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Post by Rainsplash on Jun 1, 2021 8:53:23 GMT -5
Not counting TBC.
Do you think they're comparable, and they're both sticky creeps? I mean, I think they're really similar. Some people say that Bumblestripe was good, kind to his sister Briarlight, didn't protest against Millie being overprotective of Briarlight like Blossomfall for attention, and he was a fairly good warrior until Dovewing. And that Dovewing didn't give a clear sign she was done with him, and he could be excused; he wasn't a bad person.
But that's just Ashfur (slightly exaggerating). He was kind to his sister Ferncloud, and he was eager to avenge his mother Brindleface, showing grief. He's shown to be popular among the Clan (You can see it right after Ashfur is killed), and he's apparently a great warrior and a good mentor (to Birchfall).
I've been thinking about Ashfur a lot these days. He gives me the creeps. A lot of them.
Do you think it'd be natural if Bumblestripe took a wild turn like Ashfur? Would that be OOC of what he's shown, his attitude towards TigerDove?
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 1, 2021 8:59:15 GMT -5
Ashfur scared off Squirrelflight with his kittypet prejudice and dripped with such an angry aura that Leafpool was outright scared of him. His immediate response to the break up was to start ranting and raving about conspiracy theories and then trying to murder his leader. Bumblestripe...got mildly upset about it?
The two aren't comparable at all, Ashfur's precipitous downfall makes far more sense than Bumblestripe taking such a turn. That being said, Bumblestripe did take a turn in TBC when he ratted out Squirrelflight, but I find this to be believable enough since in that very same series we also see his moral limits(when his family is threatened he puts his ambitions aside).
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Post by Aqua on Jun 1, 2021 9:02:19 GMT -5
Eh, no. I don't like Bumblestripe, but the difference between him and Ashfur is that Bumblestripe accepted Dovewing no longer loved him the moment she left ShadowClan; Ashfur was angry, begged Squirrelflight to stay with him, manipulated Squirrelflight and tried to make Brambleclaw look bad by comparing him to Tigerstar, and used his mother's death to make Squirrelflight pity him. The worst Bumblestripe did was tell Dovewing off that if she leaves her clan, she leaves her kin. And he's right.
Remember, right after Ashfur left, he became cold and distant. He stopped talking to Squirrelflight completely, gossiping about her and moping around feeling sorry for himself.
Because of these differences, I really don't think Bumblestripe is that type of malicious cat. I still don't exactly think he's the most innocent, sweetest cat on earth (barf) but it would be OOC of him to turn on Dovewing like that.
Ashfur and Bumblestripe really aren't comparable. Both cats reacted completely different, and even Ashfur had more issues with his life than Bumblestripe, and because of his past issues I think that's what made him so desperate and cling into Squirrelflight more. Bumblestripe seemed to accept it as soon as Dovewing left. Ashfur had more issues than him that should be talked about more frequently imo. I believe there's so much more to Ashfur pinning after Squirrelflight than just him being an asshole.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 1, 2021 9:44:10 GMT -5
They're not comparable at all. They never were.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 10:27:00 GMT -5
Not even remotely comparable. Ashfur is far worse than Bumblestripe ever was.
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Post by Snowfire on Jun 1, 2021 10:54:20 GMT -5
They're not really comparable, Ashfur was much worse than Bumblestripe, unless the Erins want to pull the evil ex move with Bumblestripe as they did with Ashfur, which would definitely make them comparable, but I doubt that would happen.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jun 1, 2021 11:09:43 GMT -5
The only comparable thing were that they were both in a love triangle and got rejected in favor of the other cat. The similarities end at that.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jun 1, 2021 11:22:59 GMT -5
They aren't comparable in any way. Bumblestripe has his faults too, but Ashfur literally reacted a different way. He begged Squirrelflight to love him, guilt-tripped her, gave her the cold-shoulder, then became obssesed with her to the point he tried to take one of her father's lives, then later down the road, her three adopted children and herself.
And if we talk about the TBC, It gets even worse when he posseses her mate's corpse to get her to be her mate, then when rejected and discovered threathened the four Clans and her, kidnapped her, and when she tried to escape he physically attacked her, still saying that he loved her. It's gross and very unhealthy.
Bumblestripe reacted a whole different and more mature way. He got upset about it, but later accepted that Dovewing had a new mate. He then continued with his life.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 1, 2021 17:39:24 GMT -5
Bumblestripe didn't try to murder Dovewing's children out of anger of being rejected by her so that makes him and Ashfur immediately not comparable. Was Bumblestripe horribly insensitive? Yes, but that does not make him "just like Ashfur."
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 1, 2021 19:02:27 GMT -5
it hurts whenever i see bumblestripe compared to ashfur..
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 1, 2021 19:03:34 GMT -5
The only comparable thing were that they were both in a love triangle and got rejected in favor of the other cat. The similarities end at that. gray toms being rejected in favor of brown tabbies. #JusticeForGrayBoys (but only the nicer ones like bumblestripe. ashfur can go die twice).
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Post by ʙʀᴀᴄᴋᴇɴꜱᴜɴ ♞ on Jun 1, 2021 19:32:51 GMT -5
I don't really feel as though they are on the same wavelength AT ALL.
Unlike Ashfur, who literally had no reasonable explanation for his psycho actions except for 'Squirrelflight sent out mixed signals', Bumblestripe rightfully became spiteful because not only did Dovewing break the warrior code, but also played two guys at once.. and yet Bumblestripe was STILL semi-respectful and accepted the fact that Dovewing was with someone else.
I'd hate for the Erins to pull an Ashfur and completely wreck him as character by making him resentful and suddenly vindictive.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 1, 2021 19:42:48 GMT -5
We can make a comparison when, instead of accepting Dovewing chose someone else, Bumblestripe tries to murder Dovewing's family
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 1, 2021 22:01:35 GMT -5
Bumblestripe is pretty tame compared to the vengeful, unhinged incel that Ashfur became.
That said though, I did notice some similarities in regards to their love triangles. Ashfur and Bumblestripe (both gray toms now that I think of it) were in a love triangle revolving around a she-cat who happened to be related to Firestar. The other tom happens to be a dark brown tabby with amber eyes and a descendant of Tigerstar (I mean, Tigerheart is even named after him). They both briefly "win" the girl (though in Ashfur's case it was him misunderstanding that she chose him), but when Squirrel/Dove and Bramble/Tiger reconcile and get together, both of them resent her for choosing the other tom. Their mate even becomes leader and have kits together. Though at least Bumblestripe seems to have gotten over it. It makes me wonder if Ashfur noticed this in StarClan and listed Dovewing as a codebreaker because of it, as it would have reminded him of Squirrelflight. I'm probably looking too deep into this and is probably just a huge coincidence, but it was something I noticed.
Regardless, the two really aren't comparable. Ashfur's much, much worse than Bumblestripe.
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Post by downfalls on Jun 4, 2021 23:39:05 GMT -5
Not even close to comparable. Ashfur tried to kill 4 cats because of a love rejection, while Bumblestripe guilt-tripped Dovewing but accepted that she didn't love him.
I don't like either but Ashfur will always be way worse than Bumblestripe.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 5, 2021 14:12:54 GMT -5
Not at all! Bumblestripe is an angel compared to the demon Ashfur became way back during TNP/PoT.
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