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Post by Rainsplash on Jun 8, 2021 19:20:05 GMT -5
How do you feel about Bumblestripe?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 8, 2021 19:21:24 GMT -5
i like him and i'll defend him to death.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 8, 2021 19:32:50 GMT -5
I like him. He gets way too much hate from fandom tbh.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 8, 2021 19:44:56 GMT -5
Another victim of Tigerjesus love
I don't mind him AND I think his name is cute
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 8, 2021 19:48:17 GMT -5
Mixed feelings. I liked him in OOTS but didn’t like him during AVOS. I also didn’t like how he was one of the imposter’s biggest followers.
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Post by Aqua on Jun 8, 2021 20:04:54 GMT -5
I don't like him. Just because Dovewing used him and his feelings doesn't mean it's okay for him to be inappropriate and ask for kits, two years after they've broken up, mind you. Dovewing was bad to him, she shouldn't have used him and communicated better with him, yes -- but Bumblestripe isn't innocent either. He has always critized her, asked for kits years after they broke up, and the fact that he's still not over her even after she broke up with him and still asks for kits is just... weird. I can't understand anyone who defends this gross behavior tbh. Dovewing's actions doesn't make him innocent. She is allowed to say no, and HAS said no to him before. Saying "I will not have kits for Darktail" makes that pretty clear itself. Bumblestripe should have respected that. He's disgusting. I'm sorry Bumblestripe was used, and I'm sorry Dovewing abandoned him, but her actions doesn't make him any nicer.
I'm not excusing Dovewing's actions herself, but her being mean to him doesn't make Bumblestripe innocent.
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Post by Rainfire on Jun 8, 2021 21:29:21 GMT -5
Ew. Hate him.
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Post by cygna on Jun 8, 2021 22:16:06 GMT -5
I want to cradle him in my arms and protect him from the cruelty of the Erins and Dovewing.
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Post by cygna on Jun 8, 2021 22:23:33 GMT -5
I don't like him. Just because Dovewing used him and his feelings doesn't mean it's okay for him to be inappropriate and ask for kits, two years after they've broken up, mind you. Dovewing was bad to him, she shouldn't have used him and communicated better with him, yes -- but Bumblestripe isn't innocent either. He has always critized her, asked for kits years after they broke up, and the fact that he's still not over her even after she broke up with him and still asks for kits is just... weird. I can't understand anyone who defends this gross behavior tbh. Dovewing's actions doesn't make him innocent. She is allowed to say no, and HAS said no to him before. Saying "I will not have kits for Darktail" makes that pretty clear itself. Bumblestripe should have respected that. He's disgusting. I'm sorry Bumblestripe was used, and I'm sorry Dovewing abandoned him, but her actions doesn't make him any nicer. I'm not excusing Dovewing's actions herself, but her being mean to him doesn't make Bumblestripe innocent. He asked to have kits like once. The timing was very wrong but Squirrelflight and Fernsong did the same thing(all be it at a more appropriate time) and they aren’t and absolutely do not deserve to be hated for it. Compared to the likes of RS Finleap he’s a saint. It’s not even like Dovewing didn’t want kits it’s just that she was madly in love with Traitorfart and definitely wanted to have a family with him as she eventually does. She was also the one who used him so tell me how this makes Bumblestripe the bad guy.
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Post by Aqua on Jun 8, 2021 22:29:25 GMT -5
I don't like him. Just because Dovewing used him and his feelings doesn't mean it's okay for him to be inappropriate and ask for kits, two years after they've broken up, mind you. Dovewing was bad to him, she shouldn't have used him and communicated better with him, yes -- but Bumblestripe isn't innocent either. He has always critized her, asked for kits years after they broke up, and the fact that he's still not over her even after she broke up with him and still asks for kits is just... weird. I can't understand anyone who defends this gross behavior tbh. Dovewing's actions doesn't make him innocent. She is allowed to say no, and HAS said no to him before. Saying "I will not have kits for Darktail" makes that pretty clear itself. Bumblestripe should have respected that. He's disgusting. I'm sorry Bumblestripe was used, and I'm sorry Dovewing abandoned him, but her actions doesn't make him any nicer. I'm not excusing Dovewing's actions herself, but her being mean to him doesn't make Bumblestripe innocent. He asked to have kits like once. The timing was very wrong but Squirrelflight and Fernsong did the same thing(all be it at a more appropriate time) and they aren’t and absolutely do not deserve to be hated for it. Compared to the likes of RS Finleap he’s a saint. It’s not even like Dovewing didn’t want kits it’s just that she was madly in love with Traitorfart and definitely wanted to have a family with him as she eventually does. She was also the one who used him so tell me how this makes Bumblestripe the bad guy. People are allowed to dislike Bumblestripe if they want to for what he did. It was absolutely more than one time, even after Dovewing told him no, he tells her to "think about it" when she already gave him a clear answer. That's disrespectful. Finleap doing worse things doesn't make Bumblestripe's actions okay. Dovewing is also allowed to have feelings for Tigerheart, and Bumblestripe is allowed to be bitter about this and dislike her for moving to ShadowClan. But comparing someone to another cat and saying "so and so was worse" doesn't make the other cat any better. Bumblestripe isn't a saint.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 8, 2021 22:39:07 GMT -5
Aquaeven if he's not a saint, there's still people in the fandom who flat out refuse to see things from bumblestripe's perspective. also, people don't like taking into account that they only made bumblestripe do the kit thing JUST to boost tigerheart...it's blatant, purposeful ruining. i will always argue that bumblestripe isnt as bad as the kit instance makes him out to be. they purposefully made it bad for a narrative agenda (to make readers root for dove x tiger even though its a bad pairing)
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Post by Aqua on Jun 8, 2021 22:42:12 GMT -5
Aquaeven if he's not a saint, there's still people in the fandom who flat out refuse to see things from bumblestripe's perspective. also, people don't like taking into account that they only made bumblestripe do the kit thing JUST to boost tigerheart...it's blatant, purposeful ruining. i will always argue that bumblestripe isnt as bad as the kit instance makes him out to be. they purposefully made it bad for a narrative agenda (to make readers root for dove x tiger even though its a bad pairing) But people do? I know he loved Dovewing and felt he was used, and I'm not saying Dovewing didn't use him. We understand how Bumblestripe feels and why he's bitter -- because she left him and to his PoV, she abandoned him without talking properly. But people need to understand from his flaws that Bumblestripe begging her to ask for kits, YEARS after they've broken up is downright creepy and I don't understand why people defend this behavior? Even if the authors did "ruin" him for Tigerheart's sake, it's not an excuse for what he did, just like how the authors ruining Dovewing and running off while she was pregnant doesn't excuse her own actions. She chose to do that and hurt other cats, and Bumblestripe chose to be disrespectful to her about kits. The authors ruining these characters for Tigerheart doesn't make EITHER of them innocent, and I'm including BOTH Dovewing and Bumblestripe for this situation.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jun 9, 2021 6:49:45 GMT -5
I dislike him.
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Post by cygna on Jun 9, 2021 7:32:50 GMT -5
He asked to have kits like once. The timing was very wrong but Squirrelflight and Fernsong did the same thing(all be it at a more appropriate time) and they aren’t and absolutely do not deserve to be hated for it. Compared to the likes of RS Finleap he’s a saint. It’s not even like Dovewing didn’t want kits it’s just that she was madly in love with Traitorfart and definitely wanted to have a family with him as she eventually does. She was also the one who used him so tell me how this makes Bumblestripe the bad guy. People are allowed to dislike Bumblestripe if they want to for what he did. It was absolutely more than one time, even after Dovewing told him no, he tells her to "think about it" when she already gave him a clear answer. That's disrespectful. Finleap doing worse things doesn't make Bumblestripe's actions okay. Dovewing is also allowed to have feelings for Tigerheart, and Bumblestripe is allowed to be bitter about this and dislike her for moving to ShadowClan. But comparing someone to another cat and saying "so and so was worse" doesn't make the other cat any better. Bumblestripe isn't a saint. I respect your position but people are also allowed to dislike Dovewing and Tigerheart for if they don’t want too. It’s fine if we interpreted the situation differently but I saw Dovewing as more at fault. She took advantage of another cat’s feelings for her and used him to move on from her ex. The time Bumblestripe asked her was wrong but seriously what else did he do. He was literally just a clingy bf not a possessive or manipulative one.
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Post by Aqua on Jun 9, 2021 9:08:24 GMT -5
People are allowed to dislike Bumblestripe if they want to for what he did. It was absolutely more than one time, even after Dovewing told him no, he tells her to "think about it" when she already gave him a clear answer. That's disrespectful. Finleap doing worse things doesn't make Bumblestripe's actions okay. Dovewing is also allowed to have feelings for Tigerheart, and Bumblestripe is allowed to be bitter about this and dislike her for moving to ShadowClan. But comparing someone to another cat and saying "so and so was worse" doesn't make the other cat any better. Bumblestripe isn't a saint. I respect your position but people are also allowed to dislike Dovewing and Tigerheart for if they don’t want too. It’s fine if we interpreted the situation differently but I saw Dovewing as more at fault. She took advantage of another cat’s feelings for her and used him to move on from her ex. The time Bumblestripe asked her was wrong but seriously what else did he do. He was literally just a clingy bf not a possessive or manipulative one. You're still misunderstand what I'm saying. I NEVER said people can't like Dovewing or Tigerheart. I couldn't care less if they do. We're just going to have to disagree and leave it at that. :/
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Post by ʙʀᴀᴄᴋᴇɴꜱᴜɴ ♞ on Jun 9, 2021 9:31:21 GMT -5
#Bumblebestboy
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 9, 2021 10:02:11 GMT -5
Bumblestripe: Asks for kits while in a relationship with a cat he thinks loves him in return, gets told no, doesn’t push it after that. Proceeds to get broken up with and never told the reasons why or what he ever did wrong in the relationship. Sees clanmates die and worries about the future and if he could possibly work things out again with the cat he really did genuinely love. Asks if she’ll consider ever wanting to resume their relationship and if they’d ever consider kits at an inappropriate moment for sure, gets told no again and absolutely drops the subject completely after being told no and never once pursues anything again, doesn’t insult or pressure her after now knowing the firm boundary, clearly learns from his inappropriate slip-up and is even supportive and civil when the same cat who dumped him like garbage who never seemed to ever want kits with him comes waltzing into camp with the Shadowclan leader and their three kits like she has the right to even set foot in Thunderclan after everything she did.
Fandom: Bumblestripe is a horrible, nasty, manipulative f-boy who only wants kits and nothing else and who’s like discount Ashfur who is obsessively stalking and harassing Dovewing, he’s a monster!!!!
Anyways, Bumblestripe really isn’t that awful and clearly was supportive even when Dovewing basically shoved her relationship with the cat she dumped him for in his face and brought kits she always seemed like she never wanted into the camp she abandoned. Like yeesh, that must feel awful. “Hey, you never loved me and basically strung me along to try and make yourself feel better that you clearly loved Tigerheart, then you constantly compared me to him anytime I did anything at all, then it wasn’t that you didn’t want kits, it was that it was just me that wasn’t your ideal lover yet you said nothing and dumped me without ever saying why until I had to now see the reason shoved in my face. Oh, I also have to be civil about it too or I’ll automatically be the bad guy.”
God, that scene made my blood boil. The audacity Dovewing had.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jun 9, 2021 11:00:33 GMT -5
Neutral, leaning towards dislike. I don't care much about his character, and some things about him grate on my nerves.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 9, 2021 11:08:13 GMT -5
I always liked him, even though he has moments where I wanna slap him but tbh I have that feeling with characters I like so it's not new. I find him overhated in all honesty.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 9, 2021 12:02:26 GMT -5
Neutral, borderline dislike. His romance with Dovewing pretty much ruins him for me, but just because it was clearly to make Tigerheart better in AVoS (seriously, this couldn't have been more obvious, we know this!) doesn't make his own actions any less creepy, regardless of his reasons.
Bringing new life into the world while things are especially tough is the last thing anyone needs, we see this with Jayfeather's reactions towards Brightheart expecting another litter and also the Clan's reaction with Cinderheart later on (and in the same book Bumblestripe makes his suggestion, no less).
Technically he does drop the subject, but he clearly isn't listening to her by not dropping it completely if he's just telling her to think about it. Even Fernsong and Ivypool reached a compromise when she first said no. At the very least, he should've asked at a more appropriate time.
And sure, Dovewing was still clearly attracted to Tigerheart, but not once does she even think about him during her talk with Bumblestripe, nor does she ever think about having kits with him, either. She was just glad that Tigerheart apparantly understood her and was disappointed that he wasn't a ThunderClan cat, but wasn't sure how to feel when he agreed that she shouldn't have kits with Bumblestripe.
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Aroace
#ffa100
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
Villain Enjoyer
Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 9, 2021 14:42:03 GMT -5
Conflicted.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 9, 2021 14:44:41 GMT -5
Moonblazer100% agree. each time dovewing had the audacity to compare bumblestripe to tigerheart in her POV's...yuck. so annoying, unfair, disrespectful, rude, etc.
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