is what this series thrives on, so that's cool And I'm just glad for Dovewing, she made the right choice for herself after a lot of waffling, and now she can focus on carving out her place in ShadowClan. I feel like I'm one of the few people who don't take sides with the Dovewing vs Ivypool debate, instead appreciating both of them, lol. You can like characters even if they're at conflict with each other or you don't agree with one of them. (Similar to Bramblestar vs Squirrelflight) Personally, for my own experience, I prefer Dovewing because I relate to her struggles with herself (not the stupid romantic part, but about what's right for her), whereas Ivypool's own growth was predictable and boring. I can't relate to a character who went to the dark side because of petty jealousy, taking it out on her own sister for things that weren't her fault. I understand jealousy, I've felt left out and gone through jealousy before, and I can sympathize with her for feeling left out, but the way how Ivypaw went about it rubbed me the wrong way, and it left me a bad taste in my mouth after she disowned her sister instead of accepting her and her feelings after she left for ShadowClan. Ivypool has always been harsh with Dovewing and never tried to understand her feelings about Tigerheart, I don't see that anywhere in the books, she's always telling her "BREAK UP WITH HIM" instead of sitting down and talking about it. They talked once, but NOT about Tiger, it was about the jealousy thing, which I'm glad they did, but that communication skills was wasted for Dovewing leaving. Kind of upsets me that the Erins didn't just let Dove, Tiger, and Ivy talk about this situation together. They should have. It would have been much more easier for them to deal with each other if all three sat down and talked to one another. Dovewing tried to reach out to both of them, but Tiger was dumb and didn't know how to support his own wife, and Ivy didn't want to deal with her anymore. Maybe I'm just harsh on Ivypool myself because I'm more forgiving with people like Dovewing. I don't agree with a lot of the things Dovewing has done but you can tell in the books she clearly needed someone but nobody attempted to be there for her and if she had to talk to someone outside of Tiger and Ivy, it meant she had to spill the secret and she obviously wasn't going to do that. Dove was lonely and I can sympathize with that a little more than Ivy's "STOP SEEING YOU'RE BOYFRIEND I'M MAD AT YOU" bullcrap. I guess Dove should have at least talked to Bumble, I feel he would've been willing to talk about her problems, but after the entire kits thing, I can't really blame her for not wanting to. I know a lot of people are gonna be pissed because I "blame Ivy for what Dove does" but I don't blame Ivy at all, I understand why she's fed up with Dovewing breaking the code, but rereading the recent books in TBC, she's clearly still salty with Dove being with Tiger, she was salty about Bristle having feelings for Root, and she was salty when Twig left for SkyClan. She seems to have a grudge for cats leaving her, and honestly that comes off as a little petty, and considering how Ivy had an edge to her tone, she clearly still has a problem with Dove leaving her clan and probably would've had a problem if Bristle did the same with Root. Ivy just doesn't seem to be the understanding or sympathetic type when it comes to cats wanting to leave their clan, and it rubs me the wrong way how she's angry at them instead. I don't like how Ivy handled these situations, especially with her sister, and she needs to stop feeling bitter at the fact that sometimes cats aren't happy within their own clan. Dove is more understanding. She was understanding with the Dark Forest trainees, she was patient with kittypets in BrS, she accepts others for who they are (ex: accepting Tiger abandoning her) and she's WAY less harsh to others in general. I'm not saying Dove is a saint, but she's a LOT more sympathetic with others. Tbh the only things that made me love her a little less was when she talked crap about her Clanmates in SqH and how she ran off with unborn kits, I don't appreciate that crap, but I feel like there's more good traits in her than bad. Part of me wishes Dove's character was more focused on herself though, it would've made her own growth a lot more interesting than what we got now tbh. But this is why I prefer Dovewing over Ivypool. Ivypool is too harsh and less sympathetic, while Dovewing is the complete opposite and I feel I can relate to that a lot more. People seem to prefer one sister over the other due to their own experiences and that's totally okay lol. They can like whoever they want to. These sisters definitely have an interesting relationship with one another, I only wish it was written a lot better.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 30, 2021 12:14:15 GMT -5
I feel like I'm one of the few people who don't take sides with the Dovewing vs Ivypool debate, instead appreciating both of them, lol. You can like characters even if they're at conflict with each other or you don't agree with one of them. (Similar to Bramblestar vs Squirrelflight) I know a lot of people are gonna be pissed because I "blame Ivy for what Dove does" but I don't blame Ivy at all, I understand why she's fed up with Dovewing breaking the code, but rereading the recent books in TBC, she's clearly still salty with Dove being with Tiger, she was salty about Bristle having feelings for Root, and she was salty when Twig left for SkyClan. She seems to have a grudge for cats leaving her, and honestly that comes off as a little petty, and considering how Ivy had an edge to her tone, she clearly still has a problem with Dove leaving her clan and probably would've had a problem if Bristle did the same with Root. Ivy just doesn't seem to be the understanding or sympathetic type when it comes to cats wanting to leave their clan, and it rubs me the wrong way how she's angry at them instead. I don't like how Ivy handled these situations, especially with her sister, and she needs to stop feeling bitter at the fact that sometimes cats aren't happy within their own clan. ??? Please show where any of that happened. Ivypool was rightfully upset that Twigbranch decided to jump ship near her warrior ceremony of all things, just as much as Leafstar was annoyed with her doing it yet again during her warrior ceremony in SkyClan. And even then Ivypool did admit that she didn't blame her for it and she understood why she left, and she was okay with it. Twigbranch at least had a legitamate reason for why she had to leave and was honest about her choice, so Ivypool accepted it even if she was saddened by it. She wasn't being "salty", is not allowed to have qualms about her apprentice up and leaving a moment's notice? She never held it against Twigbranch, accepted her choice, and understood where she was coming from, while Twigbranch on the other hand was upfront, honest and very brave for her decisions. She also was not "salty" about her daughter having feelings for Rootspring. Bristlefrost, just like Twigbranch, was honest with her mother, and Ivypool could understand how she felt. She was thankful that Bristlefrost wasn't naieve enough to jump ship and make horrible decisions that could either get her into trouble, or her being reckless, unlike another someone she knows. She accepted her daughter's feelings, and gave her the choice to choose what was right, and even if she didn't approve of her feelings for Root, as long as she stayed within the code and was honest to her and her clanmates, then she was okay with it. If anything she was very supportive of Bristlefrost, because she's a good mother. How she reacted with either of them had nothing to with her being "salty" over Dovewing. Ivypool has her own life and relationships, not everything revolves around her troublemaking sister. She isn't bitter about Dovewing leaving, she's upset that her sister constantly broke the code, lied to her, went behind all of their backs and broke their trust (twice), before pulling a disappearing act and scaring the living daylights out of everyone for moons. Only to show up again with Tigerheart's kits, since lmao she never told anyone she was also pregnant when she ran away, and then thinking she can come back to visit TC whenever she wants despite literally betraying her clan and then later shit talks them. Dovewing made her choice, she should stick with it. And she wasn't honest about squat until she knew she couldn't hide her secrets anymore, aka her having kits, she even acknowledges how much harder that was when she was talking with Tigerheart. Dovewing took zero responsibility for her actions, acted like a brat and expected to be coddled, then got away with what she did scott free because she was sharing nests with a clan leader. The fact that younger cats can do what she did but better and more mature, says a lot about Dovewing's character as a warrior.
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
Villain Enjoyer
Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 30, 2021 13:12:42 GMT -5
I like Dovewing but think that her potential as a character was wasted in favor of just another love drama.
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Post by Aqua on Jun 30, 2021 13:26:19 GMT -5
I know a lot of people are gonna be pissed because I "blame Ivy for what Dove does" but I don't blame Ivy at all, I understand why she's fed up with Dovewing breaking the code, but rereading the recent books in TBC, she's clearly still salty with Dove being with Tiger, she was salty about Bristle having feelings for Root, and she was salty when Twig left for SkyClan. She seems to have a grudge for cats leaving her, and honestly that comes off as a little petty, and considering how Ivy had an edge to her tone, she clearly still has a problem with Dove leaving her clan and probably would've had a problem if Bristle did the same with Root. Ivy just doesn't seem to be the understanding or sympathetic type when it comes to cats wanting to leave their clan, and it rubs me the wrong way how she's angry at them instead. I don't like how Ivy handled these situations, especially with her sister, and she needs to stop feeling bitter at the fact that sometimes cats aren't happy within their own clan. ??? Please show where any of that happened. Ivypool was rightfully upset that Twigbranch decided to jump ship near her warrior ceremony of all things, just as much as Leafstar was annoyed with her doing it yet again during her warrior ceremony in SkyClan. And even then Ivypool did admit that she didn't blame her for it and she understood why she left, and she was okay with it. Twigbranch at least had a legitamate reason for why she had to leave and was honest about her choice, so Ivypool accepted it even if she was saddened by it. She wasn't being "salty", is not allowed to have qualms about her apprentice up and leaving a moment's notice? She never held it against Twigbranch, accepted her choice, and understood where she was coming from, while Twigbranch on the other hand was upfront, honest and very brave for her decisions. She also was not "salty" about her daughter having feelings for Rootspring. Bristlefrost, just like Twigbranch, was honest with her mother, and Ivypool could understand how she felt. She was thankful that Bristlefrost wasn't naieve enough to jump ship and make horrible decisions that could either get her into trouble, or her being reckless, unlike another someone she knows. She accepted her daughter's feelings, and gave her the choice to choose what was right, and even if she didn't approve of her feelings for Root, as long as she stayed within the code and was honest to her and her clanmates, then she was okay with it. If anything she was very supportive of Bristlefrost, because she's a good mother. How she reacted with either of them had nothing to with her being "salty" over Dovewing. Ivypool has her own life and relationships, not everything revolves around her troublemaking sister. She isn't bitter about Dovewing leaving, she's upset that her sister constantly broke the code, lied to her, went behind all of their backs and broke their trust (twice), before pulling a disappearing act and scaring the living daylights out of everyone for moons. Only to show up again with Tigerheart's kits, since lmao she never told anyone she was also pregnant when she ran away, and then thinking she can come back to visit TC whenever she wants despite literally betraying her clan and then later shit talks them. Dovewing made her choice, she should stick with it. And she wasn't honest about squat until she knew she couldn't hide her secrets anymore, aka her having kits, she even acknowledges how much harder that was when she was talking with Tigerheart. Dovewing took zero responsibility for her actions, acted like a brat and expected to be coddled, then got away with what she did scott free because she was sharing nests with a clan leader. The fact that younger cats can do what she did but better and more mature, says a lot about Dovewing's character as a warrior. I don't feel like going into another argument that's gonna obviously go in circles. We'll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by cygna on Jun 30, 2021 13:37:39 GMT -5
I know a lot of people are gonna be pissed because I "blame Ivy for what Dove does" but I don't blame Ivy at all, I understand why she's fed up with Dovewing breaking the code, but rereading the recent books in TBC, she's clearly still salty with Dove being with Tiger, she was salty about Bristle having feelings for Root, and she was salty when Twig left for SkyClan. She seems to have a grudge for cats leaving her, and honestly that comes off as a little petty, and considering how Ivy had an edge to her tone, she clearly still has a problem with Dove leaving her clan and probably would've had a problem if Bristle did the same with Root. Ivy just doesn't seem to be the understanding or sympathetic type when it comes to cats wanting to leave their clan, and it rubs me the wrong way how she's angry at them instead. I don't like how Ivy handled these situations, especially with her sister, and she needs to stop feeling bitter at the fact that sometimes cats aren't happy within their own clan. ??? Please show where any of that happened. Ivypool was rightfully upset that Twigbranch decided to jump ship near her warrior ceremony of all things, just as much as Leafstar was annoyed with her doing it yet again during her warrior ceremony in SkyClan. And even then Ivypool did admit that she didn't blame her for it and she understood why she left, and she was okay with it. Twigbranch at least had a legitamate reason for why she had to leave and was honest about her choice, so Ivypool accepted it even if she was saddened by it. She wasn't being "salty", is not allowed to have qualms about her apprentice up and leaving a moment's notice? She never held it against Twigbranch, accepted her choice, and understood where she was coming from, while Twigbranch on the other hand was upfront, honest and very brave for her decisions. She also was not "salty" about her daughter having feelings for Rootspring. Bristlefrost, just like Twigbranch, was honest with her mother, and Ivypool could understand how she felt. She was thankful that Bristlefrost wasn't naieve enough to jump ship and make horrible decisions that could either get her into trouble, or her being reckless, unlike another someone she knows. She accepted her daughter's feelings, and gave her the choice to choose what was right, and even if she didn't approve of her feelings for Root, as long as she stayed within the code and was honest to her and her clanmates, then she was okay with it. If anything she was very supportive of Bristlefrost, because she's a good mother. How she reacted with either of them had nothing to with her being "salty" over Dovewing. Ivypool has her own life and relationships, not everything revolves around her troublemaking sister. She isn't bitter about Dovewing leaving, she's upset that her sister constantly broke the code, lied to her, went behind all of their backs and broke their trust (twice), before pulling a disappearing act and scaring the living daylights out of everyone for moons. Only to show up again with Tigerheart's kits, since lmao she never told anyone she was also pregnant when she ran away, and then thinking she can come back to visit TC whenever she wants despite literally betraying her clan and then later shit talks them. Dovewing made her choice, she should stick with it. And she wasn't honest about squat until she knew she couldn't hide her secrets anymore, aka her having kits, she even acknowledges how much harder that was when she was talking with Tigerheart. Dovewing took zero responsibility for her actions, acted like a brat and expected to be coddled, then got away with what she did scott free because she was sharing nests with a clan leader. The fact that younger cats can do what she did but better and more mature, says a lot about Dovewing's character as a warrior. Oh my... you said everything that was in my head so perfectly. I strongly agree with this. Great analysis!!!
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 30, 2021 13:42:05 GMT -5
I like Dovewing but think that her potential as a character was wasted in favor of just another love drama. i agree with this. i dont remember dovewing accomplishing a single thing prophecy related throughout the entirity of OotS...all anyone remembers from OotS dovewing is the love drama and sister drama...like what did dovewing even do the entire arc besides bickering with people? if dovewing was more focused on her powers, helping others, and actually participating in the final battle in a bigger way, people would hate her and her drama a bit less i think. i know i would. im a broken record but if hollyleaf was the third, there'd be no dragged out love drama...hollyleaf would have gotten stuff done.
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Post by crispyfriedtoes on Jun 30, 2021 16:30:49 GMT -5
I won't deny that I found her stubbornness as an apprentice hard to swallow and, while ivypool wasn't the best, her dismissiveness to her sister's insecurities make it hard to like Dovewing.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jun 30, 2021 16:49:15 GMT -5
She's a mess.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 30, 2021 17:20:13 GMT -5
Dovewing's lines in SH were some of the most ignorant spew to come out of Shadowclan in a while,
"“It’s not that.” Dovewing moved closer, lowering her voice. “It’s the way ThunderClan does things,” she murmured. “I can see why the other Clans get irritated. ThunderClan cats only seem to be able to see their point of view. It’s like they think they’re better than everyone else. And Bramblestar always acts like he knows best, when he doesn’t know any more than any other leader.”"
This she says as her mate is threatening Skyclan and threatening war if the other clans do not capitulate to his every demand immediately.
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Post by cygna on Jun 30, 2021 17:31:13 GMT -5
Dovewing's lines in SH were some of the most ignorant spew to come out of Shadowclan in a while, "“It’s not that.” Dovewing moved closer, lowering her voice. “It’s the way ThunderClan does things,” she murmured. “I can see why the other Clans get irritated. ThunderClan cats only seem to be able to see their point of view. It’s like they think they’re better than everyone else. And Bramblestar always acts like he knows best, when he doesn’t know any more than any other leader.”" This she says as her mate is threatening Skyclan and threatening war if the other clans do not capitulate to his every demand immediately. I hate Bramblestar but that’s pretty unkind of Dovewing to say.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 1, 2021 18:16:28 GMT -5
Dovewing's lines in SH were some of the most ignorant spew to come out of Shadowclan in a while, "“It’s not that.” Dovewing moved closer, lowering her voice. “It’s the way ThunderClan does things,” she murmured. “I can see why the other Clans get irritated. ThunderClan cats only seem to be able to see their point of view. It’s like they think they’re better than everyone else. And Bramblestar always acts like he knows best, when he doesn’t know any more than any other leader.”" This she says as her mate is threatening Skyclan and threatening war if the other clans do not capitulate to his every demand immediately. Definitely ironic given how Shadowclan is I wonder if the authors make her unlikable on purpose
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Post by Aqua on Jul 1, 2021 18:33:18 GMT -5
Dovewing's lines in SH were some of the most ignorant spew to come out of Shadowclan in a while, "“It’s not that.” Dovewing moved closer, lowering her voice. “It’s the way ThunderClan does things,” she murmured. “I can see why the other Clans get irritated. ThunderClan cats only seem to be able to see their point of view. It’s like they think they’re better than everyone else. And Bramblestar always acts like he knows best, when he doesn’t know any more than any other leader.”" This she says as her mate is threatening Skyclan and threatening war if the other clans do not capitulate to his every demand immediately. Definitely ironic given how Shadowclan is I wonder if the authors make her unlikable on purpose Kate likely does. She has also written Bramblestar as some "cold & heartless cat" when that's not who he really is in SqH. Whenever Dovewing does something crappy, whether it's leaving with unborn kits or talking crap about her Clanmates, notice that it's Kate writing the books. Not bashing her for anything, but I'm just saying this is what I noticed about her writing with Dovewing compared to Cherith's writing. Cherith's Dovewing is more likable and feels more of a character to her than Kate's Dovewing. Dovewing isn't a consistent character.
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