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Post by Katanaheart on Jun 28, 2021 10:16:25 GMT -5
I had considered this for part of yesterday. But would it not have made more sense for Spiderleg to be in Ashfur’s place? Squirrelflight had some form of friendship with his littermate, Shrewpaw. They could have bonded after his death and had an interesting relationship. Things could have soured slightly with Squirrelflight being made a warrior before him. (I might be wrong about this detail but I think she was made a warrior very early?) He also has the more negative and absent personality that could have allowed for more twisted emotions to fester. I doubt he would have taken the same steps as Ashfur but I think he would have been a better option in his position. Spiderleg also isn’t older than Brambleclaw and would be closer in age to Squirrelflight as well, so there’s also that.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 28, 2021 12:55:02 GMT -5
I don't think Squirrelflight needs to ruin any more toms lol. I can see it working in an au I suppose, but I'm not fond of Squirrel x any cats tbh, including Shrewpaw. But if it meant Spiderleg gets a more screentime, then maybe? I'd be on the fence about it.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 28, 2021 14:11:13 GMT -5
i agree with u tbh. spiderleg being closer to squirrelflight's age lessens the control her other options had one her (ashfur, brambleclaw, and stormfur were all older than her and had some kind of leverage over her. stormfur wasnt as bad as ash and bramble obviously, but still).
spiderleg would have been an easier cat to make "evil." ashfur was a good kid as an apprentice, and his friendship with brambleclaw would have been great to see instead of the writers using that to turn it into a rivalry. cats need more on screen friends. do we know if brambleclaw is close friends with anyone else lol.
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Post by Katanaheart on Jun 28, 2021 14:21:24 GMT -5
i agree with u tbh. spiderleg being closer to squirrelflight's age lessens the control her other options had one her (ashfur, brambleclaw, and stormfur were all older than her and had some kind of leverage over her. stormfur wasnt as bad as ash and bramble obviously, but still). spiderleg would have been an easier cat to make "evil." ashfur was a good kid as an apprentice, and his friendship with brambleclaw would have been great to see instead of the writers using that to turn it into a rivalry. cats need more on screen friends. do we know if brambleclaw is close friends with anyone else lol. At that time, I don’t remember if we even knew Spiderpaw/Spiderleg’s personality. He really could have slid into Ashfur’s shoes there instead. Now that you mention it, I cannot recall Bramblestar having any friends, both as a leader, deputy, and warrior. Does he even have friends? Cats respect him and like him in a leadership position but he doesn’t really have friends, that I remember?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 28, 2021 14:29:33 GMT -5
i agree with u tbh. spiderleg being closer to squirrelflight's age lessens the control her other options had one her (ashfur, brambleclaw, and stormfur were all older than her and had some kind of leverage over her. stormfur wasnt as bad as ash and bramble obviously, but still). spiderleg would have been an easier cat to make "evil." ashfur was a good kid as an apprentice, and his friendship with brambleclaw would have been great to see instead of the writers using that to turn it into a rivalry. cats need more on screen friends. do we know if brambleclaw is close friends with anyone else lol. At that time, I don’t remember if we even knew Spiderpaw/Spiderleg’s personality. He really could have slid into Ashfur’s shoes there instead. Now that you mention it, I cannot recall Bramblestar having any friends, both as a leader, deputy, and warrior. Does he even have friends? Cats respect him and like him in a leadership position but he doesn’t really have friends, that I remember? shrewpaw was shown to be squirrel's friend and then he dies, so clearly the series never cared about friendships since all the way in TNP lol. they did show bramble and ash being friendly but then we all know what they did to ashfur. plus spiderleg is shown as aggressive later on too, so him being in ashfur's place would have fit way better than ashfur suddenly turning out this way after being shown as "nice" for a while before.
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Post by Katanaheart on Jun 28, 2021 14:48:07 GMT -5
At that time, I don’t remember if we even knew Spiderpaw/Spiderleg’s personality. He really could have slid into Ashfur’s shoes there instead. Now that you mention it, I cannot recall Bramblestar having any friends, both as a leader, deputy, and warrior. Does he even have friends? Cats respect him and like him in a leadership position but he doesn’t really have friends, that I remember? shrewpaw was shown to be squirrel's friend and then he dies, so clearly the series never cared about friendships since all the way in TNP lol. they did show bramble and ash being friendly but then we all know what they did to ashfur. plus spiderleg is shown as aggressive later on too, so him being in ashfur's place would have fit way better than ashfur suddenly turning out this way after being shown as "nice" for a while before. I remember Leafpool having plenty of friends. Sorreltail, Cody, Reedwhisker’s relationship on the friend side could’ve been further developed with Leafpool for another. (Also Mothwing.) Her earlier friendships do get dropped once she’s no longer a main character though.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 28, 2021 14:55:10 GMT -5
i agree with u tbh. spiderleg being closer to squirrelflight's age lessens the control her other options had one her (ashfur, brambleclaw, and stormfur were all older than her and had some kind of leverage over her. stormfur wasnt as bad as ash and bramble obviously, but still). spiderleg would have been an easier cat to make "evil." ashfur was a good kid as an apprentice, and his friendship with brambleclaw would have been great to see instead of the writers using that to turn it into a rivalry. cats need more on screen friends. do we know if brambleclaw is close friends with anyone else lol. "Good kid" What makes him anymore of a good kid than a child Thistleclaw, Hawkfrost, or Scourge? Just because someone was pleasant enough as a child is irrelevant, villains don't just spring up out of the ground with an evil expression in their thoughts for the most part.
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Post by Fallenflower on Jun 28, 2021 15:14:08 GMT -5
Spiderleg doesn't seem like he'd be a great fit for Squirrelflight. When he was with Daisy, Spiderleg paid no attention to the kits they had. Even if he likes Squirrelflight, but he wouldn't be a good father to the PO3, or their AVOS hypokits.
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Post by Katanaheart on Jun 28, 2021 15:16:30 GMT -5
Spiderleg doesn't seem like he'd be a great fit for Squirrelflight. When he was with Daisy, Spiderleg paid no attention to the kits they had. Even if he likes Squirrelflight, but he wouldn't be a good father to the PO3, or their AVOS hypokits. Spiderleg wouldn’t have been a father to the PO3 kits anyway. Brambleclaw still would have been. Spiderleg merely replaces Ashfur in this scenario not Brambleclaw. So he would have no kits to speak of with Squirrelflight in general, hypothetical or otherwise.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 28, 2021 15:22:35 GMT -5
i agree with u tbh. spiderleg being closer to squirrelflight's age lessens the control her other options had one her (ashfur, brambleclaw, and stormfur were all older than her and had some kind of leverage over her. stormfur wasnt as bad as ash and bramble obviously, but still). spiderleg would have been an easier cat to make "evil." ashfur was a good kid as an apprentice, and his friendship with brambleclaw would have been great to see instead of the writers using that to turn it into a rivalry. cats need more on screen friends. do we know if brambleclaw is close friends with anyone else lol. "Good kid" What makes him anymore of a good kid than a child Thistleclaw, Hawkfrost, or Scourge? Just because someone was pleasant enough as a child is irrelevant, villains don't just spring up out of the ground with an evil expression in their thoughts for the most part. in the beginning of TNP, before squirrelpaw left, he didnt treat her special at all. he was a generic good warrior like the others. when squirrel comes back, he acts as if they were the closest of chums and he "missed her so much" or whatever.
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Post by Fallenflower on Jun 28, 2021 15:26:46 GMT -5
Spiderleg doesn't seem like he'd be a great fit for Squirrelflight. When he was with Daisy, Spiderleg paid no attention to the kits they had. Even if he likes Squirrelflight, but he wouldn't be a good father to the PO3, or their AVOS hypokits. Spiderleg wouldn’t have been a father to the PO3 kits anyway. Brambleclaw still would have been. Spiderleg merely replaces Ashfur in this scenario not Brambleclaw. So he would have no kits to speak of with Squirrelflight in general, hypothetical or otherwise. Oooh okay. If Spiderleg replaced Ashfur, then Ashfur would stay a side character. Spiderleg was a bit more interesting than pre-TNP Ashfur, so I would prefer Ashfur over Spiderleg.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 28, 2021 15:37:46 GMT -5
"Good kid" What makes him anymore of a good kid than a child Thistleclaw, Hawkfrost, or Scourge? Just because someone was pleasant enough as a child is irrelevant, villains don't just spring up out of the ground with an evil expression in their thoughts for the most part. in the beginning of TNP, before squirrelpaw left, he didnt treat her special at all. he was a generic good warrior like the others. when squirrel comes back, he acts as if they were the closest of chums and he "missed her so much" or whatever. That's not true. Ashfur only moved in once she and Brambleclaw had their spat and she seemed to approach him first.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 28, 2021 17:10:42 GMT -5
in the beginning of TNP, before squirrelpaw left, he didnt treat her special at all. he was a generic good warrior like the others. when squirrel comes back, he acts as if they were the closest of chums and he "missed her so much" or whatever. That's not true. Ashfur only moved in once she and Brambleclaw had their spat and she seemed to approach him first. i dont have the book pdf but on the wiki, it says in dawn, he touches muzzle to muzzle with her and purrs...which is very bizzare. usually the cats would only do that to cats they're close with or with family...ashfur was not close to squirrel before she left on the journey so its out of nowhere.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 28, 2021 17:18:34 GMT -5
That's not true. Ashfur only moved in once she and Brambleclaw had their spat and she seemed to approach him first. i dont have the book pdf but on the wiki, it says in dawn, he touches muzzle to muzzle with her and purrs...which is very bizzare. usually the cats would only do that to cats they're close with or with family...ashfur was not close to squirrel before she left on the journey so its out of nowhere. A single chapter before Cinderpelt does the exact same thing with Squirrelflight. You're reading too much into it.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 28, 2021 17:20:23 GMT -5
i dont have the book pdf but on the wiki, it says in dawn, he touches muzzle to muzzle with her and purrs...which is very bizzare. usually the cats would only do that to cats they're close with or with family...ashfur was not close to squirrel before she left on the journey so its out of nowhere. A single chapter before Cinderpelt does the exact same thing with Squirrelflight. You're reading too much into it. i dont think so. squirrelflight being friendly with her sister's mentor isnt as strange as an older warrior being overly friend with her. agree to disagree.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jun 29, 2021 0:10:33 GMT -5
I mean Spiderleg reacting that way to Squirrelflight seems more natural than Ashfur but hmm i've grown too fond of Spiderleg
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 6:08:27 GMT -5
Okay but imagine the whole shadowsight feeling ash in his fur vision or whatever if it had been spiderleg instead
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 30, 2021 10:47:11 GMT -5
While I agree that Ashfur's attraction towards Squirrelflight was a bit sudden in Dawn I'm now completely fine with how their short friendship/relationship was portrayed afterwards and how it fell apart while developing his character into a way more twisted version. Sure, Ashfur was alright as an apprentice but he wasn't actually overly sweet or anything like that so the writing team could have taken his personality in either direction during TNP (good or bad) which they did.
Spiderleg would have been another option just like Thornclaw, Rainwhisker or Sootfur who all didn't that have much interesting stuff going for them either, similar to Ashfur before he got apparently randomly chosen by the team to become a (later jilted) love interest. His characterization while Graystripe's Vow was taking place also pissed me off at first but after realizing how much of a blank slate Ashfur really was prior to his rivalry with Brambleclaw over Squirrelflight the authors/editors simply added on to this by showing his true colors there to give him more agency as a (TBC) villain.
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Jun 30, 2021 11:25:31 GMT -5
Okay but imagine the whole shadowsight feeling ash in his fur vision or whatever if it had been spiderleg instead Shadowsight tried to run, but his legs felt jilted and thin beneath him. He couldn't control where he placed his paws... These aren't paws! His paw-less legs looked long, thin and hairy-- and there were eight of them. They all seemed to crawl and move on their own. Panic bubbled within Shadowsight. His own legs were now carrying him towards the wall! He shut his eyes, expecting an incoming collision. A heavy weight rushed through his head. Shadowsight cracked his eyes open. His whole body was aligned vertically, and he realized that he was climbing up the walls of the medicine den. Shadowsight gasped, I am a spider!ALTERNATIVELY "Would you like something to eat?" He scraped the dirt beneath him, revealing a stash of fresh-kill. "We have mouse, thrush, spiders, squirrel--" "Spiders?" Shadowsight blinked. "Spiders it is, then." "No, that wasn't--" But he was already dropping a brimming hole-full of spiders into Shadowsight's mouth, its legs tickling his tongue.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 30, 2021 13:39:35 GMT -5
αɳσɱαʅყshadowsight's nightmare would just involve a bunch of spiders crawling all over him until he's drowned by a horde of spiders.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 1, 2021 11:22:21 GMT -5
αɳσɱαʅყ ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆Boy the idea of visions for that would set my arachnophobia WAY off. x.x
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