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Post by Aqua on May 31, 2021 19:38:54 GMT -5
Was Squirrelflight right or wrong to lie about the Three?
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Post by Snowfire on May 31, 2021 19:50:44 GMT -5
Well she was doing what she believes is right in order to protect her sister, and StarClan did push her into it, but I think there would be a chance for a better outcome if they told the truth from the start.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 31, 2021 19:59:39 GMT -5
It was wrong but she didn’t have much of a choice. StarClan pushed her to do it and lied by saying she was infertile.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 31, 2021 21:51:22 GMT -5
Can't blame Leafpool or Squirrelflight given the situation, which was pretty much 100000000% Starclan's fault (Spottedleaf telling Leafpool to follow her heart and then getting mad at her for doing just that drives me INSANE). I'm not going to say wrong or right - it was just what had to be done given the circumstances
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 31, 2021 21:55:03 GMT -5
I really don't think anyone will argue that Squirrelflight was actually right for keeping the secret (whether or not it was understandable is a different story). Obviously Brambleclaw had every right to know the truth, as he was going to help raise them; by not telling him, Squirrelflight was lying to him every single day and everyone involved handled the situation horrendously, especially StarClan.
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Post by Brindlefern on May 31, 2021 22:16:56 GMT -5
The situation was completely against her and her sister so I'm gonna say neither.
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Post by kitters on May 31, 2021 22:51:15 GMT -5
yeah squirrel and leaf were both majorly screwed over so it's definitely StarClan's fault. specifically yellowfang/spottedleaf
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 31, 2021 23:01:44 GMT -5
everyone was wrong. spottedleaf was wrong to gaslight leafpool after the fact. leafpool was wrong to think the only option was to lie, and she and the starclan cats (mainly yellowfang) were all wrong to guilt squirrelflight into doing their stupid plan.
telling firestar and letting leafpool keep her kits and have perma queens help out was the only right solution in my opinion.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on May 31, 2021 23:35:32 GMT -5
It's a complicated situation honestly. I think if anyone should have known, it should have been Brambleclaw. He had every right to know from the start that those kits were not his, and it was really shitty for Squirrelflight not to tell him.
Though I also think Firestar and Sandstorm should have been told too. The rest of the Clan knowing? I'm not sure.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jun 1, 2021 7:00:50 GMT -5
I'd go with wrong, mainly because I believe she should have at least told Brambleclaw.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jun 1, 2021 7:22:13 GMT -5
Wrong, but what else could she do in that horrid situation?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 7:35:43 GMT -5
She should've told Bramble from the start. It sucks how Squirrel and Leaf were guilt-tripped and manipulated by StarClan though. Lying about Squilf's fertility was messed up.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jun 1, 2021 10:48:08 GMT -5
Honestly i'm going to say neither. Considering she was guilt-tripped and pushed by StarClan themselves to take in those kits, and was lied to about her fertility, it was obvious that to her that it seemed the right thing.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 1, 2021 12:26:16 GMT -5
Squirrelflight was manipulated by StarClan into taking the kits in, who told her that she was barren just so she would really have no way out because of getting convinced this could be her last and only chance of ever experiencing what it's like being a mother. Of course, it was wrong of her and Leafpool to lie about this entire situation to the whole of ThunderClan and all of the other Clan's as well but what choice did they have with that as StarClan's own will?
I'm truly believing neither Squirrelflight or Leafpool ever wanted to harm anyone with their secret and while I also think they should have confided in someone before it became such a mess, there's StarClan's potential wrath to consider here too.
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Post by downfalls on Jun 1, 2021 21:13:33 GMT -5
It was wrong sure, but Starclan pushed her to lie, and they (Starclan) lied themselves by saying she wasn't able to have kits. Can't blame Squirrelflight.
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Post by Aqua on Jun 1, 2021 21:58:21 GMT -5
It was wrong sure, but Starclan pushed her to lie, and they (Starclan) lied themselves by saying she wasn't able to have kits. Can't blame Squirrelflight. Eh. I respect your opinion, but Squirrelflight has a mouth and she can say no. She almost tried to before. It's not like cats haven't spoken against StarClan, and when they do, StarClan can't really do anything about it. Jayfeather has done this multiple times. Squirrelflight really could've just said no.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 1, 2021 22:25:13 GMT -5
It was wrong sure, but Starclan pushed her to lie, and they (Starclan) lied themselves by saying she wasn't able to have kits. Can't blame Squirrelflight. Eh. I respect your opinion, but Squirrelflight has a mouth and she can say no. She almost tried to before. It's not like cats haven't spoken against StarClan, and when they do, StarClan can't really do anything about it. Jayfeather has done this multiple times. Squirrelflight really could've just said no. To be fair, the only reason Squirrelflight agreed to take them in was because she genuinely thought it was her only chance to become a mother, and even then, it was only after Leafpool had given birth and Feathertail came to them. When Yellowfang suggests she raise the kits as her own, Squirrelflight very clearly doesn't want to and outright refused twice. Had it not been for Yellowfang's cruel lie and/or Feathertail—a cat she knew personally—visiting the sisters, I doubt Squirrelflight would've agreed to this and might've even convinced Leafpool to tell the truth, seeing as how her sister's backup plan was apparently to leave ThunderClan again. Also, just because Jayfeather was able to stand up to them doesn't mean every cat can, especially since they're more or less the equivalent to gods in the series.
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Post by kitters on Jun 1, 2021 22:30:53 GMT -5
It was wrong sure, but Starclan pushed her to lie, and they (Starclan) lied themselves by saying she wasn't able to have kits. Can't blame Squirrelflight. Eh. I respect your opinion, but Squirrelflight has a mouth and she can say no. She almost tried to before. It's not like cats haven't spoken against StarClan, and when they do, StarClan can't really do anything about it. Jayfeather has done this multiple times. Squirrelflight really could've just said no. Its probably quite nerve-wracking to say "no" to like.. your "god" (sry idk what to equate individual starclan cats to). I'm pretty sure that was the first time Squirrelflight met Starclan, right? could be wrong. either way, very scary situation to be in probably and saying no is not as easy as it sounds, especially to cats you're supposed to revere and worship.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 2, 2021 0:05:22 GMT -5
Actually, to add onto my previous post, StarClan wasn't really being very helpful when Leafpool first tried to consult with them—Spottedleaf, the cat who Leafpool respected the most, even scolds her for getting pregnant. When Leafpool tells Squirrelflight the truth, the latter is reluctant to help her even before they talk with Yellowfang. In the very next chapter, it's implied she'd taken Squirrelflight's words to heart and was testing Brightheart to be her apprentice: And like I said, Squirrelflight refuses to raise the kits twice (three times in total if you count when Leafpool first asked her): Again, since Squirrelflight refused, Leafpool was considering leaving ThunderClan again: It's only after Feathertail visits a few days later does Squirrelflight finally agree to take them in. With the kind of advice Yellowfang and Feathertail were giving and Leafpool's backup plan being to leave again, it's no wonder they felt compelled to lie; the fact that StarClan was encouraging it instead of doing the opposite didn't really help, either. StarClan may be made up of ordinary cats, but this doesn't make them any less powerful in death, at least from a Clan cat's perspective. There's a reason why the Clans worship them so fiercely. And of course, all of this takes place not long after Mousefur called a Clan meeting to complain about ThunderClan becoming too mixed (though since it's never mentioned again, I wouldn't be surprised if this was just forgotten about). Again, I'm not saying Squirrelflight should've lied. I'm saying StarClan themselves weren't being very helpful, either, when they're supposed to be the wise ancestors. What Yellowfang did was cruel and I'm amazed Squirrelflight doesn't seem to resent her for it.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 2, 2021 0:11:48 GMT -5
Actually, to add onto my previous post, StarClan wasn't really being very helpful when Leafpool first tried to consult with them—Spottedleaf, the cat who Leafpool respected the most, even scolds her for getting pregnant. When Leafpool tells Squirrelflight the truth, the latter is reluctant to help her even before they talk with Yellowfang. In the very next chapter, it's implied she'd taken Squirrelflight's words to heart and was testing Brightheart to be her apprentice: And like I said, Squirrelflight refuses to raise the kits twice (three times in total if you count when Leafpool first asked her): Again, since Squirrelflight refused, Leafpool was considering leaving ThunderClan again: It's only after Feathertail visits a few days later does Squirrelflight finally agree to take them in. With the kind of advice Yellowfang and Feathertail were giving and Leafpool's backup plan being to leave again, it's no wonder they felt compelled to lie; the fact that StarClan was encouraging it instead of doing the opposite didn't really help, either. StarClan may be made up of ordinary cats, but this doesn't make them any less powerful in death, at least from a Clan cat's perspective. There's a reason why the Clans worship them so fiercely. And of course, all of this takes place not long after Mousefur called a Clan meeting to complain about ThunderClan becoming too mixed (though since it's never mentioned again, I wouldn't be surprised if this was just forgotten about). Again, I'm not saying Squirrelflight should've lied. I'm saying StarClan themselves weren't being very helpful, either, when they're supposed to be the wise ancestors. What Yellowfang did was cruel and I'm amazed Squirrelflight doesn't seem to resent her for it. These passages make me so angry for Leafpool AND Squirrelflight.
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Post by mymerlincat on Jun 2, 2021 14:39:19 GMT -5
No, 100% honesty is one of if not the most important aspect of any relationship and Squirrelflight lied to Bramblestar about something serious every day for a year. It’s disgusting and I wish they would’ve never gotten back together
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Jun 6, 2021 7:36:26 GMT -5
Actually, to add onto my previous post, StarClan wasn't really being very helpful when Leafpool first tried to consult with them—Spottedleaf, the cat who Leafpool respected the most, even scolds her for getting pregnant. Leafpool felt her kits cold and unmoving in her belly. Had the journey through the storm harmed them? “Are my kits all right?” she begged. “Yes, they are well,” Spottedleaf meowed. Her voice cracked with sorrow. “Oh, Leafpool, what you have done? You foolish cat!” Leafpool flinched, feeling the lash of Spottedleaf’s tongue like a blow. “But I . . .” “You can’t make excuses,” Spottedleaf warned. “It’s too late for that, don’t you think?” “Spottedleaf, hush!” A thick-furred gray cat lumbered across the stone. Her flattened muzzle and stained teeth shone with the same light as her Clanmate. “Leafpool knows what she has done.” Spottedleaf narrowed her eyes. “If you can see a way out of this, you’re a wiser cat than I am, Yellowfang.” The old medicine cat twitched one matted ear. “Wisdom comes in many shapes. Now, leave us alone.” She pointed into the shadows with her nose. Spottedleaf glanced once more at Leafpool, then padded away. Leafpool crouched on the ground, not daring to move. She waited for Yellowfang to tell her how reckless she had been, how she had dishonored medicine cats everywhere. But to her surprise, she felt a rough tongue licking her head. Shaking, Leafpool let herself relax against the old she-cat. “Oh little one,” Yellowfang rasped, “I’m so sorry.” “It’s hardly your fault,” Leafpool pointed out, her voice muffled by Yellowfang’s fur. “You know, you’re not the first medicine cat to have this happen,” the old cat mewed. “Really?” Leafpool was disbelieving. Yellowfang nodded, her chin brushing Leafpool’s ears. “It happened to me, a long time ago.” Leafpool sat up so quickly that her head banged against Yellowfang’s muzzle. “What?” The gray-furred she-cat sighed and turned away to sit at the edge of the Moonpool. The water was still now, black and starlit like the sky. “Have you heard of Brokenstar?” she asked. “Of course,” mewed Leafpool. “Leader of ShadowClan before Nightstar and Blackstar. He tried to destroy ThunderClan with the help of rogues.” Yellowfang nodded. “He was my son.” Leafpool nearly fell over. “Did any cat know?” “Never. It was a terrible mistake, and I was punished by my secret every day of my life.” “Is… is that what’s going to happen with my kits?” Leafpool whispered. “Are they a terrible mistake, too?” Yellowfang closed her rheumy eyes. “Never say that. Life is always precious. It is what we fight for so hard, with every breath we take.” “But medicine cats are forbidden to have kits. What I have done is wrong.” Leafpool crouched on the stone, feeling the chill seep into her paws. “Wrong according to one code, but there are other ways to judge what we do,” Yellowfang rasped. “We are not allowed to have kits because we are supposed to love all our Clanmates equally, and the first Clan cats were afraid that we could treat our own kin ahead of any others. But when your kits are born, Leafpool, you will learn that your heart has space in it to love more than you could possibly imagine. Loving your kits does not mean you have less love for your Clan.” “Then the code should be different?” Leafpool mewed hopefully. Yellowfang lashed her tail. “I did not say that. The code of the medicine cats is there to remind us of our duties. We cannot change it, any more than we can change the seasons.” Leafpool felt a faint stirring in her belly, and she curled her tail protectively around her flank. “Is there any chance my Clanmates will accept these kits?” “ThunderClan lives and breathes the warrior code. I cannot promise they will forgive you. But your Clanmates have suffered so much these past few moons, nothing should matter more to you than staying with them.” The old cat’s gaze softened. “Your kits need not follow the same path as mine. If they believe that they are wanted and loved from the moment they take their first breath, they will have a chance to grow into strong, loyal, kind warriors.” She looked down at her paws. “My mistake was to give Brokenstar to a cat who did not love him, who resented every mouthful of milk he took from her.” “Please help me!” Leafpool begged. “I want to serve my Clan, but I cannot make these kits disappear!” Yellowfang stood up and started to walk back to the shadows. “You’ll have to be smarter than I was, that’s all.” Leafpool opened her mouth to protest. But there was a rush of wind and darkness, and when she opened her eyes she was lying beside the Moonpool with her babies wriggling inside her as if they were tired of lying on the cold ground. Leafpool heaved herself to her paws. StarClan had spoken clearly: Her duty was to remain as ThunderClan’s medicine cat. But how, when there was no way to keep these kits secret? Leafpool knew she had to confide in a living cat. And there was only one she could think of: a cat from whom love and happiness spilled out. Surely there would be enough to spare for some helpless kits? And this was the cat Leafpool had been closest to all her life, even when they were far apart… When Leafpool tells Squirrelflight the truth, the latter is reluctant to help her even before they talk with Yellowfang. Leafpool lifted her head. “I am ThunderClan’s medicine cat,” she meowed. “Nothing is more important than that. Squirrelflight, you have to help me find a way to raise these kits and still serve my Clan!” Squirrelflight took a step back. “That’s impossible!” “Without me, ThunderClan won’t have a medicine cat,” Leafpool insisted. “There’s not enough time to train an apprentice, and there are still wounds to be treated from the badger fight!” Squirrelflight’s eyes were troubled. “Other cats can take over your duties. Brightheart knows about herbs, doesn’t she? You don’t have to be a medicine cat, Leafpool. Everyone will get used to the idea eventually. It’s not like our Clanmates don’t know about you and Crowfeather.” “ThunderClan needs me to be their medicine cat. I cannot have these kits!” Squirrelflight looked at Leafpool’s swollen belly. “I don’t think you have a choice right now.” She moved closer and Leafpool felt the warmth of her sister’s breath against her cheek. “I’ll help you as much as I can, I promise,” Squirrelflight murmured. “Everything will be okay.” Leafpool looked at the tiny points of light being tossed on the lake, fragile and churned by the waves. Oh, Squirrelflight, you don’t understand. Nothing will ever be okay again.In the very next chapter, it's implied she'd taken Squirrelflight's words to heart and was testing Brightheart to be her apprentice: “Can I come in?” called a voice from the entrance. It was Brightheart, rolling a bundle of cobwebs in front of her. “Here you are,” she puffed, tucking them into a little cleft in the stone wall. “I found loads under a piece of old bark by the shore.” “Thanks,” mewed Leafpool. “While you’re here, would you like to extract a gigantic thorn from this brave little warrior?” Brightheart blinked. “Sure, if you want me to.” She squinted down at Berrykit’s paw. “Wow, that’s huge! Okay, hold still.” Berrykit leaned against Hazelkit as Brightheart bent over his foot and nipped out the prickle. She spat it onto a leaf and straightened up. “All done,” she declared. “Did it hurt?” Hazelkit asked. Berrykit nodded. “A bit. But I’m nearly a warrior, so I don’t mind. Thanks, Brightheart!” With a flick of his stumpy tail, he trotted out of the den with his sister. Brightheart watched them leave, then turned to Leafpool. “Is there something you want to tell me?” she meowed, her single eye wide with concern. In the half-light of the den, the ginger patches of fur glowed against her white pelt. Leafpool flinched. “What do you mean?” “So far today I’ve treated an infected tick wound on Mousefur, sorted out the last of our yarrow stocks, collected cobwebs, and now dealt with the smallest thorn I’ve ever seen. You know I never mind helping you, Leafpool, but any cat would think you wanted me to be your apprentice!” “How would you feel about that?” Leafpool mewed quietly. Brightheart purred. “I’m flattered to be asked, but what about Cloudtail and Whitepaw? I am a mother and a mate, and I don’t want to give that up. No, Leafpool, you made a brave decision to follow your destiny, especially after the… the Crowfeather incident. But I am very happy as I am. I love helping you and I hope that never changes, but you’ll have to look to these new litters of kits for an apprentice. With so many of them, it won’t be hard!” And like I said, Squirrelflight refuses to raise the kits twice (three times in total if you count when Leafpool first asked her): Squirrelflight stood up and looked from Yellowfang to Leafpool and back again. “Why am I here? Is there a way I can help Leafpool raise her kits?” “Yes,” mewed Yellowfang. “You can take them and raise them as your own.” Squirrelflight looked horrified. “What? How could I do that? I would have to lie to Firestar, to all my Clanmates, to Brambleclaw!” The old medicine cat blinked. “If a lie is what it takes to save these kits, so be it.” Squirrelflight paced in a tight circle. “I’m sorry. I just can’t see how I could do this. It’s too much.” “I can’t make you do anything that you don’t want to,” Yellowfang rasped. “I understand why you don’t want such a huge responsibility—not that I could appreciate it, of course, being a medicine cat.” Leafpool stiffened. So Yellowfang wasn’t going to tell Squirrelflight about her own terrible history? “But I have watched you, Squirrelflight,” Yellowfang continued, her voice barely louder than the wind against the stone. “I know you would make an excellent mother.” Her cloudy yellow gaze drifted to the Moonpool, which was being whipped into little waves by the breeze. Her ears pricked, as if she had seen something in the water. She blinked, then turned back to Squirrelflight. “I am so sorry,” she whispered. Squirrelflight stared at her, huge-eyed. “Sorry about what?” The old she-cat sighed. “I wish that the stars had not sent this message to me to pass on. But it is my duty. Squirrelflight, you will never have kits of your own.” Leafpool gulped. What?Her sister rocked backward on her haunches. “Are you sure? How can you possibly know that?” “Are you questioning StarClan?” Yellowfang hissed. Then she let her fur lie flat again. “Leafpool is offering you your only chance to be a mother. And Brambleclaw will be a great father. One day he will be the leader of ThunderClan! He needs kits to follow in his paw steps, don’t you think?” Leafpool held her breath. Squirrelflight stood up and walked to the edge of the Moonpool, where she gazed at the starlight rippling on the surface. Yellowfang followed her. “I know how difficult this is to hear. Come and rest. You will see things more clearly when you wake up.” She guided Squirrelflight back to the warm patch of stone where she had been lying before. Squirrelflight curled up, as silent and obedient as a kit, and let Yellowfang soothe her to sleep with long, smooth licks across her head. Leafpool waited until her sister was fast asleep, then stood up. “StarClan has never seen the future in the Moonpool before,” she meowed quietly. “Were you telling the truth?” Yellowfang kept her gaze fixed on Squirrelflight’s head. “The truth is that Squirrelflight will make a far better mother for these kits than you will, Leafpool. That is the only thing which matters now.” Leafpool tried to speak but a feather-soft darkness tugged at her, pulling her back into sleep. She lay down and let her eyes close as Yellowfang’s glowing shape faded away. When Leafpool woke, Squirrelflight was standing beside the Moonpool. Without looking around, she mewed, “Do you remember our dream?” “Yes,” Leafpool whispered. Her legs were trembling. Was Squirrelflight really going to take these kits from her? If it meant they could stay in ThunderClan and she could watch them grow, while still serving as a medicine cat, perhaps it was the only answer. Squirrelflight turned to face her, and her eyes were soft with sadness. “I love you, Leafpool, and I will keep my promise to help you. But I can’t lie to Brambleclaw for the rest of his life, nor to Firestar, Sandstorm and all our Clanmates. I’m so sorry, but I can’t do this for you.” Again, since Squirrelflight refused, Leafpool was considering leaving ThunderClan again: Leafpool stretched out as flat as she could with her belly propped awkwardly beside her. No more journeys to the Moonpool, little ones. StarClan has done as much as it can for us. Perhaps Yellowfang was right, and giving you to Squirrelflight was the only way to keep us here. But if Squirrelflight doesn’t want to, then we will have to find our own path.She smoothed her paw over the uncomfortable swelling. She knew the kits would come in the next quarter-moon. She would have to leave the camp in time to find a safe place to give birth. After that, she had no idea what would happen. If her Clanmates refused to accept her kits, she would have to give up her place in ThunderClan forever. Other cats had left, so Leafpool knew she could survive. It would be hard to hunt for food while the kits were still nursing, but Leafpool could cope with going hungry for a while. She would eat as much as she could from the fresh-kill pile before she left, and hope that none of her Clanmates were watching too closely. It's only after Feathertail visits a few days later does Squirrelflight finally agree to take them in. “These kits are more precious than you could possibly know,” she mewed softly. “Cats will speak of them for many seasons to come. They must stay in ThunderClan, for all the Clans’ sakes, with a mother and father who can be proud of them, who can share them with their Clanmates to be raised as strong, loyal warriors.” Leafpool opened her mouth to protest that this was impossible, her Clanmates would never accept Crowfeather as their father, and might reject her too, knowing that their medicine cat had destroyed the code. But Feathertail was looking at Squirrelflight. “I know how much Leafpool loves these kits,” she murmured. “But you must be their mother and raise them in ThunderClan with your head held high.” Squirrelflight stared at the starlit she-cat. “How can you do this?” she whispered. “You are asking me to lie to every cat I love.” Feathertail ran her paw very lightly over the backs of the sleeping kits. “Because I love these kits as much as you do. They are Crowfeather’s: How could I not? I want them to have the best life, not one lived outside the Clans, in shame and exile.” “Do you wish they were yours?” Squirrelflight whispered. The silver cat blinked without looking up. “That was never meant to be. The destiny of these kits begins now, and you have the power to change everything, Squirrelflight. Please believe me when I say that Leafpool’s kits must stay in ThunderClan.” She began to fade until the bark of the hollow tree could be seen behind her. Squirrelflight gazed at Leafpool, and the medicine cat saw water glistening in her sister’s eyes. “Feathertail was right,” Squirrelflight whispered. “I do love these kits, and I want them to have the best life they can—whatever lies ahead for them.” She took a deep breath. “I will raise them as mine and Brambleclaw’s, as true cats of ThunderClan.” With the kind of advice Yellowfang and Feathertail were giving and Leafpool's backup plan being to leave again, it's no wonder they felt compelled to lie; the fact that StarClan was encouraging it instead of doing the opposite didn't really help, either. StarClan may be made up of ordinary cats, but this doesn't make them any less powerful in death, at least from a Clan cat's perspective. There's a reason why the Clans worship them so fiercely. And of course, all of this takes place not long after Mousefur called a Clan meeting to complain about ThunderClan becoming too mixed (though since it's never mentioned again, I wouldn't be surprised if this was just forgotten about). Again, I'm not saying Squirrelflight should've lied. I'm saying StarClan themselves weren't being very helpful, either, when they're supposed to be the wise ancestors. What Yellowfang did was cruel and I'm amazed Squirrelflight doesn't seem to resent her for it. Yoo, what. I never read this novella/SE but this is ridiculous. Leafpool wanted to get help from StarClan since she was in a really stressful situation she couldn't get help from, and they just say "figure it out yourself"?? Then StarClan basically guilt-trips Squirrelflight twice until she concedes and offers to raise the kits?? I mean, it's kinda dumb that they didn't think of other options they could work through, like they could tell Firestar and Sandstorm (I think they'd be willing to help their daughter), and why did they assume automatically that they couldn't tell Brambleclaw? But the way StarClan went about this situation is really immoral. They lied to Squirrelflight just so she could take in the kits.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 6, 2021 8:05:03 GMT -5
Yoo, what. I never read this novella/SE but this is ridiculous. Leafpool wanted to get help from StarClan since she was in a really stressful situation she couldn't get help from, and they just say "figure it out yourself"?? Then StarClan basically guilt-trips Squirrelflight twice until she concedes and offers to raise the kits?? I mean, it's kinda dumb that they didn't think of other options they could work through, like they could tell Firestar and Sandstorm (I think they'd be willing to help their daughter), and why did they assume automatically that they couldn't tell Brambleclaw? But the way StarClan went about this situation is really immoral. They lied to Squirrelflight just so she could take in the kits. Yeah, StarClan were terrible in this and it really made me lose alot of respect for them, especially Yellowfang. I kinda wish we'd gotten Squirrelflight's PoV during this time, but according to Vicky, she didn't tell Brambleclaw because she wanted him to love the kits as though they were his own, which I always thought was weird because rejecting innocent kits just doesn't sound like something Brambleclaw would do. A better explanation would be that because he's still a new deputy at this time and already had to prove himself to the Clan, Squirrelflight was essentially giving him the ability to claim plausible deniability—at best, he'd remain deputy, but the Clan wouldn't trust him again. At worst, he'd have to step down and the Clan still wouldn't trust him again.
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