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Post by Seven on May 25, 2021 19:40:08 GMT -5
What's your opinion on her? Would it change had she not made the medicine cat code? Personally, I've always liked her, ever since her first appearance in SOTC. Her book is one of my favourite SEs and I loved her and Micah's relationship. It kind of hurts that the only canon ADHD representation in the books made a rule that everyone dislikes. Also I absolutely hate what they did to her in Squirrelflight's hope. ... That whole book just annoys me
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 25, 2021 20:58:15 GMT -5
moth flight is a trash character. i hate her.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 21:59:41 GMT -5
Hate her for ruining Acorn Fur's happiness.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 25, 2021 22:12:05 GMT -5
Hate her
That whole scene in SqH was trash
YoU bROkE mY RUlE
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 25, 2021 22:12:36 GMT -5
Neutral, same with her SE. I do however feel like people are being a bit too harsh on her. Moth Flight was basically a teen mom when she had her kits, and when she did leave them with someone, they always wanted to be with her. The entire reason Spider Paw nearly drowned was because Slate wasn't watching them and he and his littermates were trying to find her. She's a medicine cat, the first one, and—ideally—was supposed to know what to do. Instead, she panicked until Micah comforted her. She feels less confident in her abilities as both a medicine cat and mother and feels like it's for the best if her kits were raised by someone else. As for separating them, recall that this happens: Her own mate's words also contributed to her decision. And there's never any indication that she's lying, either, otherwise it would've been mentioned in either her thoughts or the narration itself. Throughout the story, we also actually see her get briefly distracted by her kits on occasion, in part because of her ADD. And clearly she made the rule because she was worried of others going through the same thing she did—that's how most rules get made, by experience. Maybe hers was an isolated case, but she clearly wasn't willing to take that risk. I also feel like it's worth mentioning that final chapter is mostly just StarClan supporting her suggestion. As for her saying this: Well, first of all, Leafpool did break her rule, let's just not gloss over that. And again, she had StarClan's blessing when she made it—StarClan, who are supposed to be seen as wise and all-knowing. She was harsh on Leafpool, certainly, but I'm also not surprised, and it's entirely possible she developed a bit of an ego because of it. Of course Leafpool and Yellowfang were able to handle it, but then again, they also had to hide for a good portion of their kits' lives; Yellowfang didn't even confess to anyone that she was Brokenstar's mother until he was blinded and captured. But what if they hadn't? Or better yet, what if Moth Flight hadn't had ADD or what if some other medicine cat became the first one to have kits? Obviously we'll never know, but it's still interesting to think about nonetheless. Also, I think we can all agree that the entire trial—while interesting—was still really stupid, and it seems pretty clear that Kate and the editors forgot that not only was it stated that the Three's births were predestined long before StarClan even came into being (unless I'm misinterpreting the part where Moth Flight says that StarClan chose te Three), but that Squirrelflight was also pressured into taking her sister's kits by her own ancestors. But this is Warriors, so what else is new?
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Post by Brindlefern on May 25, 2021 23:09:03 GMT -5
She's a good character imo and I LOVE MothMicah but that being a good character ONLY lasts until up to the final chapter in her SE, after that however her character falls straight into the dirt for me. Loved her in DoTC, loved her in MFV until the end chapter where I hated her (God that rule is so DUMB Moth Flight NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE YOUR ONE TIME PROBLEM GOD). DESPISED her GUTS in SqH and never want to see her again. I will agree that the one real ADHD rep you guys get turning this abhorrent sucks. Why do you think I don't feel confident in them depicting an autistic character decently without screwing them up either all the way through or last minute or something? Hell, Moth Flight shows a lot of traits as me and I'm not someone with ADHD, autism just has a lot of overlap with that in traits, and I was STILL pissed by how they handled her in the end of her SE. It made nooOOOO SENSE-
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Post by Snowfire on May 26, 2021 0:30:00 GMT -5
I liked her for before and during her SE, then her iconic characteristics just disappeared by the end of her SE when she made that gosh darn rule and pretty much after, so I’m neutral for her.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on May 26, 2021 5:50:33 GMT -5
I like her. I don't like how her character is written after her super edition, but honestly, a lot of characters are inconsistent in StarClan (such as people saying they would be neutral on Needletail if only she hadn't blamed Rowanstar in RoF or Yellowfang with her "His only fault was to love too much" quote).
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Post by cygna on May 26, 2021 10:20:12 GMT -5
I don’t like her. Micah was cooler but I didn’t care for him and Moth Flight as a couple. Her story was pretty gross given how young she was and she had a special snowflake complex going on. As much as I love Gorse Fur I would tell him to his face his daughter isn’t all that.
I hope Acorn Fur broke the code. I don’t even mind if she ends up regretting it and Moth Flight says “I told you so”.I just want her to break the code out of spite for Moth Flight.
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Post by Aqua on May 26, 2021 10:51:02 GMT -5
Hate her That whole scene in SqH was trash YoU bROkE mY RUlE she sounded like someone throwing a temper tantrum when she said that tbh just made her completely dislikable I feel bad for Leafpool, having to deal with that crap from her like bitch you broke it too and separated your own children you have no right to judge her
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on May 26, 2021 17:02:56 GMT -5
I honestly liked Moth Flight in the DotC arc/her SE until she created the Medicine Cat Code and basically made everyone else pay for her mistake. I'm aware that being a parent was hard especially with her being a single mother but it doesn't meant she should have decided to not let other healers have the chance at experiencing it themselves.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 26, 2021 19:26:18 GMT -5
Hate her That whole scene in SqH was trash YoU bROkE mY RUlE she sounded like someone throwing a temper tantrum when she said that tbh just made her completely dislikable I feel bad for Leafpool, having to deal with that crap from her like bitch you broke it too and separated your own children you have no right to judge her Especially since Leafpool HAD to have those kits because they were prophesized AND she has done SO much good for the clans. Shadowclan and Riverclan especially benefitted from her since she helped their medicine cats
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 26, 2021 19:29:46 GMT -5
I like her. I don't like how her character is written after her super edition, but honestly, a lot of characters are inconsistent in StarClan (such as people saying they would be neutral on Needletail if only she hadn't blamed Rowanstar in RoF or Yellowfang with her "His only fault was to love too much" quote). Needletail blaming Rowanstar is right in line with her character
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Post by Aqua on May 26, 2021 19:30:10 GMT -5
she sounded like someone throwing a temper tantrum when she said that tbh just made her completely dislikable I feel bad for Leafpool, having to deal with that crap from her like bitch you broke it too and separated your own children you have no right to judge her Especially since Leafpool HAD to have those kits because they were prophesized AND she has done SO much good for the clans. Shadowclan and Riverclan especially benefitted from her since she helped their medicine cats yeah, StarClan took a whole new level of shallowness the moment they threatened Leafpool's place in StarClan it was years ago, and she stayed committed to her clan since, and she clearly has matured a lot since then I know Leafpool did a bad thing, but at least she kept her freaking kits together instead of separating them. I don't remember the exact reason why Micah told Moth Flight to do it, I think it was so her blood could live on the other Clans or something??? Either way, it was weak, selfish, and cruel of Moth Flight to separate her kits like that and even make the code in the first place just because she couldn't handle kits. In fact, Leafpool herself has PROVEN that not all medicine cats will pick their kits over their Clanmates. She has self-control, and proven time and time again after she came back that she's willing to do anything she can do save ANYONE, which is why I don't really like the medicine cat rule. It should be taken off imo, especially if Moth Flight is gonna continue to throw a temper tantrum every time a meddie keeps breaking the code.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 26, 2021 19:37:14 GMT -5
Especially since Leafpool HAD to have those kits because they were prophesized AND she has done SO much good for the clans. Shadowclan and Riverclan especially benefitted from her since she helped their medicine cats yeah, StarClan took a whole new level of shallowness the moment they threatened Leafpool's place in StarClan it was years ago, and she stayed committed to her clan since, and she clearly has matured a lot since then I know Leafpool did a bad thing, but at least she kept her freaking kits together instead of separating them. I don't remember the exact reason why Micah told Moth Flight to do it, I think it was so her blood could live on the other Clans or something??? Either way, it was weak, selfish, and cruel of Moth Flight to separate her kits like that and even make the code in the first place just because she couldn't handle kits. In fact, Leafpool herself has PROVEN that not all medicine cats will pick their kits over their Clanmates. She has self-control, and proven time and time again after she came back that she's willing to do anything she can do save ANYONE, which is why I don't really like the medicine cat rule. It should be taken off imo, especially if Moth Flight is gonna continue to throw a temper tantrum every time a meddie keeps breaking the code. I'm not even anti-forbidden love. Especially since Crowfeather and Leafpool were just going to leave the clans for good, no drama there. And Spottedleaf was the only who told her to follow her heart (AND THEN GOT MAD AT HER FOR DOING SO.) Starclan literally knew Cinderpelt was going to die but they decided screwing around with Leafpool was the BEST IDEA EVER. On top of that, even if Medicine cats don't have kits or mates, it's not like they don't have people they're close to. Leafpool has been shown time and time again she'd do anything for Squirrelflight So even if they don't have kits, they still have cats they would naturally prioritize
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 26, 2021 20:24:43 GMT -5
Agree with 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 , I'm pretty much Neutral/Like. I think she's okay, and the hate she gets is kinda surprising.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 26, 2021 20:32:25 GMT -5
I was excited for ADHD representation just for her to be a “:/“ character...
She is honestly so disappointing.
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Post by Rainfire on May 26, 2021 21:21:59 GMT -5
I love her a lot in her SE, but the things that happen with her during the end of it and in SqH have left me with mixed feelings, so I'm just neutral/like on her.
Oh, and I really love MothMicah. I thought they were so sweet together.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on May 27, 2021 7:24:05 GMT -5
I like her. I don't like how her character is written after her super edition, but honestly, a lot of characters are inconsistent in StarClan (such as people saying they would be neutral on Needletail if only she hadn't blamed Rowanstar in RoF or Yellowfang with her "His only fault was to love too much" quote). Needletail blaming Rowanstar is right in line with her character I agree, but my point still stands: Characters only seem to get more unlikeable in StarClan. (Moth Flight in SqH, Yellowfang, Needletail in RoF, Spottedleaf, etc.) If these characters hadn't shown up in StarClan, they would be more liked.
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on May 27, 2021 7:38:39 GMT -5
When I first read her SE I thought it was pretty good. I found her really annoying towards the end of the book when she created that rule. In SqH she made me so mad. What was the point of her trying to get Leafpool banned from Starclan? Leafpool has always been loyal not only to her clan but to help others as well.
If I was a warrior cat I would become a Medicine Cat and break her rule out of spite.
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Post by Fireleap on May 27, 2021 15:01:44 GMT -5
I don't hate her, but I don't like her either. Her book is better than her character.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on May 27, 2021 17:22:19 GMT -5
I've always been pretty neutral/like towards Moth Flight because I liked her book and I could understand why she made the medicine cat rule, but the way she acted in SqH shot that down to neutral/dislike. That scene was horrible to read.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on May 27, 2021 21:56:57 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion, but I love her. I don’t like the reasoning behind the medicine cat rule, but I personally blame StarClan/the plot rather than Moth Flight as a character. As for the SqH scene, I really didn’t like that either, but I feel like she was OOC there and so I don’t really hold it against her to be honest.
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Post by crowspirit on May 28, 2021 2:07:32 GMT -5
I think she gets too much hate. She was barely a year old by the time her Super Edition ended and she really tried her best to care for both her kits and her medicine duties, but it didn't really work out since her clan mates were… not that helpful. Also, she actually believed she was helping the other medicine cats when she created the rule, even though it did way more harm in the end. Micah practically forced her to give up her kits so I don't really get why people blame her for that. What she did in Squirrelflightʼs Hope was scummy and made me like her less, but to be honest everyone was pretty terrible in this book except for Leafpool and Leafstar I guess. Liked her for the ADHD representation, since I also have it, even though it's not that bad for me as it's for many other people.
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Post by dreamingof on May 28, 2021 15:48:25 GMT -5
I never read her SE so I'm neutral on her. Her depiction in Squirrelflight's Hope was...not good.
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