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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 4, 2021 9:28:23 GMT -5
I think Heatherpaw was telling the truth. I mean, it makes sense for a kit to boast around about the tunnels. Kits have no filter.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jun 4, 2021 9:48:23 GMT -5
It would be very petty if Heatherpaw had told Onestar. Why would she want to start a war just because Lionpaw turned away from her? I believe it was just a kit's simple boasting mistake.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 4, 2021 9:50:53 GMT -5
On one hand, I'm not surprised if Sedgekit did tell since, well, she was a kit at the time. On the other, why would warriors believe a kit over this, unless they just found the tunnels later and realized that she was telling the truth. And though she was sad about it, Heatherpaw herself also accepted Lionpaw ending their friendship at the end of DR, which takes place in newleaf while Eclipse is set in leaf-fall.
We also have these from CT, which may help clear some things up:
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Post by Aqua on Jun 4, 2021 10:00:09 GMT -5
It hasn't been confirmed, but Heathertail said so herself that she doesn't want cats to die and has nothing against ThunderClan; she only held a grudge against Lionblaze. To me, this shows she was telling the truth.
However, I can't exactly blame Lionpaw for accusing this against her, either. I know people are going to defend Heatherpaw and say he was awful to her during the battle and pierced her skin, threatening her, blah blah, stuff I don't care about, but Lionpaw was in the heat in the moment and around the time, she and Breezepaw were the only ones who knew the tunnels well. Plus he was clearly in stress that his clan was under attack in the middle of the night, completely unprepared, so I can't really blame him for his reaction. Heatherpaw wasn't exactly the nicest cat to Lionpaw after they broke up, so him blaming her for this is understandable, even if I don't agree with it. And I wouldn't really rely on any of the writers for the confirmed answer either, since most of their answers are pretty inconsistent anyways. It all comes down to personal opinion, but even I don't like Heathertail that much, but I think she was telling the truth for this case, with her own actions proven later in the series that she clearly has nothing against ThunderClan and doesn't want to harm them.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 4, 2021 10:27:27 GMT -5
Heatherpaw wasn't exactly the nicest cat to Lionpaw after they broke up, so him blaming her for this is understandable, even if I don't agree with it. I'm not sure if this is entirely accurate. Here's Heatherpaw's reaction right after he ends things: After Lionpaw, Heatherpaw, and the others find the kits, Lionpaw attempts to comfort Heatherpaw. Despite the circumstances, Heatherpaw also teases him a bit. And this is the last time he sees Heatherpaw until the battle. She was clearly still hurt, but still accepted it in the end. Whenever she was hostile towards him, I'm pretty sure that had more to do with how he acted during the battle (nearly killing Crowfeather, saying that he'd be her enemy forever) than ending something they had as apprentices.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 4, 2021 11:01:46 GMT -5
I don't think Heathertail has ever lied to Lionblaze and I'm sure Sedgekit/whisker was the one who snitched. As for her being hostile towards him after their friendship broke apart Aqua , this definitely had something to do with how ruthless Lionblaze behaved during the Eclipse battle and also the fact that they were no longer friends but now instead rivals from different Clans.
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Post by Aqua on Jun 4, 2021 11:07:06 GMT -5
I don't think Heathertail has ever lied to Lionblaze and I'm sure Sedgekit/whisker was the one who snitched. As for her being hostile towards him after their friendship broke apart Aqua , this definitely had something to do with how ruthless Lionblaze behaved during the Eclipse battle and also the fact that they were no longer friends but now instead rivals from different Clans. I know the reason why Heathertail doesn't like Lionblaze, but it was a little frustrating to see both of them having their issues, and seeing Lionblaze's own thoughts about him blaming her for Hollyleaf's disappearance, and Heathertail attacking ThunderClan in TFW. After a while, it became frustrating. I'm glad they're finally over each other's grudges now, though I guess.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 4, 2021 11:37:31 GMT -5
I don't think Heathertail has ever lied to Lionblaze and I'm sure Sedgekit/whisker was the one who snitched. As for her being hostile towards him after their friendship broke apart Aqua , this definitely had something to do with how ruthless Lionblaze behaved during the Eclipse battle and also the fact that they were no longer friends but now instead rivals from different Clans. I know the reason why Heathertail doesn't like Lionblaze, but it was a little frustrating to see both of them having their issues, and seeing Lionblaze's own thoughts about him blaming her for Hollyleaf's disappearance, and Heathertail attacking ThunderClan in TFW. After a while, it became frustrating. I'm glad they're finally over each other's grudges now, though I guess. It was frustrating for me too but that's because I was really hoping they would still become another forbidden romance couple at the end of PoT or during OotS. My teen self's heart bleed when that didn't end up happening. Oh well, at least their canon mates make them happy.
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Post by Aqua on Jun 4, 2021 11:39:53 GMT -5
I know the reason why Heathertail doesn't like Lionblaze, but it was a little frustrating to see both of them having their issues, and seeing Lionblaze's own thoughts about him blaming her for Hollyleaf's disappearance, and Heathertail attacking ThunderClan in TFW. After a while, it became frustrating. I'm glad they're finally over each other's grudges now, though I guess. It was frustrating for me too but that's because I was really hoping they would still become another forbidden romance couple at the end of PoT or during OotS. My teen self's heart bleed when that didn't end up happening. Oh well, at least their canon mates make them happy. I actually liked Lion x Heather. They both seemed really happy together and part of me hoped Heather would move to ThunderClan. At the time, I feel like she probably would have done that, considering that's how much she liked him at the time. Heather didn't care about the rules and she always wanted to be with him, and she was always the one creating games and making up "DarkClan". I wonder if they both remember the times they played together. It's a shame it all went downhill the way it did.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 4, 2021 11:43:35 GMT -5
It was frustrating for me too but that's because I was really hoping they would still become another forbidden romance couple at the end of PoT or during OotS. My teen self's heart bleed when that didn't end up happening. Oh well, at least their canon mates make them happy. I actually liked Lion x Heather. They both seemed really happy together and part of me hoped Heather would move to ThunderClan. At the time, I feel like she probably would have done that, considering that's how much she liked him at the time. Heather didn't care about the rules and she always wanted to be with him, and she was always the one creating games and making up "DarkClan". I wonder if they both remember the times they played together. It's a shame it all went downhill the way it did. It really is a shame! Which is why I'm hoping for a Novella from Heathertail's perspective some day where she also remembers her friendship with Lionblaze. Her moving to ThunderClan gives me another AU idea, thank you for that!
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 4, 2021 13:48:48 GMT -5
didn't sedgekit tell windclan...? or am i thinking of a different instance?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 4, 2021 14:04:01 GMT -5
didn't sedgekit tell windclan...? or am i thinking of a different instance? Cloudy already mentioned it in her post. The thing is, it's never been confirmed if Heatherpaw was telling the truth, but CT seems to imply that she did.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 4, 2021 17:18:30 GMT -5
I'm inclined to believe that Heathertail was telling the truth because kits really do have no filters over what they say.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 4, 2021 18:44:12 GMT -5
Honestly, Heathertail has been a pretty consistently honest cat. On top of that, we've seen that she doesn't take issue with Thunderclan - just Lionblaze. She's an honorable and honest cat, so I don't think she'd do anything harmful
I definitely can believe it was a kit boasting to his friends about a scary adventure
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jun 5, 2021 5:00:18 GMT -5
I belive she was telling the truth. We've already seen she has no quarrel with Lionblaze or ThunderClan, she's honorable, holds no petty grudges, and has nothing to gain from telling Onestar about the tunnels. If anything, i belive that the kits were the ones who told Onestar about them.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 5, 2021 7:07:44 GMT -5
I believe she was telling the truth because honestly despite everything going on with lionblaze, Heathertail's had no beef with him nor did it ever extended to Thunderclan as a whole and after they stopped seeing eachother in the tunnels she is actively trying to move on from him. Why would she turn around and tell after being pretty clear that she's accepted that they must go their separate ways? (Albeit begrudgingly and frustrated at first, but got over it nonetheless)
Regardless of how "warranted" Lionblaze's anger towards her is, he clearly didn't know her enough from those tunnel trips to know that she's not that sort of cat. How is the instance of a KIT, which are known to have no filters whatsoever when speaking about stuff (I'd even say apprentices have no filter as well, we've seen instances of what was it, Ravenpaw? I think it was him, very early in TPB. AND Swiftpaw too, who lets the Brokenstar thing slip and it literally causes a war later. But Heathertail ain't one of those apprentices), less plausible than Heathertail who's shown no instance even in the end of ratting them out and was insistent on keeping the tunnels a secret for them up to that point? Does Lionblaze really not know that kits are completely incapable of keeping their mouths shut at times and is just looking for a reason to single her out specifically?
It's a shame really, I remember shipping these two together loooong long time ago, but Eclipse just grabbed that by the throat and shredded it and I will admit I'm still only a teensy bit salty about it to this day.
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