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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 15, 2021 22:22:18 GMT -5
Who should've succeeded Firestar in leadership?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 22:36:59 GMT -5
Longtail
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Post by Rainsplash on Jun 15, 2021 22:51:19 GMT -5
I think Whitestorm was too old, and Graystripe and Brambleclaw aren't exactly my picks. I would've liked Brackenfur as deputy. So Graystripe
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 15, 2021 22:55:42 GMT -5
in many of my AU's i have dustpelt as the deputy over graystripe
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 15, 2021 23:00:02 GMT -5
Anyone qualified who is younger than Firestar and NOT Bramblestar.
Brackenstar would’ve been great.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 16, 2021 0:41:09 GMT -5
I love Whitestorm, but he was a good bit older than Firestar, so it wouldn't have worked
I like the idea of Graystar (I REALLY like Graystripe's characterization in GV) or Longstar. Or like...anyone but Bramblestar?
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Post by Showers on Jun 16, 2021 0:52:22 GMT -5
hollyleaf with squirrelflight as her first deputy.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jun 16, 2021 5:40:32 GMT -5
Ideally I would still choose Bramblestar. I'm not particularly happy about how he turned out as a leader, but I think he made a good deputy. I would still choose him to be leader.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 16, 2021 7:12:09 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, Graystripe was actually a pretty competent deputy during his time in the position. He also showed very strong leadership skills in his Super Edition, and is an ideal choice to lead Thunderclan at this very moment while the clan’s leadership is in chaos. He took charge easily and without much complaint from any of the clan. I think people do genuinely underestimate how capable of a deputy/leader Graystripe was in the book’s canon.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 16, 2021 7:32:33 GMT -5
Graystripe is underrated. The guy has done a fine job in leader like positions when put to the test. The fact that he disappeared really isn't his fault.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 16, 2021 9:06:55 GMT -5
I think Whitestorm was too old, and Graystripe and Brambleclaw aren't exactly my picks. I would've liked Brackenfur as deputy.So Graystripe Funny thing is Whitestorm wasn't even that old. He WAS meant to be when TPB initially came out because back then elders was retiring at ages 7-8 and it was pushed that he had age to him, but after the age retcon in BP and considering what qualifies as deputy age now he was moreso prime deputy age than anything. (Isn't he like... 5 years? That's certainly deputy age, had they kept him to actually be genuinely old however I'd agree that he'd be too old)
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jun 16, 2021 9:16:25 GMT -5
Whitestorm would have been great, but i would choose someone younger like Graystripe. He showed strong leadership qualities in his SE. Anyone but Bramblestar.
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
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Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 16, 2021 13:28:06 GMT -5
While I still think that Bramblestar was a great deputy and he just got ruined by the authors/editors into being a mediocre leader at best, I'm choosing Whitestorm because he wasn't actually that old by modern day Clan standards (just look at Mistystar) and he also did an excellent job as Firestar's advisor/second in command. Graystripe was fine but he didn't even really want to be leader, he's simply stepping up again in TBC for the good of ThunderClan.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 16, 2021 17:34:05 GMT -5
Graystripe. He was actually a pretty good leader.
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Post by downfalls on Jun 16, 2021 20:56:58 GMT -5
Whitestorm. He would've made a good leader.
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Post by Lionstrike on Jun 17, 2021 11:28:32 GMT -5
I love Whitestorm. He is so wise, and much more experienced than Graystripe. He would have made an awesome leader, I feel no one can deny that, but there is just one problem: HE IS TOO OLD. We don't want any Nightstar problems all over again! So I have to go for Graystripe, not just because he is an great cat, but also due to the fact that he is younger, and much more likely to make an impact as a strong leader for Thunderclan. Brambleclaw is also just a wee bit inexperienced. He was being influenced by Tigerstar and Hawkfrost, and even though he chose not to follow in their treacherous footsteps, he still is just a little jump-to-conclusions-and-start-a-battle type leader than the others. Don't get me wrong, he is strong, brave, and the most loyal cat you will read about.
All the cats are really deserving and worthy qualifiers for leadership.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 17, 2021 11:33:47 GMT -5
I love Whitestorm. He is so wise, and much more experienced than Graystripe. He would have made an awesome leader, I feel no one can deny that, but there is just one problem: HE IS TOO OLD. We don't want any Nightstar problems all over again! The problem with Nightstar wasn't that he was too old, it was that he didn't receive his nine lives because Brokenstar was still alive. In fact, Nightstar literally retired young because of his chronic illness. It had nothing to do with his age.
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Post by Lionstrike on Jun 17, 2021 11:37:51 GMT -5
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Post by Lionstrike on Jun 17, 2021 11:39:37 GMT -5
I love Whitestorm. He is so wise, and much more experienced than Graystripe. He would have made an awesome leader, I feel no one can deny that, but there is just one problem: HE IS TOO OLD. We don't want any Nightstar problems all over again! The problem with Nightstar wasn't that he was too old, it was that he didn't receive his nine lives because Brokenstar was still alive. In fact, Nightstar literally retired young because of his chronic illness. It had nothing to do with his age. I agree with your statement, but he still was getting weak, and was not showing a very strong position of leadership for his clan. You are absolutely right about his sickness, and I agree with what you said, but I was analogizing the fact that they were both growing a bit frailer.
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Jun 17, 2021 11:44:42 GMT -5
These are the cats that were able to become deputy when Firestar first became leader in The Darkest Hour:
Mousefur Brackenfur Graystripe Darkstripe Dustpelt
These are the cats who were able to become deputy following Graystripe's capture at the hand of twolegs in Dawn:
Mousefur Dustpelt Sandstorm Brackenfur Thornclaw Cloudtail
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 17, 2021 16:25:31 GMT -5
I think Whitestorm was too old, and Graystripe and Brambleclaw aren't exactly my picks. I would've liked Brackenfur as deputy.So Graystripe Funny thing is Whitestorm wasn't even that old. He WAS meant to be when TPB initially came out because back then elders was retiring at ages 7-8 and it was pushed that he had age to him, but after the age retcon in BP and considering what qualifies as deputy age now he was moreso prime deputy age than anything. (Isn't he like... 5 years? That's certainly deputy age, had they kept him to actually be genuinely old however I'd agree that he'd be too old) But by the time Firestar dies in TLH, he would have DEFINITELY been too old to become leader. We all hate how old Mistystar is and she's a bit younger than Whitestorm
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 17, 2021 17:16:13 GMT -5
Funny thing is Whitestorm wasn't even that old. He WAS meant to be when TPB initially came out because back then elders was retiring at ages 7-8 and it was pushed that he had age to him, but after the age retcon in BP and considering what qualifies as deputy age now he was moreso prime deputy age than anything. (Isn't he like... 5 years? That's certainly deputy age, had they kept him to actually be genuinely old however I'd agree that he'd be too old) But by the time Firestar dies in TLH, he would have DEFINITELY been too old to become leader. We all hate how old Mistystar is and she's a bit younger than Whitestorm Oh definitely. Honestly I just wish Whitestorm had been deputy for longer than a book, or idk longer than half a book. I'd be fine with that and maybe him dying sometime in the future even before Fire died. I just wanted more of Whitestorm as deputy man. ;.;
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Post by Fallenflower on Jun 17, 2021 17:42:39 GMT -5
Whitestorm as a leader would be cool to see. I'm thinking he'd be a kind, wise leader that everyone in Thunderclan would look up to. Brambleclaw acted like a Firestar wannabe rather than Bramblestar, and Graystripe didn't even care for the deputy role. Not to mention that Graystripe barely even trained his own apprentice.
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Post by fire on Jun 17, 2021 17:48:32 GMT -5
Graystripe. Only reason is because Whitestorm would be far too old after the amount of time it would take Firestar to die 9 times.
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Post by Fireleap on Jun 17, 2021 18:02:06 GMT -5
I really like Graystripe as deputy.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Jun 17, 2021 19:25:46 GMT -5
As much as I would have loved Whitestar, he was too old - he had been described as elderly from the beginning of TPB, there's no way he would've survived until The Last Hope, let alone been able to live nine lives after that. By the time Firestar died, he, Sandstorm, Graystripe, etc. were all pretty old, so I don't think Graystar would've worked that well either. I think of all the possibilities, Brackenfur might have been the best choice. He was calm and level-headed. I don't necessarily hate Bramblestar, but I don't think he should've been made leader. If I'm being honest though there weren't a lot of great choices to become leader after Firestar.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 17, 2021 20:51:28 GMT -5
As much as I would have loved Whitestar, he was too old - he had been described as elderly from the beginning of TPB, there's no way he would've survived until The Last Hope, let alone been able to live nine lives after that. By the time Firestar died, he, Sandstorm, Graystripe, etc. were all pretty old, so I don't think Graystar would've worked that well either. I think of all the possibilities, Brackenfur might have been the best choice. He was calm and level-headed. I don't necessarily hate Bramblestar, but I don't think he should've been made leader. If I'm being honest though there weren't a lot of great choices to become leader after Firestar. Oddly enough, I think Whitestorm is only about a year at most older than Mistystar. He wasn't really elderly in the original books. Though that might also just emphasize how old Mistystar really is. Edit: Just looked it up. Bluestar gave birth to them when Spottedleaf was still a paw, and Whitestorm is only a few moons older than her.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jul 6, 2021 7:39:10 GMT -5
Whitestorm, Brackenfur, or Longtail.
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