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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 22, 2021 12:38:54 GMT -5
So it seems to me, and I could be mistaken, but a chimera cat (the kind with a harsh contrast in pelts, like the cat in my profile image) has never been introduced before. Given they're incredibly rare I'm not surprised, and I doubt the Erins would treat them well; they'd probably make it out to be a bad omen and make the character Sol 2.0 I'm just curious, how would you think the Clan cats would react to seeing a chimera tom? (I'm using them as an example given we know them the most, even though a lot are fodder with no real personality.) Would they be initially startled by their dual pelt or would they not bat an eye? (Note: I have no reason for making this post by the way other than I'm bored and because, on a side note, I'm writing an OC that exists in an alternate world to the Warriors universe (as to not conflict with canon) and I'm making them chimera, so yeah... If you're curious, the left half of their pelt will be black and the left side of their pelt will be a light brown with white flecks; their left eye will be blue and their right eye will be yellow.)
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Post by Snowfire on Jun 22, 2021 12:43:44 GMT -5
I think some cats would see it as a sign/omen, or they would think a chimera cat might have some sort of special ability.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 22, 2021 12:47:37 GMT -5
If by "Chimera" you mean the Venus half-faced tortie cat (who was confirmed to not be a chimera and is actually a very common pattern for torties) then frankly I'd be less speculating about how the clan would react and more annoyed that the Erins took a very common misconception and tried to slap chimera on it. :U
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 22, 2021 12:50:21 GMT -5
If by "Chimera" you mean the Venus half-faced tortie cat (who was confirmed to not be a chimera") then frankly I'd be less speculating about how the clan would react and more annoyed that the Erins took a very common misconception and tried to slap chimera on it. :U There are several real chimera cats on the web. But yes, "Venus" was confirmed not to be chimera. (Note: The cat as my profile pic isn't Venus but another she-cat, but I can't remember her name.) It depends on how we define "chimera" though. One definition is "mixed pelt" and the other is when two embryo's fuse to form one kitten but where they are their own twin.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 22, 2021 12:55:28 GMT -5
As for a real comment on this, if you reeaally wanna get technical for a minute, there ARE chimeric cats in Warriors and have been, such as grey/blue cats with black paws (I swear there's a character like that and whatnot), they are there if you're a stickler like me when it comes to knowing what can go on a cat coat naturally without chimerism in effect, but nobody sees it as odd or weird at all. They're treated like normal cats, they just aren't actually called chimeras. I don't think these cats even know what chimeras are.
Just because the editors that design these cats don't know a lick of sense of how dense/dilute does not naturally mix without chimerism in effect, it doesn't make the cats they make not chimeras just because they actually aren't called that, if that makes sense.
And like ya brought up, indeed I've seen the many legit chimera cats on the web, I'm quite fascinated about chimera cats even to where I have multiple OCs that are. I frequented Messybeast the most to see chimeras after all. ;P
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 22, 2021 12:57:19 GMT -5
As for a real comment on this, if you reeaally wanna get technical for a minute, there ARE chimeric cats in Warriors and have been, such as grey/blue cats with black paws (I swear there's a character like that and whatnot), they are there if you're a stickler like me when it comes to knowing what can go on a cat coat naturally without chimerism in effect, but nobody sees it as odd or weird at all. They're treated like normal cats, they just aren't actually called chimeras. I don't think these cats even know what chimeras are. Just because the editors that design these cats don't know a lick of sense of how dense/dilute does not naturally mix without chimerism in effect, it doesn't make the cats they make not chimeras just because they actually aren't called that, if that makes sense. That makes perfect sense, yes. I was going to rename "chimera cat" to "dual pelted cat" but given your analysis that wouldn't be necessary given, like you said, they would be treated as a normal cat. (But again, I can definitely see the Erins messing it up here.) Edit: "Quimera" is the name of the cat in my profile picture. So given your knowledge of "dual pelted cats" (I'll be using that term from now on), would you say that a 50/50 split from head to tail would be possible? In my head obviously it would be quite impossible and too coincidental, but then again I had the same reaction when I encountered dual pelted cats on the web; I thought they were photoshopped for the longest time. So I'm up in arms here.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jun 22, 2021 13:09:59 GMT -5
As for a real comment on this, if you reeaally wanna get technical for a minute, there ARE chimeric cats in Warriors and have been, such as grey/blue cats with black paws (I swear there's a character like that and whatnot), they are there if you're a stickler like me when it comes to knowing what can go on a cat coat naturally without chimerism in effect, but nobody sees it as odd or weird at all. They're treated like normal cats, they just aren't actually called chimeras. I don't think these cats even know what chimeras are. Just because the editors that design these cats don't know a lick of sense of how dense/dilute does not naturally mix without chimerism in effect, it doesn't make the cats they make not chimeras just because they actually aren't called that, if that makes sense. And like ya brought up, indeed I've seen the many legit chimera cats on the web, I'm quite fascinated about chimera cats even to where I have multiple OCs that are. I frequented Messybeast the most to see chimeras after all. ;P Completely agreed. The cats in Warriors would not at all be surprised by a chimera because cat genetics are not accurate in the series. Another example of what would have to be a chimera or have some sort of mutation (ex. somatic mutation) in real life are the cats with brown and black pelts, for example, Antfur (from ShadowClan).
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 22, 2021 13:36:08 GMT -5
So here is what I've gathered from this. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding anything.
There are two definitions of "chimera"; one is a genetic term and the other is a gross misrepresentation that butchers the understanding of the real definition. In truth, a chimera cat is a result of two embryos fusing together to form one cat long before birth; upon being conceived, the result is a normal cat but with two sets of DNA contained in their genetic code, so they are their own twin.
However, just because a cat is "dual pelted" doesn't mean they are chimera. Many breeds of cats exist that possess multi-colored pelts, such as tortoiseshell cats, but I'll get to them in a moment.
A cat doesn't have to be born with two different colored pelts, no matter who drastic or subtle, to be chimera either. There are many litters where each individual kitten is a physical carbon copy of their brothers and sisters, or very close to being so. As a result, a chimera cat might be born in the litter, but you might not be able to physically identify them as such.
The latter part of the sentence is where the trouble begins. Just because a cat is multi- or dual-pelted does not in any way mean they are chimera. While a chimera cat can have a sharply contrasting pelt, it isn't a reliable method of identifying if they are indeed chimera.
In other words, a cat who is dual pelted and is chimera happens to have both traits.
In the Warriors universe, genetics obviously isn't a concept for the cats; science in general would be a completely foreign concept to them. As such, the title of this thread is invalid. It also means that some oddly pelts cats in the series might be chimera, but this has simply never been addressed. There are however many cats in the series that have unusual or outright impossible fur combinations and even then no cat raises an eyebrow at them.
Let's plant my dual-pelted cat into the series. Either they would receive no reaction at all, or the Erins would completely misrepresent both dual-pelted cats and chimeras as a whole and make this cat like a second Sol or be used as a bad omen. It would also perpetuate the stereotype that all dual-pelted cats = chimera.
Correct?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 22, 2021 13:45:42 GMT -5
i just wanna say, i wish sol was a true chimera (not just a male tortie, but half black, half ginger, with spotting)
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Post by Fallenflower on Jun 22, 2021 15:32:47 GMT -5
They'd probably think it looks cool. But other than that, nothing much else would happen.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 22, 2021 16:13:42 GMT -5
So given your knowledge of "dual pelted cats" (I'll be using that term from now on), would you say that a 50/50 split from head to tail would be possible? In my head obviously it would be quite impossible and too coincidental, but then again I had the same reaction when I encountered dual pelted cats on the web; I thought they were photoshopped for the longest time. So I'm up in arms here. I've actually never seen a "50% one color 50% another color cat split straight down the middle past the head down to the tail" irl to answer this tbh. I've only seen it in OCs and because of that I'm pretty skeptical on whether those sorts of chimeras actually exist in cats or not. But ofc, anyone can feel free to prove me wrong, it's certainly a rather unnatural-looking pelt design and I'd love to see it legit. I've only seen those sorts of chimeras in birds thus far.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 22, 2021 16:20:20 GMT -5
So given your knowledge of "dual pelted cats" (I'll be using that term from now on), would you say that a 50/50 split from head to tail would be possible? In my head obviously it would be quite impossible and too coincidental, but then again I had the same reaction when I encountered dual pelted cats on the web; I thought they were photoshopped for the longest time. So I'm up in arms here. I've actually never seen a "50% one color 50% another color cat split straight down the middle past the head" irl to answer this tbh. I've only seen it in OCs and because of that I'm pretty skeptical on whether those sorts of chimeras actually exist or not. But ofc, anyone can feel free to prove me wrong, it's certainly a rather unnatural-looking pelt design. I've only seen those sorts of chimeras in birds thus far. Since it can happen in cats with their faces and sometimes alongside their necks and shoulders, I'm not going to write it off completely. I'm sure there's plenty of strays cats that remain undocumented, not to mention that the majority of human history has gone unrecorded. For all we know, one in a billion cats could be born like this. (As another example, a little over 200 people in the world have violet eyes.) I'm just highly skeptical because even for two pelted cats it seems so outlandish and too coincidental and that if it even existed surely we would have an example by now. So I suppose we can write it off as: unrealistic. Impossible? Unknown, but most likely (as in 99.9% sure). But I wouldn't put it in the same category as plenty of OC's I've seen, like cats that are dark blue (almost black) that have white paws, tails, and that has brown hair-fur, for example.
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