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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 29, 2021 19:03:23 GMT -5
instead of targeting the descendants of apple x reed, what if she went after every single cat who has a forbidden relationship? and all the bad things that happen for that forbidden couple will be blamed on mapleshade. thus, cats will be afraid of forbidden relationships in fear of getting smited by mapleshade.
like for example, what if mapleshade punishes leaf x crow by moving the badgers, which leads to midnight running into leaf x crow? then that snowballs into leafpool going back, dumping crowfeather, and driving crowfeather to anger and sorrow.
reedfeather suddenly wanting his kits and wanting to go to war for them? mapleshade influenced his thoughts in a dream and made him want to get his kits back no matter what.
mapleshade attacking sandstorm in the last hope was so dumb and out of nowhere. if her only goal was sabotaging the descendants of reed x apple, then why introduce the fact she's also hateful towards anyone with a happy relationship? there'd be a lot of cats and couples she could have haunted throughout all the clans if she felt angry about that as well.
i think her going after forbidden couples specifically fits better.
how would u "Fix" mapleshade to make her make sense?
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Post by Aqua on May 29, 2021 19:12:12 GMT -5
step 1: make her less stupid. easy
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 29, 2021 20:02:36 GMT -5
I really don't see why she would do this, considering she was in a forbidden relationship herself anyway. And can you imagine all of the forbidden relationships that we don't see? Restricting it to just a certain bloodline makes things much easier, not to mention far more convenient. Just because she went after someone who isn't related to any of her victims one time doesn't really mean anything, never mind the fact that she's nearly fading when we first see her and was in the DF for a very long time, so that likely affected her mental state in the most negative way possible, plus it was a literal war.
She could be used as a cautionary tale, like what we see in PC, but that's about it.
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Post by Rainsplash on May 29, 2021 20:28:45 GMT -5
That would be interesting
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Post by vectoring34 on May 29, 2021 20:31:35 GMT -5
I really don't like the "magical Mapleshade" idea and this makes it far worse. It doesn't make much sense for her to punish cats in forbidden relationships either, it's not like she has any moral objections against the idea.
By the time she went after Sandstorm, it was in the middle of a war so she would have gone after anyone regardless. She wasn't out there specifically looking for Sandstorm, and her ranting at Sandstorm seems to have nothing to do with her personally and more just hatred towards the clans in general.
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Post by Aqua on May 29, 2021 20:38:05 GMT -5
I really don't like the "magical Mapleshade" idea and this makes it far worse. It doesn't make much sense for her to punish cats in forbidden relationships either, it's not like she has any moral objections against the idea. By the time she went after Sandstorm, it was in the middle of a war so she would have gone after anyone regardless. She wasn't out there specifically looking for Sandstorm, and her ranting at Sandstorm seems to have nothing to do with her personally and more just hatred towards the clans in general. Mapleshade attacked Sandstorm out of jealousy though. She was angry that Sandstorm had the life she wanted, Sandstorm had a mate, kits, and a good clan life with everyone respecting her; Mapleshade didn't have any of that, so she felt Sandstorm deserved to die for having a good life. I guess it's a "if I can't be happy, why do you deserve it?" kind of thing imo.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 29, 2021 20:59:21 GMT -5
I really don't like the "magical Mapleshade" idea and this makes it far worse. It doesn't make much sense for her to punish cats in forbidden relationships either, it's not like she has any moral objections against the idea. By the time she went after Sandstorm, it was in the middle of a war so she would have gone after anyone regardless. She wasn't out there specifically looking for Sandstorm, and her ranting at Sandstorm seems to have nothing to do with her personally and more just hatred towards the clans in general. Mapleshade attacked Sandstorm out of jealousy though. She was angry that Sandstorm had the life she wanted, Sandstorm had a mate, kits, and a good clan life with everyone respecting her; Mapleshade didn't have any of that, so she felt Sandstorm deserved to die for having a good life. I guess it's a "if I can't be happy, why do you deserve it?" kind of thing imo. Did she? I mean, the encounter started off with Mapleshade sassing Sandstorm about daring to have hope when the moon began to show itself. This encounter comes VERY late into the battle, to such a degree that it comes off as bizarre if Mapleshade was specifically targeting her. Mapleshade then pounces her and starts her brief rant, but let's be real, she would have applied that to anyone at that point. The evidence of her deliberately targeting Sandstorm just isn't there, and it seems like she'd have said that no matter who it happened to be present.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on May 30, 2021 5:55:09 GMT -5
Perhaps Mapleshade will fix herself during ALitM or, if she survives even longer, in another arc.
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Post by cygna on May 30, 2021 8:10:34 GMT -5
How to fix Mapleshade???
IDK. Stop overusing her I guess. She could have been faded by the time of OoTS. She could have been a shadow that hangs over the dark forest. Spoken of and mysterious but never met. It would be cool if she just became some cats Tigerstar and DF co. talk about with someone who say wants revenge.
I want her to double dead but I weirdly want closure for her. Maybe let her see her beloved kits one last time.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 30, 2021 13:15:24 GMT -5
Feel like if she went after any forbidden relationships people would argue that she's being overused even more. She's fine as she is, the only real qualm is that she deserved and SE over a novella, but regardless people would still complain about her showing up too much in the main story line, even if it makes sense.
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Post by Aqua on May 30, 2021 18:07:28 GMT -5
Feel like if she went after any forbidden relationships people would argue that she's being overused even more. She's fine as she is, the only real qualm is that she deserved and SE over a novella, but regardless people would still complain about her showing up too much in the main story line, even if it makes sense. Because she IS overused. Mapleshade appears in storytelling of queens telling tales to frighten the kits, she's in Tigerclaw's Fury, Spottedleaf's Heart, Goosefeather's Curse, and she's STILL alive in The Broken Code, when she was mentioned to be nearly faded back in Omen of the Stars, and it wasn't even for a good reason, like most of the reasons why she's in the books; she just says she wants to possess someone and that's it. Mapleshade says something once and then poofs. She's some voice in someone's head and poofs. She literally has done nothing interesting in the books since her novella, and only exists for one or two lines just to please the fans. There's a reason why people are annoyed with her. She's treated as someone who only shows up for some cool villain appearance nowadays rather than the sake of the story. She doesn't do anything interesting anymore.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 30, 2021 18:50:49 GMT -5
Feel like if she went after any forbidden relationships people would argue that she's being overused even more. She's fine as she is, the only real qualm is that she deserved and SE over a novella, but regardless people would still complain about her showing up too much in the main story line, even if it makes sense. Because she IS overused. Mapleshade appears in storytelling of queens telling tales to frighten the kits, she's in Tigerclaw's Fury, Spottedleaf's Heart, Goosefeather's Curse, and she's STILL alive in The Broken Code, when she was mentioned to be nearly faded back in Omen of the Stars, and it wasn't even for a good reason, like most of the reasons why she's in the books; she just says she wants to possess someone and that's it. Mapleshade says something once and then poofs. She's some voice in someone's head and poofs. She literally has done nothing interesting in the books since her novella, and only exists for one or two lines just to please the fans. There's a reason why people are annoyed with her. She's treated as someone who only shows up for some cool villain appearance nowadays rather than the sake of the story. She doesn't do anything interesting anymore. Mapleshade knew Thistleclaw through Silverhawk, it would make sense she knew about Tigerclaw too and also met Spottedleaf, especially because of their connection to the Dark Forest. Even more so considering she takes out Spottedleaf later in the final battle. She also knew Goosefeather in Crookedstar's Promise, her first appearance, it also makes sense for her to appear in Goosefeather's novella later down the line to explain how they knew one another. The reason she, and many others, are in TBC is because the cats don't fade if they keep their existence and memories alive in the living. If she hadn't showed up in the final battle against the living then yeah she would most likely have faded by now, but that's not what happened. This is all explained in the books already. Mapleshade, as a villain, originally wanted vengeance against Appledusk's bloodline, and the destruction of the clans because of how she was treated. She failed the first half of that plan in Crookedstar's promise, but she still continued to operate from the Dark Forest for the second half of the plan. It makes sense for her character, someone who as pleased about being in the Dark Forest, and reestablished her anger on the living, to still be around even by TBC. She along with other villains are brought up in nursery tales to scare cats, but this is only causing them to be able to exist even longer instead of fading away in the DF like they should have. If anything this is a problem that the living cats have, not really Mapleshade who's existing because of their idiocy. Like I said, it makes sense for her to show up, just that people are tired of her showing up.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 30, 2021 19:27:53 GMT -5
I don't care about Mapleshade's constant appearances, the only thing that annoys me about Mapleshade is the memetic "it was her the whole time". When she's not being shoved into everyone's backstories or some mastermind who was behind everything, she's fine, and she's enjoyable as a background DF cat.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on May 30, 2021 19:45:54 GMT -5
Have Mapleshade's novella and appearance in CP be the only mentions of her, and if necessary have her be a background DF cat. Her being shoved into so many backstories made her annoying for me.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 31, 2021 9:26:28 GMT -5
I don't have anything i would actually like to "fix", but i would make her novella a super edition. I would also make her kill more cats, and have a more epic death.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 31, 2021 15:14:43 GMT -5
I don't have anything i would actually like to "fix", but i would make her novella a super edition. I would also make her kill more cats, and have a more epic death. agreed. if her story was a novella, we'd actually get to see her pre-appledusk, during appledusk, and more indepth on the post-appledusk stuff. everything was rushed along because of the novella format.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 31, 2021 16:15:51 GMT -5
I don't have anything i would actually like to "fix", but i would make her novella a super edition. I would also make her kill more cats, and have a more epic death. I definitely think a SE would help and make some of the cats she kills more likable, maybe increase her kills. Have her kill Nettlepaw, who was helping her.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 16:19:45 GMT -5
I don't have anything i would actually like to "fix", but i would make her novella a super edition. I would also make her kill more cats, and have a more epic death. I definitely think a SE would help and make some of the cats she kills more likable, maybe increase her kills. Have her kill Nettlepaw, who was helping her. No, not Nettlepaw! He was a nice minor character, I liked him in all three books he appeared in.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 31, 2021 16:26:08 GMT -5
I definitely think a SE would help and make some of the cats she kills more likable, maybe increase her kills. Have her kill Nettlepaw, who was helping her. No, not Nettlepaw! He was a nice minor character, I liked him in all three books he appeared in. I like him too I just think more people would be against Mapleshade if she actually harmed a cat who wasn't a piece of trash. Nettlepaw, Myler, Beetail, Bloomheart.... All decent cats from that book
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 31, 2021 17:39:31 GMT -5
No, not Nettlepaw! He was a nice minor character, I liked him in all three books he appeared in. I like him too I just think more people would be against Mapleshade if she actually harmed a cat who wasn't a piece of trash. Nettlepaw, Myler, Beetail, Bloomheart.... All decent cats from that book I can't really see her going for cats that she didn't have personal grudges against, it is called Mapleshade's Vengeance after all. But I do think she'd probably go after Oakstar at some point, and maybe even Bloomheart for not stopping the exile and turning his back on her. Would be interesting.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 31, 2021 17:52:45 GMT -5
I like him too I just think more people would be against Mapleshade if she actually harmed a cat who wasn't a piece of trash. Nettlepaw, Myler, Beetail, Bloomheart.... All decent cats from that book I can't really see her going for cats that she didn't have personal grudges against, it is called Mapleshade's Vengeance after all. But I do think she'd probably go after Oakstar at some point, and maybe even Bloomheart for not stopping the exile and turning his back on her. Would be interesting. I think it would’ve been really interesting if she tried going for Oakstar and/or Darkstar, all leaders with multiple lives. Oh god, imagine if she killed Reedshine after accidentally killing Appledusk and successfully fought Perchpaw off... I mean, technically she only wanted to kill 3 victims but that wouldn’t stop her from going for others. She was off her bonkers and she might end up even more thirsty for revenge after that. Maybe then she dies going after either leader instead, most likely Oak. I’d honestly think that would be more interesting than what actually happened.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 31, 2021 18:18:14 GMT -5
I can't really see her going for cats that she didn't have personal grudges against, it is called Mapleshade's Vengeance after all. But I do think she'd probably go after Oakstar at some point, and maybe even Bloomheart for not stopping the exile and turning his back on her. Would be interesting. I think it would’ve been really interesting if she tried going for Oakstar and/or Darkstar, all leaders with multiple lives. Oh god, imagine if she killed Reedshine after accidentally killing Appledusk and successfully fought Perchpaw off... I mean, technically she only wanted to kill 3 victims but that wouldn’t stop her from going for others. She was off her bonkers and she might end up even more thirsty for revenge after that. Maybe then she dies going after either leader instead, most likely Oak. I’d honestly think that would be more interesting than what actually happened. Honestly I would have liked to see her kill more cats, but they had to cut the novella short with only 10 chapters. However even though Mapleshade was still insane, her obsession with her kits resting in peace could have been an interesting thing to explore, and her unhinged nature that followed. I would have liked to see a serial killer in the series, and the cats struggling to take them down, but seeing it from the killers perspective is even more intriguing. Also leaders can still be killable, despite having 9 lives, if they sustain an injury that's horrible enough, they'll lose all their lives, and I'm pretty sure Mapleshade with try and think of a plan along those lines. Or maybe try to find a way where she can make them suffer for each life? Who knows, would be nice. Personally for my AU, I like the idea of Mapleshade still losing her kits but she accepts Myler's aide and stays with him at the barn, but she still struggles with the trauma of what happened during the storm. Losing her home, her kits, her mate, and then being treated like crowfood. And even though she acknowledges that she can start over and have a new life with Myler, her thirst for revenge pulls her more, and she starts to plan a ways to kill cats that have wronged her. She'd stay with Myler during the day, but at night she'd sneak out and start picking off cats, one by one, it would be nice to see. Eventually she does meet her end, her and Appledusk killing each other possibly? But her killing streak still makes cats afraid to go out at night alone.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 1, 2021 17:04:05 GMT -5
I think it would’ve been really interesting if she tried going for Oakstar and/or Darkstar, all leaders with multiple lives. Oh god, imagine if she killed Reedshine after accidentally killing Appledusk and successfully fought Perchpaw off... I mean, technically she only wanted to kill 3 victims but that wouldn’t stop her from going for others. She was off her bonkers and she might end up even more thirsty for revenge after that. Maybe then she dies going after either leader instead, most likely Oak. I’d honestly think that would be more interesting than what actually happened. Honestly I would have liked to see her kill more cats, but they had to cut the novella short with only 10 chapters. However even though Mapleshade was still insane, her obsession with her kits resting in peace could have been an interesting thing to explore, and her unhinged nature that followed. I would have liked to see a serial killer in the series, and the cats struggling to take them down, but seeing it from the killers perspective is even more intriguing. Also leaders can still be killable, despite having 9 lives, if they sustain an injury that's horrible enough, they'll lose all their lives, and I'm pretty sure Mapleshade with try and think of a plan along those lines. Or maybe try to find a way where she can make them suffer for each life? Who knows, would be nice. Personally for my AU, I like the idea of Mapleshade still losing her kits but she accepts Myler's aide and stays with him at the barn, but she still struggles with the trauma of what happened during the storm. Losing her home, her kits, her mate, and then being treated like crowfood. And even though she acknowledges that she can start over and have a new life with Myler, her thirst for revenge pulls her more, and she starts to plan a ways to kill cats that have wronged her. She'd stay with Myler during the day, but at night she'd sneak out and start picking off cats, one by one, it would be nice to see. Eventually she does meet her end, her and Appledusk killing each other possibly? But her killing streak still makes cats afraid to go out at night alone. That sounds like an amazing idea and totally not only because I want to see more of Myler. But Mapleshade going full-on serial killer would be great to read.
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