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Post by downfalls on Jun 22, 2021 3:41:33 GMT -5
Who are the worst leaders possible?
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Jun 22, 2021 6:33:55 GMT -5
Oakstar - Banishing kits Leopardstar - Allowing the death of her deputy and halfclan clanmates Brokenstar - Breaking the code Mistystar - Exiling her medicine cat for no reason at all Onestar - Choosing to let a clan die over some herbs. Starting a battle with thunderclan for no reason. Not helping the clans defeat the kin in the first few books.
Those are my least favorite so far
( I would add bramblestar, but I only really don't like him because I find him to be boring. So I'd have nothing against him being a bad leader)
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Post by Snowfire on Jun 22, 2021 8:27:57 GMT -5
Stoneteller (TNP)- He was a massive jerk, he exiled a group of his cats after they failed their attempt to kill Sharptooth, risking their lives. He exiled Stormfur just because of his Clan ways and Brook. He was also choosing to see the tribe die off just because of the help they were getting from the Clans. He was very ungrateful and probably one of the very worst leaders.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 22, 2021 13:40:56 GMT -5
onestar, rowanstar, leopardstar, brokenstar came to mind right away.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 22, 2021 14:06:24 GMT -5
Tigerstar 2 is awful, Onestar and Leopardstar are pretty cowardly, Oakstar banished kits, Brokenstar is Brokenstar and Raggedstar was just honestly an idiot.
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Post by Fallenflower on Jun 22, 2021 15:30:42 GMT -5
Rowanstar/claw was awful at keeping his clan together.
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Post by cygna on Jun 22, 2021 15:36:47 GMT -5
To many to count but my least favorites would be Brokenstar and Oakstar due to their apathy towards kits.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 22, 2021 17:11:58 GMT -5
Stoneteller. At the end he did not care about his Tribe at all and I'm so glad he died.
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Post by moonberry on Jun 22, 2021 17:31:53 GMT -5
I think Brokenstar is the worst leader with no respect for the warrior code, kits, clans or pretty much anything. When ThunderClan brought him in and nurtured him even after he stole kits from their clan, he betrayed them and tried to kill them all with Tigerstar and the band of rouges. I’m glad that Yellowfang poisoned him. Tigerstar I think just was turned the wrong way because of his past. He shouldn’t of done those things anyways (I’m not going to say exactly what happened in case somebody that hasn’t read the books reads this), but he wouldn’t of done any of it if it didn’t happen.
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Post by Numquam on Jun 22, 2021 22:33:54 GMT -5
In terms of what they've actually done I guess Brokenstar and Tigerstar, considering they're actually horrible
Does Scourge count? He was pretty harsh and awful too
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 22, 2021 23:05:15 GMT -5
Some are just horrible cats, while others were just horrible for the job or weren’t right for the role.
Brokenstar, Tigerstar I, Onestar, Leopardstar, Raggedstar, and Stoneteller come to mind. As well as Mistystar recently and Bluestar at the end of her life. Rowanstar and Pinestar can fit as well just for simply eventually being unfit for the position.
I would mention Oakstar but we don’t know much about his extremely long leadership other than what we got in Mapleshade’s Vengeance and Pinestar’s Choice. He was a leader for a real long time but so little of it has been covered so far. I wouldn’t judge his leadership with little information. He could’ve easily learned his lesson after the Mapleshade incident and changed for the better.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 23, 2021 11:00:08 GMT -5
Those would be Skystar, Ripplestar, Oakstar, Raggedstar, Brokenstar, Leopardstar, Stoneteller (TNP-OotS), Onestar, Rowanstar and Tigerstar II for me.
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Post by akiko on Jun 23, 2021 11:23:07 GMT -5
Let's start from the top:
Skystar: I used to like him after the end of The First Battle. He genuinely got developed and showed remorse for his actions. This, however, was thrown out the window in Moth Flight's Vision, where his cruelty secondhandedly cost Micah his life. And he blinded Willow Tail so she could face Red Claw. Cruel. Stuff.
Redstar: Redstar was just a smug hypocritical SkyClan-hating cat who mocked Cloudstar whenever he saw him.
Oakstar: He tossed out a queen and her kits, putting them in danger during a storm. Hypocritical since the warrior code tells Clan cats to help all queens and kits in need and never neglect them. He treated cats poorly. And then he attacked the kittypets...some of which were also queens with kits. Even his own son didn't agree with his ways at times.
Darkstar: Did the same as Oakstar to Mapleshade, didn't even let her medicine cat check on her after she nearly drowned saving her kits and was in shock from everything. She was yet another hypocritical cat, as she hardly lifted a claw with Appledusk and acted like it was Mapleshade who did all the code breaking herself.
Raggedstar: His mistakes led to Brokenstar's leadership and he appointed Foxheart as a deputy to spite Yellowfang.
Brokenstar: Led kits to their deaths and stole kits. Was evil and drove WindClan out and also weakened his Clan by not allowing them to go out on hunting patrols to keep everyone fed.
Tigerstar: The first Tigerstar just liked killing everyone. Enough said. Becoming leader of ShadowClan wasn't enough and he put the forest in danger for all of his selfish desires.
Fury: The leader of BloodClan after Scourge just liked bloodshed. Scourge rose to be leader because he kept cats safe with his violent ways and he even admits he cares about them and he did what it took to help them survive. But Fury? She just liked to torment literally every cat.
Leopardstar: She often was selfish. Like, remember her obsession with not sharing fish with the Clans? Or even water?
Leafstar: I liked her better as Leafdapple. This is personal bias but I really don't like Leafstar and the only book I like her in would be Squirrelflight's Hope. She handles things in a rather whiny manner at times and acts like she's "all that" in some situations. She didn't handle Sol well at all.
Onestar: Onestar sucked. He disappointed Tallstar, who might as well have just let Mudclaw lead because Onestar did the same thing he feared Mudclaw would do. He sucked as a cat in general and hooked up with Smoke only to abandon her and their son, causing the near destruction of the forest. Instead of trying to talk to Darktail the two just kill each other. Onestar just demanded respect from everyone and didn't even listen to his own medicine cat and deputy sometimes.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 23, 2021 23:56:47 GMT -5
Cloudstar, Oakstar (I think MV and PC are enough to show what a terrible cat he was), Brokenstar (I mean...child soldiers), Tigerstar, Leopardstar (Selfish and egotistical), Onestar, and Mistystar.
I'm not going to include cats like Rowanstar (who were given a bad hand to make Tigerjesus look better) or Raggedstar (yeah. he was naive, but it was because Brokenstar was his son and sometimes parental love is blinding). I also give Pinestar a break like I give Goosefeather a break. Starclan ruined their lives
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jun 24, 2021 10:19:54 GMT -5
Skystar, Oakstar, Raggedstar, Brokenstar, Tigerstar I, Leopardstar, Stoneteller (TNP), Onestar, and Mistystar
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 24, 2021 16:52:35 GMT -5
Ripplestar, Raggedstar, Brokenstar, Leopardstar, Onestar, Stoneteller (TNP), Mistystar, and Ashfur.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Jun 26, 2021 6:50:32 GMT -5
Skystar, Brokenstar, Stoneteller (TNP)
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jun 26, 2021 7:36:19 GMT -5
Since no one's mentioned him yet, I'd add in Morningstar (CotC). He wanted to have peace in the Clans and was willing to let Rabbitstar steal prey even when ThunderClan was starving. His loyal deputy Leafstorm died partly due to this. Although I can respect Morningstar wanting to keep the peace, he took things too far by rolling over for Rabbitstar to trample over him and his poor Clan.
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Post by rabbit on Jun 26, 2021 19:14:45 GMT -5
Leafstar is one of the most mature and versatile leaders in the entire series.
Onestar was pretty pathetic and Brokenstar was just unsustainable. They are their own types of bad.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jul 6, 2021 3:33:57 GMT -5
Onestar and Stoneteller (TNP)
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