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Post by fire on Jun 18, 2021 22:17:30 GMT -5
I don't know about y'all, but when reading TPB and Firestar's Quest, I find myself getting annoyed/mad at Firestar being oblivious when it comes to his relationship with Spottedleaf and how it obviously negatively affects Sandstorm and his relationship with her. I know that Spottedleaf was being a creep and all and is the main problem of this whole drama issue, but I also think that dude was playing the 'oblivious MC' role too well for me.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jun 18, 2021 22:47:40 GMT -5
Tbh he never really moved on from Spottedleaf. It shows that in OOTS when she dies fir good.
Which imho is ridiculous, considering he barely knew her. Whereas he spent his entire life with his ACTUAL mate and had a family. It's literally the only thing that pisses me off about Firestar lol
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Post by cygna on Jun 18, 2021 23:02:45 GMT -5
This!!! Firestar get let off the hook for everything regarding this mess. Yes Spottedleaf is mainly at fault her but if I'm not mistaken Firestar is the mated cat here so why y'all blaming the other woman. I may not have loved Sandstorm but she really did not deserve this.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 18, 2021 23:27:35 GMT -5
Honestly, this situation was just another reason why it made it hard for me to find any appeal in either SpottedFire or SandFire back in the day. It was just a mess...and added with the fact later that Spottedleaf was killed off so Firestar didn't have to choose between her and Sandstorm just makes me turn up a brow a these relationships even more. I just don't see what people see them tbh.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 19, 2021 1:06:06 GMT -5
Honestly, this situation was just another reason why it made it hard for me to find any appeal in either SpottedFire or SandFire back in the day. It was just a mess...and added with the fact later that Spottedleaf was killed off so Firestar didn't have to choose between her and Sandstorm just makes me turn up a brow a these relationships even more. I just don't see what people see them tbh. No offense, but Irdk why you keep saying this when countless others have proven that this was not at all the primary reason she was killed off and the real reasoning was completely unrelated to the whole "choosing" thing entirely, especially considering Kate's word is very hit-or-miss. It's actually getting frustrating to see this misconception every time the topic of Spottedleaf's whole.... thing comes up..
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 19, 2021 3:17:58 GMT -5
Honestly, this situation was just another reason why it made it hard for me to find any appeal in either SpottedFire or SandFire back in the day. It was just a mess...and added with the fact later that Spottedleaf was killed off so Firestar didn't have to choose between her and Sandstorm just makes me turn up a brow a these relationships even more. I just don't see what people see them tbh. No offense, but Irdk why you keep saying this when countless others have proven that this was not at all the primary reason she was killed off and the real reasoning was completely unrelated to the whole "choosing" thing entirely, especially considering Kate's word is very hit-or-miss. It's actually getting frustrating to see this misconception every time the topic of Spottedleaf's whole.... thing comes up.. No offense, but I'm simply going by what one of the Erins stated about the situation. It's not really a misconception if the "word of god" is stating it themselves. People can perceive and take it how they please. Never said that it was the main/only reason why she was killed off, I simply brought it up in general point that attributed to one of the reasons the Sand/Fire/Spotted situation just never sat well with me. Regardless, at the end of the day, Kate is the one that killed off Spottedleaf, and that was her reasoning, even if the other Erins had different reasons. Kate said that she killed off Spottedleaf so Firestar didn't have to choose between her and Sandstorm, AND later added that it was her destiny to die saving Sandstorm as well. Doesn't mean she retracted her previous statement, just means she made an additional point to it. Also nothing the other Erins said contradicts it either as far as I've seen.
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Post by akiko on Jun 19, 2021 14:53:14 GMT -5
Maybe if the two of them had been written as a couple who actually interacted with each other, I'd have an easier time shipping them (SpottedXFire). I made an AU map even about how I wish it had played out, which was basically about if the two of them had actually bonded in book one as friends and gained attraction through that.
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Post by silentbreeze on Jun 19, 2021 15:40:12 GMT -5
I think Firestar being extremely dense to romantic perceptions has always been one of his character flaws, but I see what you mean. With his relationship with Spottedleaf having so little to build off of, it's possible Firestar's feelings stem from the guilt of not being able to save Spottedleaf from being murdered as opposed to a genuine place of love, and her developed obsession with him enables those feelings further down the line. Spottedleaf really should've let go of Firestar once she gave him that life for love. Her declarations of her love for him in future books makes her come off as this persistent creep that can't move on, and her constantly walking in his descendants' dreams doesn't really hinder that argument.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 19, 2021 16:15:03 GMT -5
It was just very obvious that Firestar was written to never really be over Spottedleaf even after she died a second time as the prologue of Bramblestar's Storm seems to prove. Which is rather annoying to read about and also unfair to Sandstorm and her own relationship with Firestar. I still wish that the authors/editors (mostly Vicky Holmes) had never created this love triangle or at least handled it much more differently but it's a bit late for any turnback in the canon material now.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 19, 2021 17:19:07 GMT -5
Yeah, for all that I like about Firestar that thing with Spottedleaf is really annoying.
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Post by akiko on Jun 19, 2021 17:46:25 GMT -5
Firestar is veryyy oblivious to these types of things. Very. Lol. Remember when Cinderpelt and Sandstorm had a tense moment and he was confused? Ah, those were the days...
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Jun 20, 2021 8:21:53 GMT -5
I get the oblivious MC trope but... like,, Sandstorm is his wife. He should know that hanging onto a cat she knows he had feelings for would affect her!
I mean, I guess some brownie points to Firestar for approaching Spottedleaf and saying "hey time to set healthy boundaries I have a wife and family in the real world you can't be my ghost waifu anymore" from Spottedleaf's Honest Answer.
and tbf on Vicky, she did mention how she thinks people should've been harsher on Spottedleaf for crossing these boundaries/continuing to try to sort-of pursue Firestar even when he has his own life going on.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 20, 2021 10:36:27 GMT -5
Firestar is a mouse-brain a lot of the time. But... at least their drama is "drama done right" and not the hot soup that Bramblestar and Squirrelflight were. With that being said, I would honestly have cheered Sandstorm on if she stopped being mates with him. Sorry, but the whole thing between Firestar and Spottedleaf is weird. I recall one moment in "Firestar's Quest" where Firestar admits that Sandstorm is his true love, but then he gazes at Spottedleaf as she turns to leave and he silently wishes that things would have been different. It was only a fleeting thought, he's allowed that, but really? I acknowledge that poly relationships exist and I fully support them, and I also acknowledge that someone can love more than one person at a given time, but the way the Erins handled this didn't fit right with me, idk.
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Jun 20, 2021 11:03:54 GMT -5
Sorry, but the whole thing between Firestar and Spottedleaf is weird. I recall one moment in "Firestar's Quest" where Firestar admits that Sandstorm is his true love, but then he gazes at Spottedleaf as she turns to leave and he silently wishes that things would have been different. It was only a fleeting thought, he's allowed that, but really? Just wanna clarify, that wasn't Firestar's thought. That was Spottedleaf leaning into his ears to softly share a careless whisper, and then looking back at him with yearning.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 20, 2021 11:06:39 GMT -5
Thanks, I knew it was a fever dream. My bad. So my post in summary shall be: The Spottedleaf drama was not needed in the slightest imo. Yes, a person (or cat) can love more than one individual at the same time. But boy was Firestar naïve about how this would affect his mate.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jun 20, 2021 11:41:49 GMT -5
oh no not this again
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Post by akiko on Jun 20, 2021 16:42:55 GMT -5
Poor Sandstorm. Firestar was way too oblivious to how she felt about the whole thing.
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