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Post by Aqua on May 29, 2021 13:26:47 GMT -5
I see a lot of people complaining about how cats don't owe anyone anything for a rival clan cat, yet when Reedshine is hostile to Mapleshade and hardly knows her, why do people act like the situation is any different? I really don't see how Reedshine was all that bad. She's just as much of a victim as Mapleshade with Appledusk cheating on her, and for all she knew, Mapleshade killed the kits, and that's probably how she saw the situation. I feel like Reedshine is the most innocent one in MV. Reedshine really doesn't owe Mapleshade anything imo. She doesn't know her or her problems.
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Post by Brindlefern on May 29, 2021 13:27:40 GMT -5
Reedshine is basically one of the more innocent cats of MV and I can genuinely say she did nothing wrong. In this essay I will-
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Post by Aqua on May 29, 2021 13:29:03 GMT -5
Reedshine is basically one of the more innocent cats of MV and I can genuinely say she did nothing wrong. In this essay I will- Let me finish: - defend her at all costs!!
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Post by Aqua on May 29, 2021 13:33:07 GMT -5
the warrior code: be loyal to your clan and follow the rules, and protect your borders, and pick your clan above anything else Reedshine: Get out of here, Mapleshade! Fans: YOU DESERVE THE DARK FOREST YOU COLDHEARTED CAT
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Post by Mothdapple on May 29, 2021 13:35:51 GMT -5
I absolutely agree!! She gets way too much slack for literally just defending her mate when she was pregnant. The main reason why she likely defended him was because she knew she was expecting kits and didn’t want them to be without their father (which doesn’t help in the end anyways lol). Reedshine wasn’t obligated to be nice to Mapleshade, a cat from a rival clan who she DID NOT know about and her mate cheated on her with.
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Post by Aqua on May 29, 2021 13:37:24 GMT -5
I absolutely agree!! She gets way too much slack for literally just defending her mate when she was pregnant. The main reason why she likely defended him was because she knew she was expecting kits and didn’t want them to be without their father (which doesn’t help in the end anyways lol). Reedshine wasn’t obligated to be nice to Mapleshade, a cat from a rival clan who she DID NOT know about and her mate cheated on her with. and this is also the same warrior who was literally attacked while she was pregnant by Mapleshade herself, which probably just gives Reedshine even more of an excuse to hate Mapleshade, and I can't really blame her tbh.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 29, 2021 13:42:22 GMT -5
Reedshine was also pregnant at the time and her kits likely would've faced scrutiny because of what their father had done. By defending Appledusk, she also might've been ensuring a decent enough future for her kits. And I agree, she doesn't owe Mapleshade anything, either. Appledusk never really let her tell her side of the story, so it was his word against hers. Of course she'd side with her Clanmate and father of her kits. Really, her only fault was telling Mapleshade to go away, but Darkstar had already made up her mind anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 13:42:27 GMT -5
She's one of the cats I'll always defend even if she's super minor. The hate she gets is unjustified. People act like she put her claws on Mapleshade or something.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 29, 2021 14:35:54 GMT -5
I felt like she was justified imo. I know people say that she was too cold but i'll be brutally honest here; Reedshine didin't owe her any pity, she wasn't obligated to feel bad for Mapleshade and her kits. Not only she dosen't know about her problems, she knows nothing of the situation, and when she comes padding into camp, she inmediately threathens her mate's position. She dosen't know her personally, and as her Clanmates have said, the river was too dangerous so she could even think that she killed the kits herself, so it was her recklessness and foolishness that got her kits killed. If she really thinks this, as an expectant queen herself, how does she need to kind to her?
If roles were reversed, and Reedshine came with Appledusk's kits to the ThunderClan camp, i'm absolutely sure that Mapleshade would have acted similarly to Reedshine, protecting him from exile. So how is Reed suddenly so bad?
She's hated for defending Appledusk? Come on. If she was shitty with him and encouraged her leader to kick him out, that would dooming her kits to be judged for having a traitor as a father. She also would be leaving an apprentice whitout mentor. She probably felt like she could forgive him to not only ensure her kits a future safe from scrutiny, she would be giving her mate a second chance, because she saw that he BEGGED for FORGIVENESS and literally acknowledged his mistakes. That could have been enough for Reedshine to know that he was keen on becoming a better person.
Imo, Reedshine is completely innocent, and just as much as a victim to Appledusk's cheating as much as Mapleshade herself. I'm wondering what do people want her to do? Be all friendly and welcoming?
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 29, 2021 14:41:10 GMT -5
the warrior code: be loyal to your clan and follow the rules, and protect your borders, and pick your clan above anything else Reedshine: Get out of here, Mapleshade! Fans: YOU DESERVE THE DARK FOREST YOU COLDHEARTED CAT And also, probably feeling bad for Mapleshade and saying something kind to her might have her Clanmates think she was a traitor too. She couldn't take those risks.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 29, 2021 14:47:03 GMT -5
the warrior code: be loyal to your clan and follow the rules, and protect your borders, and pick your clan above anything else Reedshine: Get out of here, Mapleshade! Fans: YOU DESERVE THE DARK FOREST YOU COLDHEARTED CAT And also, probably feeling bad for Mapleshade and saying something kind to her might have her Clanmates think she was a traitor too. She couldn't take those risks. And if Oakstar and Darkstar's behaviors were any indication, the Clans seemed to be more strict during this time (regardless of the circumstances, the fact that absolutely no one even tries to object to the former exiling three kits is probably telling).
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 29, 2021 15:02:11 GMT -5
she didnt do anything wrong. could have been a LITTLE more sympathetic that a mother just lost all her kits and was traumatized.
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Post by Aqua on May 29, 2021 15:05:54 GMT -5
the warrior code: be loyal to your clan and follow the rules, and protect your borders, and pick your clan above anything else Reedshine: Get out of here, Mapleshade! Fans: YOU DESERVE THE DARK FOREST YOU COLDHEARTED CAT And also, probably feeling bad for Mapleshade and saying something kind to her might have her Clanmates think she was a traitor too. She couldn't take those risks. Yeah, it's honestly not fair of people to be mad at Reedshine for not doing anything for her. And none of this wouldn't have happened if Mapleshade hadn't, ya know, BROKEN THE CODE? Taken the kits OUTSIDE OF CAMP TO THE RIVER? And it's not even that I'm critizing her for - I'm more angry at how unfair Mapleshade has been to her clan and how she treated them, taking advantage of their feelings. I really couldn't care less about what she did to the code - it's her dumb, delusional thinking, and expecting too much out of these kits is what bothered me the most, and that reckless thinking is what put them in danger in the first place. She should've just kept quiet.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on May 29, 2021 16:38:12 GMT -5
I feel like Reedshine could have shown more sympathy for a mother who had just lost her kits. Then again, that other she cat turned out to be her mate's side chick, (or was it reversed?), so I'm sure this influenced her treatment of Mapleshade to some extent. What is rather surprising, was her not really acknowledging Appledusk's betrayal and instead putting the blame elsewhere.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on May 29, 2021 17:18:25 GMT -5
I honestly don't know what Reedshine could have done to "be nicer" to Mapleshade. Reedshine had literally no idea who Mapleshade was, what Mapleshade's backstory was, and therefore didn't owe anything to her. Reedshine didn't need to defend Mapleshade at all.
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Post by Rainsplash on May 29, 2021 20:24:22 GMT -5
Honestly, Reedshine didn't know what story Mapleshade had. A rival cat was on her territory and she said "Go away" and people hate her for it. Then they hate her again because she defended Appledusk, rather than shouting and encouraging Darkstar to banish him. Jeez
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Post by cygna on May 29, 2021 20:43:53 GMT -5
Reedshine did nothing wrong
But I don’t have to like her. This IS Mapleshade’s story and while they way she’s painted isn’t going to be in a positive light she didn’t do anything that made her likable specially. Yeah she went through some bad things but when compared to Mapleshade finding out her mate cheated on her and loosing her kits and being banished from her clan FOR FALLING IN LOVE why should I feel bad for Reedshine who has it arguably better.
She absolutely does not deserve the dark forest who tf even thinks that?
I still don’t like her though and I never will.
The fact she named one of her kits after her cheating mate...
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 29, 2021 20:55:18 GMT -5
The fact she named one of her kits after her cheating mate... To be fair, Appledusk died literally saving her life. She likely named one of her kits after him because she wanted to honor his sacrifice.
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Post by cygna on May 29, 2021 20:57:54 GMT -5
The fact she named one of her kits after her cheating mate... To be fair, Appledusk died literally saving her life. She likely named one of her kits after him because she wanted to honor his sacrifice. I guess. I don’t like her and I definitely hate Appledusk still.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on May 29, 2021 21:58:53 GMT -5
Sure she's innocent, but I don't need to like her or excuse her attitude towards a queen who just lost everything--incliding her kits.
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