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Post by Aqua on May 6, 2021 12:10:36 GMT -5
Do you think there's anything wrong with cats visiting clans? Like for example, Twigbranch wanting to see Violetshine or Dovewing seeing Ivypool because they're siblings, is there anything wrong with that, or should they only see each other during gatherings? It's not like they're taking prey or anything, just visiting their sibling.
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Post by Snowfire on May 6, 2021 12:29:59 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with cats visiting each other, I think they should change the code so they can be allowed to do this.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 6, 2021 12:36:02 GMT -5
Yeah, they should be allowed to. Borders shouldn't be so strict. But both Clans should be relaxed with eachother, no tension, and the cat should be monitored so there's no sharing of private information.
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Post by Aqua on May 6, 2021 13:07:19 GMT -5
Yeah, they should be allowed to. Borders shouldn't be so strict. But both Clans should be relaxed with eachother, no tension, and the cat should be monitored so there's no sharing of private information. It creates a lot of issues and stress for no reason. Like if Twigbranch or Dovewing wanna see their sister, I don't see anything wrong with it? Even Daisy questioned why everyone was acting up about it lol. They're not stealing prey or causing trouble, they just wanna see their sister and it's annoying how their Clanmates act like it's the worst crime you've ever done. 8| I'm not saying they should spend the night with their sister but there's really no harm done to see someone you love for five minutes. Kinda sad how Twigbranch and Dovewing are treated as doing something wrong for it just because they wanna see their sis.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 6, 2021 13:09:00 GMT -5
Yeah, they should be allowed to. Borders shouldn't be so strict. But both Clans should be relaxed with eachother, no tension, and the cat should be monitored so there's no sharing of private information. It creates a lot of issues and stress for no reason. Like if Twigbranch or Dovewing wanna see their sister, I don't see anything wrong with it? Even Daisy questioned why everyone was acting up about it lol. They're not stealing prey or causing trouble, they just wanna see their sister and it's annoying how their Clanmates act like it's the worst crime you've ever done. 8| I'm not saying they should spend the night with their sister but there's really no harm done to see someone you love for five minutes. Kinda sad how Twigbranch and Dovewing are treated as doing something wrong for it just because they wanna see their sis. I'm glad Daisy called them out, and rightfully so. There's no harm in visiting your sibling to see how they are once in a while.
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Post by *Faith* on May 6, 2021 15:02:05 GMT -5
I mean, they were apparently allowed to in the MFV manga. There was absolutely no reason for Bubbling Stream and Honey Pelt to even be in TC, but they still went to see their sister. Spider Paw ended up going there with Moth Flight. Black Ear was for some reason in RC.
I feel like siblings should still be allowed to visit each other in present day as well.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on May 6, 2021 15:15:04 GMT -5
Close family should definitely be allowed to visit their relatives in other Clans but only with permission from their respective Clan leaders. Some cats would probably still question those cat's loyalty even if it was officially permitted because the entire Clan culture has been very hostile to so called enemies for a very long time. Also, *Faith* I think that animosity between the five original forest Clans only started to spread and eventually manifest itself after all of the original leaders had already died.
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Post by Skypaw13 on May 6, 2021 16:03:07 GMT -5
I generally wish the Clans were a bit more dynamic with their rules. Like, keep all the rules, but let the enforcement of them wax and wane as the situation calls for it.
For example, if tensions are high between ThunderClan and WindClan, then no visiting is allowed-- in fact, territory crossing in general is seen as a threat. However, if ThunderClan and ShadowClan are on good terms, there's been very few skirmishes and the warriors are generally polite when they encounter other patrols, then visiting should be absolutely fine with permission from both leaders.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 6, 2021 16:04:13 GMT -5
I think it depends on the cats involved. Obviously Violetshine and Twigbranch had a very unusual origin story, and there's not really any harm in them being close.
However... I don't think its a good idea for cats from rival clans to be getting too comfortable with traipsing on each others' territories. Once in a blue moon is a pretty negligible threat level, especially if its for specific reasons, but multiple times a month "just because" seems too much.
Making casual visits between clans a normal occurrence could also cause problems in normalizing close cross-clan friendships. It's good to have friends in other clans, don't get me wrong, but there's a practicality in remembering (as the code says) that there's a good chance you'll have to fight them some day. Having lots of close friend or connections can make doing your duty as a warrior difficult. And making "friend visits" common only adds to that problem.
There's also a practicality issue insofar as it gives enemy cats a very good excuse to be on their territory for nefarious reasons.
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Post by Featherstar on May 6, 2021 17:03:56 GMT -5
I feel like the code of only having friendships with Other Clan cats should stay. It's a partly good Code.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on May 6, 2021 17:09:34 GMT -5
They should be able to visit, but not too often. As Ambrosef said, they'll have to fight each other one day so visits should be rare occurrences.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 6, 2021 17:24:45 GMT -5
my view on the code is strict, so i would say no. loyalty is what the clans were built off of, and if you visit "friends" or kin (having kin in other clans already implies betrayal, disloyalty, etc. in the first place), then your loyalty is still in jeopardy. cats can still meet during gatherings. sure, its only one night a month, but it's during a legit set up time where clans CAN meet and talk with cats from other clans and not have to sneak around or see them "whenever" they want.
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Post by wolfcry32 on May 6, 2021 17:28:52 GMT -5
They should be allowed to visit, but at the discretion of the leader of the clan they’re visiting. Or maybe they should bring a little something to add to the freshkill pile as a small gift.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 6, 2021 19:49:34 GMT -5
Pretty much what Saint Ambrosef, Twigbranch and Violetshine were an unusual exception, nothing like Dovewing and Ivypool. Also, the idea that Dovewing badmouths her birth clan but then expects to be able to visit with open arms is ridiculous imo. I don't think cats should be allowed visitations unless it's through unusual circumstances and with both the leaders consents. With cats outside the code, like Smoky, it's obviously different as well.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on May 6, 2021 20:09:16 GMT -5
I think they should be allowed to visit. It shouldn't happen often, though, since they have to keep in mind that they might face these cats in battle.
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Post by Vale on May 15, 2021 16:35:24 GMT -5
I think it's part of the code that made sense when it was created, as the clans were very aggressive towards each other back then and meeting outside of the gathering for any reason other than randomly seeing someone on the border was a sign that you could be disloyal. In the first series it was noted by the older warriors that while you could be friendly, all other warriors could be your enemy and to not get too close. Since then however, we have had the fight against Bloodclan, the journey to the lake, which temporarily and the Battle Against the Dark Forest, all of which temporarily united the clans against a greater issue. It's reasonable to say that these events led to positive relationships between clan lines and that while no clan truly sees eye to eye all the time over the few generations of these events Mentors' advice has probably gone from being "be very careful and stick to our clanmates for the most part. That's Swallowtail who killed Fernfoot in the border skirmish, stay away she's our enemy," to "That's Swallowtail and her apprentice over there, let's say hello but don't overshare on our clan's matters" so each generation has become gradually friendlier with each other as each event happened. Now the clans are always interacting and knowing each other has a benefit when you're working together. Clan conflicts seem far away when you're dealing with something that can destroy your way of living overall.
I think it should be allowed but handled in the same way as when a medicine cat wishes to discuss with another. You should have a reason to visit that is discussed with your leader so they know what is happening and wait at the border to be invited in by a patrol of the clan you wish to visit, they may also deny your request and turn you back. If it's just for general chatter you can wait until the Gathering as that is what it is for, but for specific announcements such as a death or birth as long as your leader is okay with it you may go to tell your sibling/parent/family. You say what you need to say, talk briefly, and must then leave. It's not like a sharing tounges situation. I think most cats wouldn't bother with it but there isn't any real way to do it that won't blur clan lines too much. I personally wouldn't mind the clans unifying but considering that was the OG big bad Tigerstar's plan I doubt they will do that no matter how friendly the clans get.
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