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Post by Aqua on May 10, 2021 10:29:59 GMT -5
He just always felt so .... boring to me. Even when I was little, I never cared for him because he felt like a copy of Tigerstar.
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Post by Snowfire on May 10, 2021 10:42:14 GMT -5
I think he could've been written better in TNP since he did not do a whole lot, Hawkfrost in Mothwing's Secret however was actually done well.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 10, 2021 11:15:03 GMT -5
I think he's an interesting character, but he wasn't executed really well. I think he could have done a lot more harm.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on May 10, 2021 11:57:16 GMT -5
Hawkfrost could have been an interesting character/villain in the main series if he had been given more schemes to play a part in and actual development, not just as an antagonist. He only got some of that during Tigerstar and Sasha, A Shadow in RiverClan and will probably also get some of it in Winds of Change. He was really great at doing the "subtle evil/cunning manipulator" job in Mothwing's Secret though. Of course, it's now much too late for any new information on him in the modern Clan era as he has been double dead for a while but if he ever got his own Super Edition or at least a Novella, I'm so reading that.
Although, I did actually like Hawkfrost during the OotS arc but only because he was the most prominent DF cat in it.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on May 10, 2021 12:10:16 GMT -5
He relied too much on his dad to be evil. I liked him initially, his relationship with Mothwing, proving he was loyal to RiverClan despite not being Clan born, but then he just wanted to be a Tigerstar 2.
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Post by Moonblazer on May 10, 2021 14:33:50 GMT -5
Honestly Hawkfrost could have been an opportunity for either a strong redemption arc where he breaks away from his father’s influence, or him becoming an incredibly powerful and calculating villain who does manage to take over Riverclan. I would have liked either one.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 15:31:07 GMT -5
He's a terribly written character tbh. Had the personality of cardboard yet still managed to be annoying af
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Post by vectoring34 on May 10, 2021 16:18:43 GMT -5
The only interesting thing Hawkfrost ever did was be Ivypool's DF mentor, but even then he failed at that since beyond the initial seduction, he was barely involved with her. In anything besides that, he's always just the poor man's Tigerstar, the cheap knockoff of Tigerstar that you found in a garage sale.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on May 10, 2021 17:09:48 GMT -5
Meh. His relationship with Ivypool was when I first learned of him (or did he appear in PoT??) and I found him to be pretty interesting, but then quickly became boring as I realized he was just a knockoff Tigerstar. Pretty boring character in all.
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Post by foxstride on May 10, 2021 19:17:35 GMT -5
The best books with Hawkfrost in are the ones after his death - I loved him in TNP but all of his appearances after that have been really great. I think TNP took on maybe too much and just didn't know how to solve it all in the space they had left. Like Mudclaw's death symbolically is cool but what happened to all the cats supporting him? What happened to him afterwards? And based on how Onestar behaves in POT, they might as well have just killed Onewhisker off in the mountains and kept going with Mudstar because there's a massive personality transplant going on there (which I think is reasonable based on why Onestar behaves, but narratively it didn't go well, as evidenced by a lot of the fandom being confused by it).
Anyway, back to Hawkfrost - he was underutilised and has since been built up more like he should have in the first place. There were a lot of opportunities to do more with him and a redemption arc could have fit in really well, especially if we assume that most of his behaviour is driven by Tigerclaw's manipulation of him. I'm looking forward to seeing how he is in Winds of Change because that's the big plot we should have seen more to understand and appreciate Hawk and Mud more.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 11, 2021 20:37:10 GMT -5
He's too weak on his own. I would like something from his POV to give him more depth because he...pretty much is just 'my dad is evil hurr durr so i am too'
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Post by daurianwind on May 13, 2021 6:18:40 GMT -5
For me Hawhkfrost is interesting and appropriate character in his role of charismatic, charming, dangerous, insidious and manipulative, but quite incompetent, too self-confident and petty villain who is also manipulated by his father. Especially in contrast to very complex but good Brambleclaw and good Stormfur and Brook.
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Post by Smokyyy on May 13, 2021 17:30:13 GMT -5
I actually like him a lot. Maybe because I was super young when I read TNP, but I always liked him being evil for some odd reason. He could've been a bit more developed though
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Post by downfalls on May 17, 2021 9:28:52 GMT -5
Nope, absolutely not. He was always so boring to me, and he could have been a good character if he didn't start killing cats such as Firestar for Brambleclaw to become leader.
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Post by Lionstrike on May 17, 2021 17:11:05 GMT -5
I think he is an annoying side character. He does not have much opportunity to come in on the story correctly, and to me it felt a little rushed just to get him into a Senior Villan Spot, such as in the Dark Forest. He could have been a really interesting character with the right writing. I also agree with Tornadowarning, Twilight Sparkle, and Hopelight✨, ahe really was just a cheap knockoff of Tigerstar.
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Post by cygna on May 18, 2021 13:21:02 GMT -5
I think he could've been written better in TNP since he did not do a whole lot, Hawkfrost in Mothwing's Secret however was actually done well. I agree with this. I also felt Feathertail’s book gave him some more character as well. It shows Feathertail shunning him for a bit, someone he seriously seemed to respect and admire, Sasha’s & Tigerstar’s negative effects on him leading to an overly aggressive cat, and his clan most notably Leopardstar & Blackclaw enabling his bad behavior.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on May 18, 2021 16:20:58 GMT -5
*ahem* Hawkfrost is a loser.
Anyway. I think he was interesting in the first half of TNP, before they decided to suddenly make him a villain. But he made a pretty lame villain, with almost no development as a villain. Then in the dark forest he just kinda… existed.
He had a lot of potential. But ultimately he wasn’t given the development he deserved and it made him by far one of the weakest main villains in the entire series.
Mothwing’s Secret certainly redeemed him a bit as a villain, but not enough for me to change my opinion that he is, in fact, a loser.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on May 20, 2021 18:33:26 GMT -5
No, he wasn’t written that well, and was kind of an underwhelming villain. He was better in Mothwing’s Secret but that’s still not enough to make him a good villain to me.
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