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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Jun 22, 2021 13:34:56 GMT -5
Besides Blackstar, Mudclaw, Clear Sky and Breezepelt there really aren't that many other villains/antagonists who realized their mistakes in the Warriors series. So I would just love to see more of them in future main arcs, SEs or Graphic Novels.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 13:38:10 GMT -5
Besides Blackstar, Mudclaw, Clear Sky and Breezepelt there really aren't that many other villains/antagonists who realized their mistakes in the Warriors series. So I would just love to see more of them in future main arcs, SEs or Graphic Novels. I agree. I think it would be interesting to see them try to live a normal life in their clan especially after what she/he did.
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Post by cygna on Jun 22, 2021 15:35:15 GMT -5
I am all in for a well done redemption arc. If it's well though out and slow it's one of my favorite tropes.
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Post by แนขanษypawโข on Jun 22, 2021 17:12:58 GMT -5
SNOWTUFT! Please Erins, give my man a good sending-off in ALiTM.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 17:23:13 GMT -5
SNOWTUFT! Please Erins, give my man a good sending-off in ALiTM. Watch them kill him off the first few pages of ALiTM
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Post by แนขanษypawโข on Jun 22, 2021 17:26:47 GMT -5
SNOWTUFT! Please Erins, give my man a good sending-off in ALiTM. Watch them kill him off the first few pages of ALiTM *quietly sharpens my knife*
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 17:35:27 GMT -5
We know there's a mole for the Erins here. Maybe if we beg hard enough they'll spare Snowtuft. But people were caping for Stemleaf and calling for Stemstar and look how he turned out...BODIED
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 22, 2021 17:38:12 GMT -5
SNOWTUFT! Please Erins, give my man a good sending-off in ALiTM. Watch them kill him off the first few pages of ALiTM I will be so angry if that's what happens. Let him go to StarClan please.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 17:47:34 GMT -5
You know what would hurt worse than them killing him though? Him turning around mid-book and announcing his betrayal and how he was using them for his own gain. I'd mark the spoiler thread as permaread from there ๐ญ
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 22, 2021 18:07:02 GMT -5
You know what would hurt worse than them killing him though? Him turning around mid-book and announcing his betrayal and how he was using them for his own gain. I'd mark the spoiler thread as permaread from there ๐ญ I would honestly just put down the book then and there and pretend he died valiantly fighting off Ashfur or something.
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It's funny cause I remember MLP having a horrible habit of oversaturating this trope, reforming villains like almost every season, except for like...3? But when it comes to Warriors, it doesn't happen that often, which is surprising, because there's plenty of characters in this series, and it's a long running one, so you'd think they would have done a full on redemption arc by now???
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Post by Fernflower on Jun 22, 2021 20:41:23 GMT -5
It's funny cause I remember MLP having a horrible habit of oversaturating this trope, reforming villains like almost every season, except for like...3? But when it comes to Warriors, it doesn't happen that often, which is surprising, because there's plenty of characters in this series, and it's a long running one, so you'd think they would have done a full on redemption arc by now??? Yeah it's odd hearing people ask for the evil characters to be redeemed, I'm so used to people wanting the bad guys to stay bad because of shows like MLP where they pretty much all get redeemed. I personally don't mind how the bad guys end up--as long as they're well-written and have motives that make sense.
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Post by yondertides on Jun 23, 2021 7:25:08 GMT -5
Yeah, Warriors is overdue for a lengthy, well-planned redemption arc. I think it's a good lesson to have in books: that it might not happen very often, but people can wake up and see the error of their ways, and actively work to improve and change.
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Post by akiko on Jun 23, 2021 12:28:41 GMT -5
Ashfur shoulda gotten a redemption arc. Even just him having been accepted into StarClan saying he repented would've made sense. I feel like something about his arc...is forced.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Jun 23, 2021 13:14:50 GMT -5
Ashfur shoulda gotten a redemption arc. Even just him having been accepted into StarClan saying he repented would've made sense. I feel like something about his arc...is forced. I mean, if Vicky Holmes hadn't left the writing/editor team Ashfur would have gotten away with taking a life from Firestar and trying to burn The Original Three plus Squirrelflight alive just because "he loved too much". Which is something a lot of fans didn't agree with for a long time, including me. So, I'm actually glad that he is finally getting what he truly deserves in TBC. Because going to StarClan for his crimes was certainly not a punishment or even an attempt at proper redemption.
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Post by ๐ฅFirestar๐ฅ on Jun 23, 2021 14:05:55 GMT -5
It's funny cause I remember MLP having a horrible habit of oversaturating this trope, reforming villains like almost every season, except for like...3? But when it comes to Warriors, it doesn't happen that often, which is surprising, because there's plenty of characters in this series, and it's a long running one, so you'd think they would have done a full on redemption arc by now??? Exactly! It's time for the series to make a redemption arc where the character dosen't just fight an enemy and gets inmediately forgiven, or that gets inmediately redeemed because they sacrifice their lives and die for another cat. I want to see a cat apagolizing for their mistakes, taking responsability for them, and becoming a better cat! Hell, maybe in the future they even take a mate and have kits.
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Post by akiko on Jun 23, 2021 17:30:36 GMT -5
Ashfur shoulda gotten a redemption arc. Even just him having been accepted into StarClan saying he repented would've made sense. I feel like something about his arc...is forced. I mean, if Vicky Holmes hadn't left the writing/editor team Ashfur would have gotten away with taking a life from Firestar and trying to burn The Original Three plus Squirrelflight alive just because "he loved too much". Which is something a lot of fans didn't agree with for a long time, including me. So, I'm actually glad that he is finally getting what he truly deserves in TBC. Because going to StarClan for his crimes was certainly not a punishment or even an attempt at proper redemption. I somewhat disagree. I think that if he was remorseful it wouldn't have mattered much, so as long as he really did regret what he did. Although in OOTS he seemed ticked at Jayfeather. But it used to be more about the intent of the spirit rather than the actual actions of the spirit up until, hmmm...I'd say either AVOS or TBC. Something seems to have changed regarding this, as Squirrelflight's Hope clearly shows cats go to StarClan based on actions whereas other arcs show based on remorse and intent. This was why Mudclaw, Ashfur, Raggedstar, and Appledusk managed to get into StarClan. That's why I feel like it's forced. It's a neat concept to have a traitor in StarClan but I feel like recent arcs subtly changed the way the spirit realm works to force it.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Jun 24, 2021 12:41:11 GMT -5
I mean, if Vicky Holmes hadn't left the writing/editor team Ashfur would have gotten away with taking a life from Firestar and trying to burn The Original Three plus Squirrelflight alive just because "he loved too much". Which is something a lot of fans didn't agree with for a long time, including me. So, I'm actually glad that he is finally getting what he truly deserves in TBC. Because going to StarClan for his crimes was certainly not a punishment or even an attempt at proper redemption. I somewhat disagree. I think that if he was remorseful it wouldn't have mattered much, so as long as he really did regret what he did. Although in OOTS he seemed ticked at Jayfeather. But it used to be more about the intent of the spirit rather than the actual actions of the spirit up until, hmmm...I'd say either AVOS or TBC. Something seems to have changed regarding this, as Squirrelflight's Hope clearly shows cats go to StarClan based on actions whereas other arcs show based on remorse and intent. This was why Mudclaw, Ashfur, Raggedstar, and Appledusk managed to get into StarClan. That's why I feel like it's forced. It's a neat concept to have a traitor in StarClan but I feel like recent arcs subtly changed the way the spirit realm works to force it. The problem with Ashfur is that he probably made himself out to be remorseful so he could join StarClan at the end of PoT just to quite obviously still be pissed at Jayfeather in his only scene during OotS. Again, he conspired with Hawkfrost to murder his own leader which took a life from the latter in the process and later tried to kill Squirrelflight and her "kits" with the sole reason that she had rejected him. This already showed what kind of awful and pathetic cat Ashfur truly was back in the third arc after he revealed his involvement in Hawkfrost's plan during the fire scene. Even if Ashfur had genuinely regretted his actions, this still doesn't change the fact that he comitted these crimes just because Squirrelflight turned him down. Also, that one scene in Squirrelflight's Hope where it actually looks like everything is fine between Ashfur and Hollyleaf was one of the most unsettling and unnatural things I've ever read in the Warriors series. Even Squirrelflight felt rightfully uncomfortable as it seemed like everyone in StarClan was alright with what had happened between them. Him showing his true colors/still being an incel during TBC makes sense in canon despite Vicky Holmes trying to portray him as being misunderstood up until she finally left the project.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 24, 2021 13:36:06 GMT -5
It's funny cause I remember MLP having a horrible habit of oversaturating this trope, reforming villains like almost every season, except for like...3? But when it comes to Warriors, it doesn't happen that often, which is surprising, because there's plenty of characters in this series, and it's a long running one, so you'd think they would have done a full on redemption arc by now??? Yeah it's odd hearing people ask for the evil characters to be redeemed, I'm so used to people wanting the bad guys to stay bad because of shows like MLP where they pretty much all get redeemed. I personally don't mind how the bad guys end up--as long as they're well-written and have motives that make sense. As long as they weren't 2-Dimensional before and do a complete 180, I'm fine with it, in moderation. I feel the same way about bringing characters back from the dead. If seldom done, and done properly, it can be effective. But Doctor Who took that trope and ran away with it to the moon and back so...
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ on Jul 6, 2021 5:29:20 GMT -5
SNOWTUFT! Please Erins, give my man a good sending-off in ALiTM. Watch them kill him off the first few pages of ALiTM And they will probably let Mapleshade kill him or something because they can't stop making Mapleshade a plus villain for everything that even has the Dark Forest in it.
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Post by Redstorm on Jul 7, 2021 0:29:52 GMT -5
I think if done right, a Hawkfrost who realized how much he was bullshitted and used as a pawn by his dad would be interesting. Maybe also add some of trauma regarding Tadpole's death.
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