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Post by halogen on May 24, 2021 10:10:43 GMT -5
Let's say Firestar was put in Mudclaw's position. Hypothetically, he was named deputy before Tigerclaw was, but then Bluestar dies and the only witnesses are Tigerclaw, ShadowClan's leader (whoever that is at the time) and a ShadowClan warrior, and they say Bluestar switched the deputy to Tigerclaw. Fireheart of course would think this is suspicious, but the Clan doesn't want to believe Tigerclaw is a liar so they support the switch to Tigerclaw as leader. What do you think Firestar would do in this situation?
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Post by vectoring34 on May 24, 2021 10:31:32 GMT -5
Fireheart would probably just sit there and take it. Honestly he always tried to see the best in cats, even in Tigerclaw. Let's bear in mind that even after he saw him trying to murder Bluestar, he held out a tiny bit of hope that maybe becoming leader of Shadowclan would change him for the better or at least temper the worst of his excesses. He'd still try and snoop for suspicious activity, as he does though, but probably not much else. If Tigerstar started any unjust wars, I imagine he'd only then truly act and would rush to the other clan to tell them about how his new leader is absolutely mental to try to prepare them. But until then, I'd imagine he'd follow orders, just very warily.
Part of the problem with this comparison too is that Fireheart already knows Tigerclaw is a murderer and a liar for sure as well as one who conspires with cats from other clans, so he'd have a lot more justified reasons to be wary rather than just shooting in the dark
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Post by halogen on May 24, 2021 10:37:49 GMT -5
Fireheart would probably just sit there and take it. Honestly he always tried to see the best in cats, even in Tigerclaw. Let's bear in mind that even after he saw him trying to murder Bluestar, he held out a tiny bit of hope that maybe becoming leader of Shadowclan would change him for the better or at least temper the worst of his excesses. He'd still try and snoop for suspicious activity, as he does though, but probably not much else. If Tigerstar started any unjust wars, I imagine he'd only then truly act and would rush to the other clan to tell them about how his new leader is absolutely mental to try to prepare them. But until then, I'd imagine he'd follow orders, just very warily. Part of the problem with this comparison too is that Fireheart already knows Tigerclaw is a murderer and a liar for sure as well as one who conspires with cats from other clans, so he'd have a lot more justified reasons to be wary rather than just shooting in the dark Fair on your second point, maybe let's say that Ravenpaw never saw Tigerclaw killing Redtail in this theoretical situation, and as far as Firestar knew he was an honorable cat.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 24, 2021 10:46:30 GMT -5
Fireheart would probably just sit there and take it. Honestly he always tried to see the best in cats, even in Tigerclaw. Let's bear in mind that even after he saw him trying to murder Bluestar, he held out a tiny bit of hope that maybe becoming leader of Shadowclan would change him for the better or at least temper the worst of his excesses. He'd still try and snoop for suspicious activity, as he does though, but probably not much else. If Tigerstar started any unjust wars, I imagine he'd only then truly act and would rush to the other clan to tell them about how his new leader is absolutely mental to try to prepare them. But until then, I'd imagine he'd follow orders, just very warily. Part of the problem with this comparison too is that Fireheart already knows Tigerclaw is a murderer and a liar for sure as well as one who conspires with cats from other clans, so he'd have a lot more justified reasons to be wary rather than just shooting in the dark Fair on your second point, maybe let's say that Ravenpaw never saw Tigerclaw killing Redtail in this theoretical situation, and as far as Firestar knew he was an honorable cat. I still think he'd follow him just fine. Fireheart would probably just go "wow, that's a little weird" and try to snoop but I really can't imagine him doing anything else. I mean, like I said before, even in the main canon when he knew for a fact Tigerclaw was an awful cat, he still wasn't proactive about going after him and only acted reactively in response to his schemes. So I don't imagine he'd do much of anything until something bad actually happened. In fact, considering his background as being outside of the clans, the turnover in leadership might not even strike him as strange at all. He may very well not even do any snooping if he has no reason to believe that Tigerclaw or company is dishonorable. Yes, Fireheart is incredibly reactive and not proactive, so I think he'd probably do nothing until Tigerclaw inevitably gets hungry for power and starts to take his attacks to the next level. When Tigerclaw does that, then we might see Fireheart be rebellious, but until then, he's way too chill to do anything about a Tigerclaw who he knows nothing bad about. If anything, I think what would affect Fireheart the most is just feeling like he must have disappointed Bluestar in some fashion and moping about that to his friends a bit. He'd seek more so comfort in not living up to her expectations
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on May 24, 2021 11:33:17 GMT -5
If Fireheart had ever been in Mudclaw's position he would have never tried to kill Bluestar and Tigerclaw like Mudclaw tried to do with Onewhisker and Ashfoot. Because, unlike that certain someone else, he's not a delusional mess. Fireheart's just a bit paranoid instead.
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Post by αΉ’anΙypawβ’ on May 24, 2021 17:10:27 GMT -5
I don't think that Fireheart would do anything about it and certainly not as extreme as staging a coup. His and Mudclaw's personalities are very different and I believe that Fireheart would be suspicious, but in the end accept the fact that Tigerstar is now leader.
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