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Post by Lionstrike on May 27, 2021 16:50:31 GMT -5
Just throw down some opinions on Breezepelt- Thanks!
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Post by Lionstrike on May 27, 2021 16:51:24 GMT -5
Personally I don't know how they forgave him after the Dark Forest incident- I know they forgave all the others but he was actually on their side!
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Post by Aqua on May 27, 2021 16:59:48 GMT -5
I despise Breezepelt. Breezepelt had a very rushed redemption, which frustrates me because a lot of other cats worked their ass off to be forgiven, while Breezepelt only kills two stoats and gets off scott-free. Instead of him getting exiled, it was Crowfeather, and Nightcloud blamed Crowfeather for Breezepelt's choices, which was really unfair from her.
Even if Crowfeather neglected Breezepelt, it doesn't excuse the fact that Breezepelt chose to attempt murder. He tried to kill a pregnant, defenseless queen who had nothing to do with his life, laughed at his dead sister's body, almost killed his brother Lionblaze, and wanted to kill a medicine cat right in front of the Moonpool.
Breezepelt has no respect for the warrior code, his life, or the cats around him. Even if his own Clanmates wanted Breezepelt dead, he still got away with his crimes unpunished, and everyone is letting his behavior slide.
A bad past doesn't excuse his actions. Being manipulated from the Dark Forest doesn't excuse it, either. Does it make sense? Of course. Breeze felt unloved by his father, and went with the wrong gang because of it. They took advantage of his insecurities and hatred for his father and told him to do the wrong thing. It's why I loved him as a villain in the first place; I truly felt like he was one of the Erins' best villains... until his redemption was written.
Breezepelt should have never been forgiven, and quite frankly, I don't think he deserves to be happy with a family and a mate. He tried to kill many, many innocent cats because his father neglected him. Crowfeather ended up taking the punishment instead because Onestar was impatient with him, and that's not fair.
Nightcloud was a terrible influence to Breezepelt, and Crowfeather wasn't a good father, but in the end, Breezepelt made his own choices, and he should have been exiled or killed during the Great Battle. Breezepelt chased off his own Clanmate and almost killed Lionblaze. I'm annoyed he got away with these crimes.
Normally, I'm not the one who even LIKES cats getting a punishment, but for this case, Breezepelt was putting many lives in danger. Nothing justified that - nothing - and he should have been exiled at best, living alone as a rogue.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 27, 2021 17:00:54 GMT -5
I despise Breezepelt. Breezepelt had a very rushed redemption, which frustrates me because a lot of other cats worked their ass off to be forgiven, while Breezepelt only kills two stoats and gets off scott-free. Instead of him getting exiled, it was Crowfeather, and Nightcloud blamed Crowfeather for Breezepelt's choices, which was really unfair from her. Even if Crowfeather neglected Breezepelt, it doesn't excuse the fact that Breezepelt chose to attempt murder. He tried to kill a pregnant, defenseless queen who had nothing to do with his life, laughed at his dead sister's body, almost killed his brother Lionblaze, and wanted to kill a medicine cat right in front of the Moonpool. Breezepelt has no respect for the warrior code, his life, or the cats around him. Even if his own Clanmates wanted Breezepelt dead, he still got away with his crimes unpunished, and everyone is letting his behavior slide. A bad past doesn't excuse his actions. Being manipulated from the Dark Forest doesn't excuse it, either. Does it make sense? Of course. Breeze felt unloved by his father, and went with the wrong gang because of it. They took advantage of his insecurities and hatred for his father and told him to do the wrong thing. It's why I loved him as a villain in the first place; I truly felt like he was one of the Erins' best villains... until his redemption was written. Breezepelt should have never been forgiven, and quite frankly, I don't think he deserves to be happy with a family and a mate. He tried to kill many, many innocent cats because his father neglected him. Crowfeather ended up taking the punishment instead because Onestar was impatient with him, and that's not fair. Nightcloud was a terrible influence to Breezepelt, and Crowfeather wasn't a good father, but in the end, Breezepelt made his own choices, and he should have been exiled or killed during the Great Battle. Breezepelt chased off his own Clanmate and almost killed Lionblaze. I'm annoyed he got away with these crimes. Normally, I'm not the one who even LIKES cats getting a punishment, but for this case, Breezepelt was putting many lives in danger. Nothing justified that - nothing - and he should have been exiled at best, living alone as a rogue. You took my words out of my mouth.
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Post by แนขanษypawโข on May 27, 2021 17:09:52 GMT -5
A lot of the reason why I dislike Breezepelt comes from the fact that he never got punished for trying to kill a pregnant queen and blind medicine cat. So yeah, hard dislike for him.
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Post by Featherstar on May 27, 2021 17:15:00 GMT -5
Huh! Lionblaze making a thread about his half-brother! Who would've thought?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 18:01:40 GMT -5
He's trash, can't stand him. #1 least favourite in the entire series. Aqua said it best.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on May 27, 2021 18:53:17 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion, but I like him.
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Post by Moonblazer on May 27, 2021 18:54:31 GMT -5
Iโm fine with him. I actually think his โredemptionโ is the best written one because itโs not really a redemption and doesnโt try to be. Nobody in Windclan really actually forgives him, cats wanted him dead, even Crowfeather thought about his own son being dead. So no, he was not out here scott free, nor was he absolved of his actions. Iโm glad he has a healthy relationship and made up with his family, and that he very clearly isnโt as angry anymore. Honestly, he was actually really understanding and gentle towards Smokyโs kits, telling Daisy that he feared they would not live if they didnโt get aid soon, which was a nice moment of his genuinely softer side, probably seeing as he is also a father by this point.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 27, 2021 19:34:30 GMT -5
I mean
I'm fine with him
I like that his redemption didn't end in forgiveness from most cats and that he seems to have matured some. I think it's kind of sweet that he ends up defending and fighting alongside Lionblaze and clearly realizes the wrongs he's done
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 27, 2021 19:38:46 GMT -5
Personally I don't know how they forgave him after the Dark Forest incident- I know they forgave all the others but he was actually on their side! But he wasn't really forgiven. He gets called out constantly, even as of TBC and his clanmates don't really like him. The only cats who have forgiven him are like...Nightcloud, Crowfeather, Lionblaze, and Heathertail. 3/4 of those are his family
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Post by Rainfire on May 27, 2021 20:25:39 GMT -5
I'm just...neutral on him. I have no idea how to feel about him anymore. I appreciate that he's at least much more calm now, though.
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Post by Fireleap on May 27, 2021 20:48:31 GMT -5
My absolute favorite character. He's a trashfire of a cat and I love him.
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Post by Brindlefern on May 28, 2021 0:38:42 GMT -5
PROBLEMATIC FAVE (One of my many) like no end I love him, I think his redemption is perfectly fine as no he was NEVER fully forgiven by his clan which... is fine, tbh I never liked when redemptions just have everything perfectly hunky dory afterwards, imperfect but decent enough redemptions are also fine and his was believable enough for me, and I love that he's happy with Heathertail and has a more stable family life. Also Breezedad is a good dad.
Is he trash? Hell fricking yeah and I love him as a character for it.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on May 28, 2021 1:00:09 GMT -5
One of my least favorite characters and his redemption arc sucked.
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Post by crowspirit on May 28, 2021 1:57:48 GMT -5
I find him very entertaining and interesting. Omen of the Stars would be even worse without him. But his redemption arc was rushed, him attempting to kill Jayfeather and Poppyfrost was never even mentioned and apart from a few select cats, everyone just seemed to forgive him. I'm glad that he seems to be a better cat now and his relationship with Heathertail is cute, but he isn't really the same Breezepelt from the fourth series anymore.
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on May 28, 2021 4:15:51 GMT -5
breezepelt is just huge wasted potential. if his entire character in OotS was written better, we would have seen his doubts, his reluctance, his fears. we'd get his villainy AND redemption arc all in one...a tragic antagonist.
he'd try and try to impress the dark forest cats, but he just can't do certain things. he's too stubborn to give up, but jayfeather is the first to notice he's scared and doesn't actually want to do the things he does...and that could have lead to such a beautiful redemption arc that lasted the entire span of OotS.
alas, they did him dirty. an off screen "redemption" and heathertail just magically forgives him enough to get with him and have his babies...it's a huge shame.
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Post by Snowfire on May 28, 2021 6:47:39 GMT -5
I was neutral about him before OOTS, but I like him and his teen angst edginess phase he went through with the DF. I liked his redemption arc if CT but I thought him as an actual villain couldโve been interesting to see, since DS seems to suggest this. Overall yeah heโs a pretty cool character to read about.
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Post by Rainsplash on May 28, 2021 8:22:08 GMT -5
His redemption sucked. Yes, he didn't get totally forgiven, but how the narrative totally told him in a different light? Oh, Breezepelt didn't know the Dark Forest was evil! Yes, he did, but CT makes Breezepelt a cute cuddly little kitty who was just misunderstood and neglected, oh, boo-hoo. I dislike his character is general, too.
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Post by petalleap on May 28, 2021 10:27:00 GMT -5
I personally like his character in my opinion. I don't support his actions but he's a well developed character. He can be relatable at some points and I do like him with Heathertail. I also like his relationship with his parents, Nightcloud and Crowfeather.
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Post by cygna on May 28, 2021 12:53:04 GMT -5
Was his redemption poorly done? Yes
But do I like him despite it? Kind of
I donโt know why but I always liked Breezepaw and hoped he would grow out of his bratty stage. He reminded me of his dad(who is a fave of mine) so there was nostalgia there.
Breezepelt in OoTS was just confusing. I thought it was quite stupid how he joined the DF because โdaddy issuesโ, it was a ridiculous overreaction on Breezepeltโs part that made no sense. His scene with Jayfeather & Poppyfrost was undeniably his worst moment, but he had no motivation other than he hates his dad and hates Jayfeather by extension. Iโm still really confused what the hell he had against Poppyfrost.
That aside his characterization in DS & CT was weird. In DS he was still a jerk who felt no remorse and in CT he was just... I donโt even know. He was way less mean in that book. I do agree with everyone else who said he wasnโt punished which yeah Onestar must have been in a good mood, but I wanted to see him learn a lesson as well. The only bad thing that even happened to him aside from loosing his mom for a bit was that some cats were mean which is underwhelming to say the least.
I still enjoy him as a character however, he always managed to capture my attention. I did despite his flaws appreciate how much he cared for his mother. His relationship with Crowfeather in CT was surprisingly well developed and enjoyable. He and Heathertail were also really cute in that book.
I do wish his character wasnโt so inconsistent and poorly motivated. I think he should have been givin a better reason for acting the way he does.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on May 28, 2021 15:41:29 GMT -5
Breezepelts redemption did kind of suck but I still stan this complete edgelord of a cat.
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on May 28, 2021 15:59:19 GMT -5
I personally think his redemption was done well. Especially if Warrior cat standards are anything to go by, it's better done than say for example cats like Hollyleaf. And honestly, I think CT is one of the better-written SE books, similar to HJ, and better than trashfires like SqH and ThS. I wish the series would do what they did with Breezepelt more often because I'm honestly tired of troubled youth characters in the books either being iced right after "redemptions" or shoved into the villain characterization completely. I'd rather have older characters reaching out to the youth and helping them find a better way in life, and encouraging them to change. Make them more morally gray, make them have struggles but figure out solutions, have them acknowledge their own faults but also not have everyone forgive them either. Etc...honestly Breezepelt's redemption was pretty realistic and well done tbh. And it's shame we don't have more examples of this, over just last-minute realizations to icing a character, because honestly, that feels like more wasted potential if anything. I'm looking at you Hollyleaf, Needletail and Juniperclaw. So yeah, I'm glad Breezepelt eventually found his way as a character, and it's made him very enjoyable to read about. The scene he had with Daisy in her novella made me appreciate just how much he's changed, and how much I like his family.
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