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Post by Mothdapple on May 26, 2021 22:53:24 GMT -5
Why did Mapleshade not use the twoleg bridge to cross the river when trying to get to RiverClan?
This was after the kits drowned, not long before she encounters Nettlepaw:
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 23:06:50 GMT -5
Maybe she was panicked/stressed and wasn't thinking clearly.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 26, 2021 23:21:30 GMT -5
Maybe she was panicked/stressed and wasn't thinking clearly. That’s what I think. It’s a shame, even if the bridge was also flooded, it would’ve been a better option that the slippery rocks. She was probably in so much distress after her exile that she wasn’t thinking clearly and just wanted to get across despite the higher risk.
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Post by suicunetobigaara on May 27, 2021 4:10:54 GMT -5
A mixture of panic and stress, plus going to the two leg bridge might have taken longer. She was worried about getting attacked by her former clanmates. She might have thought the risk of the stones was less than taking time to take 3 kits to a Twoleg bridge, one with the potential risk of Twolegs or Monsters.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on May 27, 2021 4:33:54 GMT -5
Because she's unintelligent
All jokes aside, it's probably because of what the others said.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 27, 2021 9:37:25 GMT -5
I imagine that would involve braving cars and probably take even longer, when time was a luxury she could not afford.
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Post by Aqua on May 27, 2021 9:40:36 GMT -5
Maybe she was panicked/stressed and wasn't thinking clearly. That's exactly what happened, especially since the same cat doesn't think twice about her actions. She snapped at one of her kits who knew it wasn't safe to cross, and forced them to do it. Granted I guess it's not entirely her fault for being in the stress she was in, but she should have been more careful. Even her own KITS knew they weren't going to make it.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 27, 2021 9:41:16 GMT -5
I imagine that would involve braving cars and probably take even longer, when time was a luxury she could not afford. I don’t think it’s a bridge for cars. I think it was for people to walk across. If it was for cars, I don’t think it would be wooden.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 27, 2021 10:05:57 GMT -5
I imagine that would involve braving cars and probably take even longer, when time was a luxury she could not afford. I don’t think it’s a bridge for cars. I think it was for people to walk across. If it was for cars, I don’t think it would be wooden. It's not exactly rare to have a wooden bridge made for cars. Heck, I found a website advertising wooden bridges SPECIFICALLY made for cars to go across. www.naturebridges.com/services/vehicular-timber-bridges/There are even wooden bridges which can support trains, let alone cars
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Post by Mothdapple on May 27, 2021 10:58:31 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s a bridge for cars. I think it was for people to walk across. If it was for cars, I don’t think it would be wooden. It's not exactly rare to have a wooden bridge made for cars. Heck, I found a website advertising wooden bridges SPECIFICALLY made for cars to go across. www.naturebridges.com/services/vehicular-timber-bridges/There are even wooden bridges which can support trains, let alone cars Still, Mapleshade walks across it just fine. She doesn’t seem worried about any monsters at all. Fireheart crosses it in the first arc. Heck, it’s even present in Dawn of the Clans. I highly doubt cars were being driven on it.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 27, 2021 11:13:33 GMT -5
I think that if there was a threat of monsters, it would’ve been labeled as a thunderpath.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 27, 2021 11:57:39 GMT -5
Maybe she was panicked/stressed and wasn't thinking clearly. That's exactly what happened, especially since the same cat doesn't think twice about her actions. She snapped at one of her kits who knew it wasn't safe to cross, and forced them to do it. Granted I guess it's not entirely her fault for being in the stress she was in, but she should have been more careful. Even her own KITS knew they weren't going to make it. It's not that they knew they weren't going to make it, it's more like they're young kits, upset that their clan were treating them like garbage, and now they're in the middle of a storm, with their stressed out mother. They were crying and complaining about everything, including the river, which is expected, they're kits. Honestly though, they would have most likely made it, if not for the sudden wave of water that came and washed them away. If they had crossed sooner, they could have made it to the other side, so it's very unfortunate timing. But if they had been late, they would have been trapped on TC side of the river, still putting them in danger from their ex-clanmates shredding them. Neither the mother or the kits should have been in such a situation in the first place tbh.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 27, 2021 12:25:59 GMT -5
Still, Mapleshade walks across it just fine. She doesn’t seem worried about any monsters at all. Fireheart crosses it in the first arc. Heck, it’s even present in Dawn of the Clans. I highly doubt cars were being driven on it. They also had the possibility of dealing with predators, twolegs, and just hypothermia in general. If the kits were struggling just to take the quickest route to RiverClan, going around through the bridge area would have been even harder. Also which scene is the Firestar one you mentioned?
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Post by Mothdapple on May 27, 2021 12:44:36 GMT -5
Still, Mapleshade walks across it just fine. She doesn’t seem worried about any monsters at all. Fireheart crosses it in the first arc. Heck, it’s even present in Dawn of the Clans. I highly doubt cars were being driven on it. They also had the possibility of dealing with predators, twolegs, and just hypothermia in general. If the kits were struggling just to take the quickest route to RiverClan, going around through the bridge area would have been even harder. Also which scene is the Firestar one you mentioned? Both were quite risky, but the twoleg bridge wasn’t too far away from the rocks. It would’ve probably taken a tiny bit longer to get there, but it would’ve been more likely that the kits would’ve survived unless the bridge was flooded over too. And even then it wouldn’t be as slippery as the rocks. I found the scene. Actually, Tigerstar is the one who crosses it, but Firestar spots him. It’s the chapter with Bluestar’s death scene in A Dangerous Path. Chapter 27. Graypool also crosses it earlier in the book.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 27, 2021 14:54:26 GMT -5
They also had the possibility of dealing with predators, twolegs, and just hypothermia in general. If the kits were struggling just to take the quickest route to RiverClan, going around through the bridge area would have been even harder. Also which scene is the Firestar one you mentioned? Both were quite risky, but the twoleg bridge wasn’t too far away from the rocks. It would’ve probably taken a tiny bit longer to get there, but it would’ve been more likely that the kits would’ve survived unless the bridge was flooded over too. And even then it wouldn’t be as slippery as the rocks. I found the scene. Actually, Tigerstar is the one who crosses it, but Firestar spots him. It’s the chapter with Bluestar’s death scene in A Dangerous Path. Chapter 27. Graypool also crosses it earlier in the book. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the bridge Graypool uses is probably the stone one on the way to fourtrees, which is on RiverClan's side of the river, not TC last I checked. In order for Mapleshade to get to RC using bridges, she'd have to cross two, if she went north of the camp, the first being part of a thunderpath. And one if she went south, and having no choice but to travel through Twoleg territory. Either way it would be a much longer process than just cutting through with stepping stones, which alone getting to was already hard for her and her kits. Where exactly is stepping stones located on the map used in Mapleshade's novella, because it's a more up to date and accurate map. Genuinely asking.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 27, 2021 15:01:59 GMT -5
Both were quite risky, but the twoleg bridge wasn’t too far away from the rocks. It would’ve probably taken a tiny bit longer to get there, but it would’ve been more likely that the kits would’ve survived unless the bridge was flooded over too. And even then it wouldn’t be as slippery as the rocks. I found the scene. Actually, Tigerstar is the one who crosses it, but Firestar spots him. It’s the chapter with Bluestar’s death scene in A Dangerous Path. Chapter 27. Graypool also crosses it earlier in the book. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the bridge Graypool uses is probably the stone one on the way to fourtrees, which is on RiverClan's side of the river, not TC last I checked. In order for Mapleshade to get to RC using bridges, she'd have to cross two, if she went north of the came, and one if she went south, into Twoleg territory. Either way it would be a much longer process than just cutting through with stepping stones, which alone getting to was already hard for her and her kits. Where exactly is stepping stones located on the map used in Mapleshade's novella, because it's a more up to date and accurate map. Genuinely asking. Yeah, the one Graypool used likely wasn’t the same bridge that’s on River Chell. Like I said, it would be a bit longer process to get to and cross the bridge, but it would’ve been much safer than the stepping stones. The bridge Mapleshade uses connects RiverClan and ThunderClan territory, as she uses it to get from RiverClan territory to ThunderClan territory, where she encounters Nettlepaw. I do not see the stepping stones on the map. Obviously, the maps don’t show every detail. I also hate the quote the wiki but...
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 27, 2021 15:20:58 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the bridge Graypool uses is probably the stone one on the way to fourtrees, which is on RiverClan's side of the river, not TC last I checked. In order for Mapleshade to get to RC using bridges, she'd have to cross two, if she went north of the came, and one if she went south, into Twoleg territory. Either way it would be a much longer process than just cutting through with stepping stones, which alone getting to was already hard for her and her kits. Where exactly is stepping stones located on the map used in Mapleshade's novella, because it's a more up to date and accurate map. Genuinely asking. Yeah, the one Graypool used likely wasn’t the same bridge that’s on River Chell. Like I said, it would be a bit longer process to get to and cross the bridge, but it would’ve been much safer than the stepping stones. The bridge Mapleshade uses connects RiverClan and ThunderClan territory, as she uses it to get from RiverClan territory to ThunderClan territory, where she encounters Nettlepaw. I do not see the stepping stones on the map. Obviously, the maps don’t show every detail. I also hate the quote the wiki but... Considering stepping stones is the easiest access between TC and RC, and it's also how Gray and Silver met in secret so often, it makes sense that cats would most likely prefer using it. On the other hand, one would have to go out of their way to use the bridge, going all the way around, cutting through Twoleg territory. Not to mention Sasha uses the stepping stones over the bridge as well, with her kits in tow. Without a specific place of where exactly stepping stones are we can't exactly see how far or close Mapleshade was to the bridges and the routes she used. We just know that going from TC camp to RC camp via only bridges would mean going around and a much longer trip.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 27, 2021 16:11:05 GMT -5
Yeah, the one Graypool used likely wasn’t the same bridge that’s on River Chell. Like I said, it would be a bit longer process to get to and cross the bridge, but it would’ve been much safer than the stepping stones. The bridge Mapleshade uses connects RiverClan and ThunderClan territory, as she uses it to get from RiverClan territory to ThunderClan territory, where she encounters Nettlepaw. I do not see the stepping stones on the map. Obviously, the maps don’t show every detail. I also hate the quote the wiki but... Considering stepping stones is the easiest access between TC and RC, and it's also how Gray and Silver met in secret so often, it makes sense that cats would most likely prefer using it. On the other hand, one would have to go out of their way to use the bridge, going all the way around, cutting through Twoleg territory. Not to mention Sasha uses the stepping stones over the bridge as well, with her kits in tow. Without a specific place of where exactly stepping stones are we can't exactly see how far or close Mapleshade was to the bridges and the routes she used. We just know that going from TC camp to RC camp via only bridges would mean going around and a much longer trip. I really don’t think it is the same bridge that you have marked. It is clearly a bridge for a thunderpath, and this bridge I’m talking about is never specified as a thunderpath. So, it is likely much safer. Yes it would be a slightly longer trek to the bridge and she likely just took the stones because she was angry and likely wanted to get to RiverClan as soon as possible especially in the storm. However, the bridge likely would have been a safer option. The kits would have to walk a bit longer, but with the storm and flooding river, the stepping stones were a huge risk. She made the choice to take the risk. The stepping stones were quicker, but riskier. The bridge would’ve taken longer but likely would’ve been safer. In the book, Mapleshade uses the bridge later on to cross from RiverClan territory to ThunderClan’s. She could’ve done it the other way around with her kits. Yes there could be other risks with a slightly longer trek, but there’s also the huge risk with crossing the stepping stones. And she took that risk with the idea of a shorter trek. I think there would’ve been a higher chance of drowning while crossing the river than maybe being attacked by a predator or struck by lightning if Mapleshade decided to take her kits across the bridge. The map likely isn’t 100% accurate. Check page 63. The stones are probably more popular because it’s quickest, not because it’s the safest. And besides, during those times with Sasha and GraySilver, there wasn’t a severe storm.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 27, 2021 16:46:20 GMT -5
Considering stepping stones is the easiest access between TC and RC, and it's also how Gray and Silver met in secret so often, it makes sense that cats would most likely prefer using it. On the other hand, one would have to go out of their way to use the bridge, going all the way around, cutting through Twoleg territory. Not to mention Sasha uses the stepping stones over the bridge as well, with her kits in tow. Without a specific place of where exactly stepping stones are we can't exactly see how far or close Mapleshade was to the bridges and the routes she used. We just know that going from TC camp to RC camp via only bridges would mean going around and a much longer trip. I really don’t think it is the same bridge that you have marked. It is clearly a bridge for a thunderpath, and this bridge I’m talking about is never specified as a thunderpath. So, it is likely much safer. Yes it would be a slightly longer trek to the bridge and she likely just took the stones because she was angry and likely wanted to get to RiverClan as soon as possible especially in the storm. However, the bridge likely would have been a safer option. The kits would have to walk a bit longer, but with the storm and flooding river, the stepping stones were a huge risk. She made the choice to take the risk. The stepping stones were quicker, but riskier. The bridge would’ve taken longer but likely would’ve been safer. In the book, Mapleshade uses the bridge later on to cross from RiverClan territory to ThunderClan’s. She could’ve done it the other way around with her kits. Yes there could be other risks with a slightly longer trek, but there’s also the huge risk with crossing the stepping stones. And she took that risk with the idea of a shorter trek. I think there would’ve been a higher chance of drowning while crossing the river than maybe being attacked by a predator or struck by lightning if Mapleshade decided to take her kits across the bridge. The map likely isn’t 100% accurate. Check page 63. The stones are probably more popular because it’s quickest, not because it’s the safest. And besides, during those times with Sasha and GraySilver, there wasn’t a severe storm. When Mapleshade uses the bridge, it's not with her kits, she didn't have the luxury to risk taking her kits on a much longer treck than she did without them. But as I pointed out on the map, again, in order for Mapleshade to take the bridges, she either went north and took a thunderpath bridge, or south and take the twoleg area bridge, either way she'd have to go around. And for kits that isn't safe. That is my point. They're cats, not humans, treks like this are much harder and longer to deal with. Even more so for kits, and in a storm no less.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 27, 2021 16:53:31 GMT -5
I really don’t think it is the same bridge that you have marked. It is clearly a bridge for a thunderpath, and this bridge I’m talking about is never specified as a thunderpath. So, it is likely much safer. Yes it would be a slightly longer trek to the bridge and she likely just took the stones because she was angry and likely wanted to get to RiverClan as soon as possible especially in the storm. However, the bridge likely would have been a safer option. The kits would have to walk a bit longer, but with the storm and flooding river, the stepping stones were a huge risk. She made the choice to take the risk. The stepping stones were quicker, but riskier. The bridge would’ve taken longer but likely would’ve been safer. In the book, Mapleshade uses the bridge later on to cross from RiverClan territory to ThunderClan’s. She could’ve done it the other way around with her kits. Yes there could be other risks with a slightly longer trek, but there’s also the huge risk with crossing the stepping stones. And she took that risk with the idea of a shorter trek. I think there would’ve been a higher chance of drowning while crossing the river than maybe being attacked by a predator or struck by lightning if Mapleshade decided to take her kits across the bridge. The map likely isn’t 100% accurate. Check page 63. The stones are probably more popular because it’s quickest, not because it’s the safest. And besides, during those times with Sasha and GraySilver, there wasn’t a severe storm. When Mapleshade uses the bridge, it's not with her kits, she didn't have the luxury to risk taking her kits on a much longer treck than she did without them. But as I pointed out on the map, again, in order for Mapleshade to take the bridges, she either went north and took a thunderpath bridge, or south and take the twoleg area bridge, either way she'd have to go around. And for kits that isn't safe. That is my point. They're cats, not humans, treks like this are much harder and longer to deal with. Even more so for kits, and in a storm no less. It’s not even made to seem that much longer on page 63. She crosses from RiverClan to ThunderClan quite easily. As I mentioned, the map could not be completely accurate. There could even be a bridge there that isn’t even shown on the map. It says that once she crosses the bridge, she just has to walk a little bit downsteam and then she’s in ThunderClan territory. Yes it would be a very hard trek for 2 moon old kits, but the trek would be difficult either way. Taking a slightly longer walk was probably safer than crossing a flooded river on slippery stones with a risk of a dangerous wave. The stepping stones were more convenient for Mapleshade, but the bridge likely would’ve been much safer and the kits might’ve lived if she took that route instead. Not guaranteed to survive, but it’s much more likely for them to. Mapleshade was blinded by anger and was in a rush to get to RiverClan, so she took the quicker, less safe option, and that costed the lives of her kits and almost her own.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on May 27, 2021 17:08:26 GMT -5
Like others have said, Mapleshade probably didn't take the bridge because she wasn't thinking clearly, the river was the first place that came to her mind to escape, the river was the shortest way, she had hostile Clanmates going after her, and the safest, quickest place she could think of was the river. When you're panicking, fleeing, and being followed, you're going to go to the first safest place you think of so it's excusable on Mapleshade's part.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 27, 2021 17:11:19 GMT -5
When Mapleshade uses the bridge, it's not with her kits, she didn't have the luxury to risk taking her kits on a much longer treck than she did without them. But as I pointed out on the map, again, in order for Mapleshade to take the bridges, she either went north and took a thunderpath bridge, or south and take the twoleg area bridge, either way she'd have to go around. And for kits that isn't safe. That is my point. They're cats, not humans, treks like this are much harder and longer to deal with. Even more so for kits, and in a storm no less. It’s not even made to seem that much longer on page 63. She crosses from RiverClan to ThunderClan quite easily. As I mentioned, the map could not be completely accurate. There could even be a bridge there that isn’t even shown on the map. It says that once she crosses the bridge, she just has to walk a little bit downsteam and then she’s in ThunderClan territory. Yes it would be a very hard trek for 2 moon old kits, but the trek would be difficult either way. Taking a slightly longer walk was probably safer than crossing a flooded river on slippery stones with a risk of a dangerous wave. The stepping stones were more convenient for Mapleshade, but the bridge likely would’ve been much safer and the kits might’ve lived if she took that route instead. Not guaranteed to survive, but it’s much more likely for them to. Mapleshade was blinded by anger and was in a rush to get to RiverClan, so she took the quicker, less safe option, and that costed the lives of her kits and almost her own. You're right, there is a bridge there that's not even shown, but it's on the old map version, not the newer one. The one that I used is the newer one from Mapleshade's novella, and the bridge that shows on her map, but not on the normal ones, is the two-leg area map. It's easier for Mapleshade to cross around as she pleases later because she's a loner at that point, with no kits, and not exactly anything else to lose. It's also all in the span of 10 chapters in general, so normally that type of distance, for example in the regular books, is seen as longer. In Daisy's novella, getting kits from the two-leg farm and back to TC was hard enough, and they couldn't risk taking them to SkyClan and they're literally neighbors. Her being angry doesn't change that she wasn't trying to get her kits to safety, and safety for them wasn't in TC's territory, but RC. She took the fastest route she could in the middle of a storm and on her own. The twoleg place isn't safe, and neither was her other option, the thunderpath bridge, so she logically took the best route she could at the time, the stepping stones. Which stated in the novella, despite the river being flooded, the tops of the stone were still visible. And as I said in another reply, he kits would have most likely made it across, because crossing the stones wasn't what drowned the kits, it was the unpredictable wave that came and carried all four of them off. If she had been just slightly earlier, she would have been fine. She took the best option she could at the time, which was the fastest one, but despite that they were all bad options in general.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 27, 2021 17:20:08 GMT -5
It’s not even made to seem that much longer on page 63. She crosses from RiverClan to ThunderClan quite easily. As I mentioned, the map could not be completely accurate. There could even be a bridge there that isn’t even shown on the map. It says that once she crosses the bridge, she just has to walk a little bit downsteam and then she’s in ThunderClan territory. Yes it would be a very hard trek for 2 moon old kits, but the trek would be difficult either way. Taking a slightly longer walk was probably safer than crossing a flooded river on slippery stones with a risk of a dangerous wave. The stepping stones were more convenient for Mapleshade, but the bridge likely would’ve been much safer and the kits might’ve lived if she took that route instead. Not guaranteed to survive, but it’s much more likely for them to. Mapleshade was blinded by anger and was in a rush to get to RiverClan, so she took the quicker, less safe option, and that costed the lives of her kits and almost her own. You're right, there is a bridge there that's not even shown, but it's on the old map version, not the newer one. The one that I used is the newer one from Mapleshade's novella, and the bridge that shows on her map, but not on the normal ones, is the two-leg area map. It's easier for Mapleshade to cross around as she pleases later because she's a loner at that point, with no kits, and not exactly anything else to lose. It's also all in the span of 10 chapters in general, so normally that type of distance, for example in the regular books, is seen as longer. In Daisy's novella, getting kits from the two-leg farm and back to TC was hard enough, and they couldn't risk taking them to SkyClan and they're literally neighbors. Her being angry doesn't change that she wasn't trying to get her kits to safety, and safety for them wasn't in TC's territory, but RC. She took the fastest route she could in the middle of a storm and on her own. The twoleg place isn't safe, and neither was her other option, the thunderpath bridge, so she logically took the best route she could at the time, the stepping stones. Which stated in the novella, despite the river being flooded, the tops of the stone were still visible. And as I said in another reply, he kits would have most likely made it across, because crossing the stones wasn't what drowned the kits, it was the unpredictable wave that came and carried all four of them off. If she had been just slightly earlier, she would have been fine. Yeah, absolutely. She was in a rush and took the quickest and easiest route, though it probably wasn’t the safest overall. I am not saying she didn’t care about the safety of her kits, cause she definitely did, but I wish she could’ve at least considered taking that bridge due to the flooding risk. The writer must’ve considered the old map instead of the newer one when writing in that case then cause her trek between the two territories seems pretty short and easy. I just personally think taking that bridge would be safer, but it would’ve taken a bit more time, which might have been worth the time for the kits’ safety. Mapleshade was rushed and in distress, so she wasn’t thinking that clearly.
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