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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 18, 2021 22:07:31 GMT -5
So, with almost every forbidden relationship, there's almost always one character who tries to stop it (Fireheart with GrayxSilver, Cinderpelt, with CrowxLeaf, Ivypool with DovexTiger, etc...), but do you think these cats were right to get involved or would you say it depends?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 18, 2021 22:23:08 GMT -5
i say yes for all (yes, even for leaf x crow. im not afraid to acknowledge its flaws).
in my mind, i think graystripe's relationship with silverstream ruined his life. he spent most of his early warrior months being disloyal. he doesnt train his apprentice (and never trains another one his entire life). he never earned his spot as deputy. and when he comes back with millie, we hardly see him be a dad to his new kits. i dont care how great his SE made him seem, i dont like him. fireheart was 100% right in being worried. graystripe turned into a horrible warrior because of silverstream.
cinderpelt also had a right to stop leafpool. leafpool is a medicine cat, and to medicine cats, being completely focused on your duties means everything to them. it was even worse because us as the audience knew cinderpelt was doing this because she was going to die soon, and she needed to make sure leafpool was there to take her place. leaving thunderclan medicine catless would have been disasterous.
and the ivypool one. do i even need to explain? dove x tiger sucked major donkey in OotS, parts of AVoS, and Tigerheart's SE. dovewing is a traitor who didnt even try to find happiness in her own home.
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Post by Aqua on Jun 18, 2021 22:23:44 GMT -5
Fireheart and Ivypool should have stayed out of it. Fireheart getting involved created problems and trust issues between GrayxSilver, whereas Ivypool getting involved with DovexTiger created a strained relationship between the sisters, and ended up losing each other because of it. Fireheart and Ivypool should have left Graystripe and Dovewing to make their own choices instead of getting involved and trying to separate GrayxSilver or TigerxDove. Getting involved created more harm than good, with Fire and Gray ALMOST destroying the friendship because of Silverstream, and Dovewing's and Ivypool's own relationship actually destroyed because Dovewing left because nobody understood each other. Ivypool and Fireheart both should have left Dovewing and Graystripe to face their own consequences. Gray and Dove were old enough to make their own choices and knew they were disloyal to their clan. Getting involved into these relationships caused a lot of damage, with one cat expecting too much out of the other.
Cinderpelt was really the only one who had the right to get involved. Leafpool had more responsibilities as a medicine cat, and she was still an apprentice. Cinderpelt was fair, gentle yet firm, and honest with Leafpool that she shouldn't see Crowfeather. Even as Leafpool left, Cinderpelt still forgave her, and understood that Leafpool wasn't happy in ThunderClan. Cinderpelt was actually respectful and understanding about LeafxCrow, yet reminded her about her responsibilities. I wasn't bothered by what she did, because I felt Cinderpelt was fair to Leafpool but blunt at the same time. She didn't scream at her, she didn't distrust her loyalty, just had faith in Leafpool and was honest with her and only got mad when Leafpool disrespected her. Fireheart kept digging a hole for himself and covered up Gray a lot, which Gray wasn't grateful for that pissed off Fire, and Ivy kept getting into dangers because of DovexTiger and held unhealthy grudges against them and ended up dragging Twig involved because she was angry at them. In the end, the way how Fire and Ivy handled it were both unhealthy. Cinder handled it the best, and she was the most understanding out of all of them. I like how she didn't pressure Leaf to do shit, she just told Leaf she was wrong. Cinderpelt really is one of the series' best characters, and a great example of maturity imo.
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Post by cygna on Jun 18, 2021 22:55:58 GMT -5
I'm inclined to support the cats who got involved actually. Graystripe may have not cared but what he was doing was dangerous. You don't let the people you love put themselves in bad situations. If your friend is making a terrible mistake that may be life altering in a bad way do you just let it happen? Same with Ivypool she was right to intervene. Dovewing is her sister for StarClan's sake!!! People undoubtedly get involved of the lives of their loved ones. In warriors mentor's can be like another parental figure to a cat, Cinderpelt was to Leafpool for sure. Cinderpelt had the right to be worried for Leafpool.
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Post by downfalls on Jun 18, 2021 23:52:01 GMT -5
Yes to all.
Greystripe should have listened to Fireheart. When Silverstream was with him he never trained Brackenpaw, and he also never was there for Millie's kits. When someone is telling you not to do something that could completely ruin your future, do you just continue? Or do you listen to them? Greystripe chose to get all snappy and popped off at Fireheart, when Fireheart was in the right.
Cinderpelt especially needed to stop Leafpool, because what are med cats supposed to be focused on? Medicine, helping the clan and clearing up wounds. Having a mate or kits takes all that focus away, that's why the med code exists. Like I said in my last paragraph, don't continue doing something if someone is telling you not to do it. Cinder should have been a bit more firm, but that's just my opinion.
Ivypool had the right to say something. Tigerheartstar is a terrible character and leader and choosing mate over clan is disloyal too. Dovewing, of course, didn't listen and left Thunderclan. She should have listened to Ivy.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jun 19, 2021 5:16:45 GMT -5
Yes to all. Cats are undoubtedly going to get involved in their close ones' affairs in order to try to prevent them from making the wrong choices.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jun 19, 2021 6:41:29 GMT -5
Fireheart yes. I sympathized with him more than Graystripe; Graystripe had Brackenpaw as an apprentice and was a very young warrior. He shouldn't have gone off like that. ThunderClan was experiencing hard times, and Graystripe knew about Fireheart's valid suspicions of Tigerclaw.
Cinderpelt was right to stop Leafpool, too. If I had to say she had the most right to interfere than any of the cats listed here. Leafpool was a medicine cat and her apprentice.
Ivypool, I guess, but I didn't sympathize with her as much because of the rash way she handled it.
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Post by akiko on Jun 19, 2021 16:06:42 GMT -5
Yeah because they're likely scared of what'll happen if a leader catches them or something. Don't forget, they were also raised and trained not to have relationships that break the warrior code and it is an important part of their culture and Clan life in general. They could also feel hurt that their friend/sibling/Clanmate would seek relationships with outsiders when they're there for them as well, especially in the case of Ivypool. And scared that their Clanmate will leave like Dovewing and Finleap did, as well as like Leafpool nearly did...and I guess Graystripe too.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 19, 2021 16:23:23 GMT -5
If something that is considered a crime, considered rightfully or not, by any society keeps on happening than someone being concerned for what will happen to the ones committing it, is very understandable, at least in my opinion.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 19, 2021 17:15:38 GMT -5
Yes. All three cats who got involved did so with good intentions- to stop their loved ones from making bad and hasty decisions. I think that Fireheart, Cinderpelt, and Ivypool were more than justified into getting involved.
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