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Post by cygna on Jun 9, 2021 11:57:53 GMT -5
Can cats like Bumblestripe, Finleap, & Thornclaw be redeemed into a somewhat likable character?
If you think so how would you “fix” them despite the turn for the worse their characters have already taken?
btw you can also talk about other cats I didn’t mention that you feel have been ruined and how you would fix them.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 9, 2021 12:25:48 GMT -5
They already have been in my eyes. In terms of Bumblestripe, I still like him alot and honestly so much of his “ruining” was Dovewing being an awful cat and genuinely stringing him along. He still never once was told what he did wrong, which is really crappy of Dovewing, but can I be surprised considering how bad she is in general? Guess not. Him asking for kits at a bad moment was wrong but he never asked after that and let it drop and even was supportive of Dovewing being garbage and flaunting off her Shadowclan kits to the same clan she abandoned.
Finleap took alot more time for me, but if the relationship is mended and Twigbranch forgives and is happy with him, then eh, sure, why not.
Thornclaw was never ruined tbh. He’s just a stern senior Warrior who does actually have a point about the nepotism in the clan. So he was never ruined for me. Not every cat is a loving, compassionate Firestar-esque character, ya know?
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 9, 2021 12:37:57 GMT -5
These characters aren't ruined, they're saved. They're saved from the slog of mediocrity that most background characters are so that I can actually remember their names and actions, unlike Rosepetal or Hollytuft or what have you. It is always better to be memorable than boring, so as far as I'm concerned, there's no need to fix them.
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Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 9, 2021 14:44:38 GMT -5
Bramblestar sadly cannot be fixed. My favorite control freak would need a reboot at this point.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 9, 2021 14:50:08 GMT -5
bumble and fin were ruined to boost other characters. it's easy to "fix" them once the reason for their ruining is over and dealt with. like fin. he's fine now that his drama with twigbranch is over. bumble hasn't acted out like ashfur did after dovewing moved to shadowclan and had her kits (who r now adults. tons of time has passed and bumblestripe is still fine).
bumble was ruined to boost tigerheart. so he was ruined for love triangle purposes. writers do that all the time for the secondary love interest in a triangle. but then...why tf was finleap ruined? twigbranch had no secondary love interest. why bother ruining finleap after all he sacrificed to be with twigbranch and establish himself? it's more useless than what happened to bumblestripe. im sad for poor finleap. he didnt have a reason to be ruined. twigbranch didn't need this drama. they ruined finleap for no reason, so his ruination is worse than bumblestripe's, if u ask me.
and thornclaw is just a generic "aggressive tom warrior." u hardly ever see this archetype for a she-cat, so whatever. thornclaw exists to make the clan look like they're not a hive mind.
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Fernflower
I forgot how amazing Firestar is
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Post by Fernflower on Jun 9, 2021 19:49:19 GMT -5
I think Thistleclaw is one of the most ruined cats out there--to the point where people don't even accept his most recent appearance as canon. It makes me sad how they changed him like that...and I never liked him in the first place. What a disservice. But I do agree with vectoring34 that the changes that Bumble, Fin, etc. experienced can be good, considering it actually gives them character. I think I prefer that over them being the generic clanmate who always agrees with the majority and never steps out of line.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 9, 2021 20:28:29 GMT -5
I think Thistleclaw is one of the most ruined cats out there--to the point where people don't even accept his most recent appearance as canon. It makes me sad how they changed him like that...and I never liked him in the first place. What a disservice. But I do agree with vectoring34 that the changes that Bumble, Fin, etc. experienced can be good, considering it actually gives them character. I think I prefer that over them being the generic clanmate who always agrees with the majority and never steps out of line. HC should just say that book isn't canon. It's out of character for both Spottedleaf (who I hate) AND Thistleclaw (who I like). Spottedleaf always wanted to be a medicine cat. She didn't need that book. And they could have kept to the idea of Thistleclaw just spiraling downwards after Snowfur's death instead of making him a predator.
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