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Post by Aqua on May 21, 2021 22:34:13 GMT -5
I almost never see any appreciation for Spottedleaf, so I want a positive thread about her. No negativity, please respect that!
I really don't think she's all that bad, to be honest.
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Post by cygna on May 21, 2021 22:58:22 GMT -5
I respect her despite her flaws, both times she died it was for someone else. She was clingy but she definitely did not groom Firestar. She was also pretty nice but written poorly, another victim of the narrative.
I definitely don’t see her as the worst thing ever
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 22, 2021 1:47:18 GMT -5
I think the only time I actually liked her character was when she sassed Tigerclaw and defended Ravenpaw. Or the fact that she died protecting kits...I feel like that gets glossed over a lot. I tolerated her in the first series, but in her novella, I absolutely didn't care for her.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 22, 2021 4:01:42 GMT -5
I liked her at the beginning of the series, i felt like she was your "sweet and caring but not afraid of putting you in your place" medicine cat.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on May 22, 2021 6:52:36 GMT -5
I've always like her design and her name.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on May 22, 2021 10:52:28 GMT -5
Spottedleaf was definitely written poorly and deserved a way better story than what she got in the end. Both her name and design have always been among my favorites in this whole series.
Also, she never groomed Firestar as their fixation on each other only started when she was already dead and he had become a warrior. So I still don't understand when some fans accuse her of this, she was creepy but not predatory.
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Post by Aqua on May 22, 2021 11:09:55 GMT -5
Spottedleaf was definitely written poorly and deserved a way better story than what she got in the end. Both her name and design have always been among my favorites in this whole series. Also, she never groomed Firestar as their fixation on each other only started when she was already dead and he had become a warrior. So I still don't understand when some fans accuse her of this, she was creepy but not predatory. She always had good intentions too, trying to guide Firestar and his kits. The only thing I'll critize Spottedleaf for was when she tried to help Leafpool, but I really don't understand why people think she's manipulative or terrible... I don't remember her ever being so bad like that. Creepy, but not bad.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 22, 2021 11:18:44 GMT -5
I like her design and name, but that's it.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 22, 2021 11:38:33 GMT -5
Spottedleaf was definitely written poorly and deserved a way better story than what she got in the end. Both her name and design have always been among my favorites in this whole series. Also, she never groomed Firestar as their fixation on each other only started when she was already dead and he had become a warrior. So I still don't understand when some fans accuse her of this, she was creepy but not predatory. She always had good intentions too, trying to guide Firestar and his kits. The only thing I'll critize Spottedleaf for was when she tried to help Leafpool, but I really don't understand why people think she's manipulative or terrible... I don't remember her ever being so bad like that. Creepy, but not bad. This is the scene: This is after Leafpool comes back: And this is when Leafpool consults StarClan regarding her pregnancy. Remember, StarClan knew that Cinderpelt was going to die soon. So for Spottedleaf to more or less encourage Leafpool (or at least do nothing to stop her besides just giving really vague advice) and then scold her, all while knowing that Leafpool would give birth to the Three, all of this just doesn't paint Spottedleaf in a very flattering light.
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Post by Aqua on May 22, 2021 11:42:36 GMT -5
She always had good intentions too, trying to guide Firestar and his kits. The only thing I'll critize Spottedleaf for was when she tried to help Leafpool, but I really don't understand why people think she's manipulative or terrible... I don't remember her ever being so bad like that. Creepy, but not bad. This is the scene: This is after Leafpool comes back: And this is when Leafpool consults StarClan regarding her pregnancy. Remember, StarClan knew that Cinderpelt was going to die soon. So for Spottedleaf to more or less encourage Leafpool (or at least do nothing to stop her besides just giving really vague advice) and then scold her, all while knowing that Leafpool would give birth to the Three, all of this just doesn't paint Spottedleaf in a very flattering light. Eh. I still don't think she's all that bad, but I can see why these scenes are pretty manipulative.
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Post by Featherstar on May 22, 2021 14:48:33 GMT -5
I think the only time I actually liked her character was when she sassed Tigerclaw and defended Ravenpaw. Or the fact that she died protecting kits...I feel like that gets glossed over a lot. I tolerated her in the first series, but in her novella, I absolutely didn't care for her. She was a sweet medicine cat. I loved that Spottedleaf and Cinderpelt both sassed Tigerclaw at one point or another.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 22, 2021 16:56:48 GMT -5
i firmly believe that the fandom's view of spottedleaf is 85% misinterpretation, or at the very least an inconclusive interpretation of her based on a few very specific scenes. that so many view her as a "sandstorm hater" or manipulative is frankly a shame.
she's not my favorite character or anything, but spottedleaf's story is a tragedy and she gets way too much hate for interpretations that aren't even strictly canon.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on May 22, 2021 17:06:32 GMT -5
I feel that Spottedleaf's character and story could have been okay if the Erins hadn't put the love triangle into it- the whole FireSandSpotted thing. Other than that, I enjoy how she was in Into the Wild.
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Post by Aqua on May 22, 2021 18:36:50 GMT -5
i firmly believe that the fandom's view of spottedleaf is 85% misinterpretation, or at the very least an inconclusive interpretation of her based on a few very specific scenes. that so many view her as a "sandstorm hater" or manipulative is frankly a shame. she's not my favorite character or anything, but spottedleaf's story is a tragedy and she gets way too much hate for interpretations that aren't even strictly canon. Some of her own actions are pretty inconsistent too, but people use those actions against her. Like the scene in LW.
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