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#07B04C
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 16, 2021 8:43:41 GMT -5
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 16, 2021 18:24:40 GMT -5
So is this confirmation that Mudclaw did straight up get smote by Starclan and it wasn't just an accident?
Imagine being such a mess that you're the only cat that Starclan calls a lightning bolt down on.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 16, 2021 20:59:07 GMT -5
So is this confirmation that Mudclaw did straight up get smote by Starclan and it wasn't just an accident? Imagine being such a mess that you're the only cat that Starclan calls a lightning bolt down on. Well considering there's plenty of characters killed by StarClan in general, it doesn't mean much, and there is also another leader killed by lightning, who was Ripplestar. StarClan has caused plenty of deaths in the series, but it doesn't mean they're right or wrong, they're just punishments they choose to dish out as they see fit.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 16, 2021 21:01:02 GMT -5
At least we did get a confirmation that Mudclaw really was doing things with pure intentions, even though his actions were wrong. Interesting.
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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Jun 16, 2021 21:23:57 GMT -5
It's a cool time in the history of WindClan.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 16, 2021 21:40:46 GMT -5
So is this confirmation that Mudclaw did straight up get smote by Starclan and it wasn't just an accident? Imagine being such a mess that you're the only cat that Starclan calls a lightning bolt down on. Well considering there's plenty of characters killed by StarClan in general, it doesn't mean much, and there is also another leader killed by lightning, who was Ripplestar. StarClan has caused plenty of deaths in the series, but it doesn't mean they're right or wrong, they're just punishments they choose to dish out as they see fit. Who else besides Ripplestar has been killed by Starclan?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 16, 2021 22:15:33 GMT -5
Well considering there's plenty of characters killed by StarClan in general, it doesn't mean much, and there is also another leader killed by lightning, who was Ripplestar. StarClan has caused plenty of deaths in the series, but it doesn't mean they're right or wrong, they're just punishments they choose to dish out as they see fit. Who else besides Ripplestar has been killed by Starclan? Hmm, my apologies, I probably didn't word this the best way, but when I mean "plenty" I'm mean it as a more general way, as in plenty of situations where StarClan has stepped in to dish out punishments on cats, and cause deaths. StarClan's influence is contracted plenty of times in the series, and it's implied they have the power of life and death. Yellowfang even states that her punishment from StarClan was that her two kits died and the one surviving one was Brokenstar, who was destined to be evil. Indirectly, StarClan pretty much is the cause behind the deaths Brokenstar caused later on. StarClan has also brought cats back from the dead as well, Tigerheart, and reincarnated cats into new bodies, Cinderpelt. While Ripplestar and Mudclaw are two examples of them controlling nature to kill cats, via lightning. There's also situations where StarClan pretty much sends out ice missions, considering Goosefeather tells Pinestar to kill his own son, because StarClan ordered it. All of Pinestar's kits were supposed to die, but when Tigerstar didn't, StarClan pretty much asked living cats to do it for them. My point is that, StarClan isn't really above trying to ice characters, getting others to do it, or punishing characters for breaking the code with even more dangerous destinies, etc.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 16, 2021 23:08:33 GMT -5
Who else besides Ripplestar has been killed by Starclan? Hmm, my apologies, I probably didn't word this the best way, but when I mean "plenty" I'm mean it as a more general way, as in plenty of situations where StarClan has stepped in to dish out punishments on cats, and cause deaths. StarClan's influence is contracted plenty of times in the series, and it's implied they have the power of life and death. Yellowfang even states that her punishment from StarClan was that her two kits died and the one surviving one was Brokenstar, who was destined to be evil. Indirectly, StarClan pretty much is the cause behind the deaths Brokenstar caused later on. StarClan has also brought cats back from the dead as well, Tigerheart, and reincarnated cats into new bodies, Cinderpelt. While Ripplestar and Mudclaw are two examples of them controlling nature to kill cats, via lightning. There's also situations where StarClan pretty much sends out ice missions, considering Goosefeather tells Pinestar to kill his own son, because StarClan ordered it. All of Pinestar's kits were supposed to die, but when Tigerstar didn't, StarClan pretty much asked living cats to do it for them. My point is that, StarClan isn't really above trying to ice characters, getting others to do it, or punishing characters for breaking the code with even more dangerous destinies, etc. Brokenstar was born cursed, but that was a curse from Skyclan. I don't think Yellowfang is a reliable narrator when she says it's punishment for her, since we know from the Starclan scenes who it was really meant for. As far as bringing cats back from the dead, well you can see that every time a leader returns. Telling Goosefeather to kill someone is the closest to killing I'd say, but even then it's nothing like straight up calling down a lightning bolt on someone's head in terms of severity.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 16, 2021 23:50:40 GMT -5
Hmm, my apologies, I probably didn't word this the best way, but when I mean "plenty" I'm mean it as a more general way, as in plenty of situations where StarClan has stepped in to dish out punishments on cats, and cause deaths. StarClan's influence is contracted plenty of times in the series, and it's implied they have the power of life and death. Yellowfang even states that her punishment from StarClan was that her two kits died and the one surviving one was Brokenstar, who was destined to be evil. Indirectly, StarClan pretty much is the cause behind the deaths Brokenstar caused later on. StarClan has also brought cats back from the dead as well, Tigerheart, and reincarnated cats into new bodies, Cinderpelt. While Ripplestar and Mudclaw are two examples of them controlling nature to kill cats, via lightning. There's also situations where StarClan pretty much sends out ice missions, considering Goosefeather tells Pinestar to kill his own son, because StarClan ordered it. All of Pinestar's kits were supposed to die, but when Tigerstar didn't, StarClan pretty much asked living cats to do it for them. My point is that, StarClan isn't really above trying to ice characters, getting others to do it, or punishing characters for breaking the code with even more dangerous destinies, etc. Brokenstar was born cursed, but that was a curse from Skyclan. I don't think Yellowfang is a reliable narrator when she says it's punishment for her, since we know from the Starclan scenes who it was really meant for. As far as bringing cats back from the dead, well you can see that every time a leader returns. Telling Goosefeather to kill someone is the closest to killing I'd say, but even then it's nothing like straight up calling down a lightning bolt on someone's head in terms of severity. I suppose you're right, but in that sense StarClan in general aren't very reliable narrators though. They're not above wanting to ice living cats, interfering with situations, and influencing when they shouldn't. We've seen that they're able to be just as divided as living cats in OotS, along with holding grudges, having bias, and other issues. I guess what I'm saying is that even though they did choose to strike the lightning, we don't know if that was a collective choice or an individual one in StarClan. And it's not much of a "divine" punishment either, because if StarClan had that much power to kill "wrongful" cats...why didn't they do the same in other situations? Instead of leaving the living cats to stew in suffering, and leading to more deaths? It's quite strange imo. StarClan, as far as I'm concerned, are not that much different than living cats, the only difference is that they see what is truth and what is a lie, but they are still capable of lying themselves or putting their trust in the wrong types of cats. Especially if TBC is anything to go by.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 17, 2021 12:25:47 GMT -5
Brokenstar was born cursed, but that was a curse from Skyclan. I don't think Yellowfang is a reliable narrator when she says it's punishment for her, since we know from the Starclan scenes who it was really meant for. To add onto this part here, cats tend to blame StarClan whenever something bad happens all the time, that doesn't necessarily mean StarClan is actually responsible, similar to how people will sometimes blame this or that higher power for their own misfortunes. Brokenstar was obviously a curse, but I doubt StarClan killing Hopekit and Wishkit was meant to be taken literally and was more just a grieving and frustrated mother looking for anyone to blame. Sometimes things just happen.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jul 6, 2021 7:59:21 GMT -5
Imagine being killed by God-
This proves that Mudclaw is a good character who did a bad thing with the right intentions
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