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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on May 12, 2021 5:26:54 GMT -5
i was making an AU for something else, but it included not having cloudtail (it'd take too long to explain so i'll leave it at that lmao).
what do u think would happen to the series if cloudtail was never brought to thunderclan?
firestar never sees princess, and thus never meets with her and she never gives up her first born to him for his clan.
brightpaw and swiftpaw would still go after the dogs. swiftpaw would still die, but i think without cloudpaw/tail there, brightpaw might have become a medicine cat apprentice. by then, yellowfang died, and cinderpelt is the sole medicine cat. it's not a stretch to think cinderpelt would extend the same kindness and guidance that she received from yellowfang when she herself had been injured and in the medicine cat den for a while.
since canonically, brightheart helped with medicine cat duties before, her being a medicine cat in the AU where cloudtail doesnt exist makes sense to me.
it's hard to come up with what far in the future events would be changed. dovewing and ivypool would not exist (yay! lol sorry). and without dovewing, i think the three should have been squirrelflight, leafpool, and emberspark (the OC i made up who is fire and sand's son and leaf and squirrel's brother).
so this would involve changing brightheart's fate entirely. either swiftpaw survives, and he gets with brightheart, or he dies and brightheart becomes a medicine cat. fire x sand would need to have a third kit to make the three (the prophecy itself would change wording to be your kin and not kin of your kin).
if cloudtail isn't there in TNP, who do u think daisy would have latched onto for comfort and support instead? should it just be spiderleg to get the ball on spider x daisy rolling way earlier?
i cant think of anything else cloudtail has done other than get with brightheart, have whitewing, and then be the grandpa to protags dove and ivy, etc.
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Post by Mikaii on May 12, 2021 5:45:45 GMT -5
I seem to remember Cloudtail being the reason and motivation for Brightheart to push to survive when Bluestar named her Lostface, so it wouldnโt be too much of a stretch of the imagination for her to have died like Swiftpaw.
I think the main consequence of this (at least in the earlier arcs would be Jaypawโs mentor, so the third arc might have changed, whether very slightly or significantly.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on May 12, 2021 11:08:47 GMT -5
That would mean that neither Dovewing or Ivypool could be born as Cloudtail was their grandfather and probably important to the whole "Power of Three" prophecy, if only for that specific reason. So the Clans should really all be doomed in this specific AU/Canon Divergence Scenario. Unless StarClan somehow changed the third cat's identity...
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on May 12, 2021 11:16:01 GMT -5
That would mean that neither Dovewing or Ivypool could be born as Cloudtail was their grandfather and probably important to the whole "Power of Three" prophecy, if only for that specific reason. So the Clans should really all be doomed in this specific AU/Canon Divergence Scenario. Unless StarClan somehow changed the third cat's identity... The series actually makes pretty clear that the prophecy didn't come from StarClan and literally the only requirement is that the cat had to be related to Firestar. It didn't have to be Dovewing specifically, so it's far more likely that there would still be a Third in this AU, maybe even Hollyleaf this time, unless Cloudtail still has grandkits and the story turns into a quest arc to find them.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on May 12, 2021 11:27:15 GMT -5
That would mean that neither Dovewing or Ivypool could be born as Cloudtail was their grandfather and probably important to the whole "Power of Three" prophecy, if only for that specific reason. So the Clans should really all be doomed in this specific AU/Canon Divergence Scenario. Unless StarClan somehow changed the third cat's identity... The series actually makes pretty clear that the prophecy didn't come from StarClan and literally the only requirement is that the cat had to be related to Firestar. It didn't have to be Dovewing specifically, so it's far more likely that there would still be a Third in this AU, maybe even Hollyleaf this time, unless Cloudtail still has grandkits and the story turns into a quest arc to find them. But if The Acients are still involved in this and Dove's Wing also remains in that scenario alongside both Jay's Wing and Lion's Roar then her whole existence would be unimportant in the sense of prophecy fullfillment. Of course, the prophecy could be changed to have someone else be the third cat and Hollyleaf should have been the one anyways, at least in my opinion.
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on May 12, 2021 14:11:27 GMT -5
The series actually makes pretty clear that the prophecy didn't come from StarClan and literally the only requirement is that the cat had to be related to Firestar. It didn't have to be Dovewing specifically, so it's far more likely that there would still be a Third in this AU, maybe even Hollyleaf this time, unless Cloudtail still has grandkits and the story turns into a quest arc to find them. But if The Acients are still involved in this and Dove's Wing also remains in that scenario alongside both Jay's Wing and Lion's Roar then her whole existence would be unimportant in the sense of prophecy fullfillment. Of course, the prophecy could be changed to have someone else be the third cat and Hollyleaf should have been the one anyways, at least in my opinion. yeah technically leafpool would still have lion, holly, and jay if dove and ivy were never born, so they could be the three still. and the whole ancients reincarnation stuff was pretty dumb. simply get rid of dove's wing and replace her with some cat named holly's frost or something (ancient tribe names r weird lol)
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on May 12, 2021 15:13:54 GMT -5
But if The Acients are still involved in this and Dove's Wing also remains in that scenario alongside both Jay's Wing and Lion's Roar then her whole existence would be unimportant in the sense of prophecy fullfillment. Of course, the prophecy could be changed to have someone else be the third cat and Hollyleaf should have been the one anyways, at least in my opinion. yeah technically leafpool would still have lion, holly, and jay if dove and ivy were never born, so they could be the three still. and the whole ancients reincarnation stuff was pretty dumb. simply get rid of dove's wing and replace her with some cat named holly's frost or something (ancient tribe names r weird lol) Or not even include the Tribe/Ancients at all. I always thought that stuff was rather unnecessary and very boring so I'm glad that this part of the story has been reduced significantly in recent arcs. Hopefully it won't make a comeback any time soon.
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