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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 4, 2021 22:11:26 GMT -5
if i could re-write hawkwing's SE, i'd make his mate firefern. not only would this fix the problem of hawkwing being mates with his direct first cousin, but it would also continue leafstar's line. pebbleshine is so bland and boring, and the fact she's hawkwing's first cousin is still harped upon by fans who notice that fact. pebbleshine could easily be replaced. the only issue is that firefern is older than hawkwing, so there'd be no set up for her and hawkwing until later in the book. maybe when they're on that special patrol together, they could develop some sort of relationship that could develop into a mature bond and later mateship.
even if firefern gets kidnapped just like pebbleshine does in canon, at least twig and violet would be leafstar's kin, and it'd give leafstar a bigger reason to take them in in the future. leafstar would have lost her entire family EXCEPT for harrybrook. having firefern's kits be there at the lake would mean a LOT to her.
i just strongly dislike pebbleshine and i hated reading her boring personality. plus, hawk x pebble's psuedo copy of fire x sand was annoying too. what i mean is, hawk didnt like pebble at first similar to how sand didnt like firestar at first...but in my opinion, fire x sand did the whole "fremenies to friends to lovers" trope better, and i think hawk x pebble was awful and boring to read because hawk's shift to hating her to liking her was so weird and rushed. not to mention pebbleshine ceases to have any sort of personality once becoming a warrior and then hawkwing's mate...the rest of hawkwing's SE is great except for all the lame pebbleshine parts.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on May 4, 2021 22:17:17 GMT -5
I definitely agree. As much as I love Hawkwing, I don’t care for HawkPebble. I prefer him with one of Leafstar’s daughters as well (if it’s Stormheart, it’d be in an AU where she survives Darktail’s attack at the gorge).
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 4, 2021 22:45:55 GMT -5
I'm fine with Pebbleshine and I really couldn't care less for how closely related she and Hawkwing are, but I do agree that she's pretty bland, even after she got an novella. She's said to be snooty, but the closest thing we get to this only ever happens in the first chapter of HJ and then the animosity is just completely one-sided on Hawkwing's part until he starts to fall in love with her. That said, I do still love the idea of Leafstar and Sharpclaw's kits getting together.
Also, if we follow the timeline and unless Cherrytail had another litter that just wasn't mentioned, Hawkwing and his littermates should've only been two or three moons younger than Leafstar's kits at most.
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Post by Fernsong on May 4, 2021 22:58:08 GMT -5
I'm fine with Pebbleshine and I really couldn't care less for how closely related she and Hawkwing are, but I do agree that she's pretty bland, even after she got an novella. She's said to be snooty, but the closest thing we get to this only ever happens in the first chapter of HJ and then the animosity is just completely one-sided on Hawkwing's part until he starts to fall in love with her. That said, I do still love the idea of Leafstar and Sharpclaw's kits getting together. Also, if we follow the timeline and unless Cherrytail had another litter than just wasn't mentioned, Hawkwing and his littermates should've only been two or three moons younger than Leafstar's kits at most. I had personally thought of Mistfeather perhaps being the sole kit, or maybe sole surviving kit of Cherrytail and Sharpclaw's first litter
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Post by Rainsplash on May 5, 2021 1:32:14 GMT -5
Ooh I love Firefern because of her so cool name
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 5, 2021 1:42:26 GMT -5
Rainsplashi do too! i love firefern a lot just because of her name lol her and stormheart are the best of the litter (not sorry for harrybrook. i dont like him also bc of his just his name)
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on May 5, 2021 6:29:31 GMT -5
Tbh I liked him a lot with Plumwillow. Though I understand why they didn't work out, since Sandynose came back.
I guess alternate mate-wise, any younger female could work. Though I like the idea of Stormheart or Firefern. Still salty that they were killed off
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 5, 2021 11:48:31 GMT -5
100% agree with you on that ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ . Pebbleshine was a boring character and her close relation(ship) to Hawkwing could have been entirely avoided by the authors/editors with only one swift glance at their already shared family tree. Hawkwing x Firefern/Stormheart not only sounds awesome but it would've also given either of Harrybrook's sisters a chance at some more spotlight. Them and their brother are so cute during SkyClan and the Stranger and both of their deaths in Hawkwing's Journey were infuriating for me due to the majorly wasted potential.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 5, 2021 14:16:06 GMT -5
100% agree with you on that ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ . Pebbleshine was a boring character and her close relation(ship) to Hawkwing could have been entirely avoided by the authors/editors with only one swift glance at their already shared family tree. Hawkwing x Firefern/Stormheart not only sounds awesome but it would've also given either of Harrybrook's sisters a chance at some more spotlight. Them and their brother are so cute during SkyClan and the Stranger and both of their deaths in Hawkwing's Journey were infuriating for me due to the majorly wasted potential. i wish firefern and stormheart got more scenes. i also wish firefern had a fiery personality like sandstorm, firestar's bravery, but also level headed like leafstar. and i pictured stormheart to be the stern and mature sibling. tangent on harrybrook: i'll forever be mad that they killed harrybrook's awesomely named sisters in favor of keeping harrybrook alive....first, harrybrook's name is tainted bc harry is sol and sol was an antagonist to them. next, harrybrook isn't cool looking like his sisters. firefern looks like firestar and is named after him, how did she not make it!? and keeping harrybrook alive means nothing if they dont give him kits soon before he gets way too old for any current she-cat! poor leafstar's gonna die without having grandkits at this point. it's sad.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 5, 2021 14:21:26 GMT -5
Wich is why to continue Leafstar's line, Bellaleaf's mate is Harrybrook instead of Rabbitleap in my rewrite.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 5, 2021 14:31:29 GMT -5
Wich is why to continue Leafstar's line, Bellaleaf's mate is Harrybrook instead of Rabbitleap in my rewrite. im not a fan of harry x bella. i like her with rabbitleap (he's a good boy and i'll defend lol) a pairing i came up with is harrybrook x cloudmist. since hawkwing didnt get with firefern or stormheart, then harrybrook can get with one of hawkwing's sisters instead. i pick cloudmist just because blossomheart looks too much like firefern/stormheart for me (the ginger).
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 5, 2021 14:40:07 GMT -5
poor leafstar's gonna die without having grandkits at this point. it's sad. I think Kate said that Harrybrook's kits might be Kitescratch and Turtlecrawl, which would probably explain their initial arrogance. I don't care who Leafstar's grandkits are, just so long as her line continues.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 5, 2021 14:40:58 GMT -5
poor leafstar's gonna die without having grandkits at this point. it's sad. I think Kate said that Harrybrook's kits might be Kitescratch and Turtlecrawl, which would probably explain their initial arrogance. I don't care who Leafstar's grandkits are, just so long as her line continues. im still holding hope that those arent his kits. for some reason i dont want those two to be his. it doesnt fit in my mind.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 5, 2021 14:43:35 GMT -5
100% agree with you on that ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ . Pebbleshine was a boring character and her close relation(ship) to Hawkwing could have been entirely avoided by the authors/editors with only one swift glance at their already shared family tree. Hawkwing x Firefern/Stormheart not only sounds awesome but it would've also given either of Harrybrook's sisters a chance at some more spotlight. Them and their brother are so cute during SkyClan and the Stranger and both of their deaths in Hawkwing's Journey were infuriating for me due to the majorly wasted potential. i wish firefern and stormheart got more scenes. i also wish firefern had a fiery personality like sandstorm, firestar's bravery, but also level headed like leafstar. and i pictured stormheart to be the stern and mature sibling. tangent on harrybrook: i'll forever be mad that they killed harrybrook's awesomely named sisters in favor of keeping harrybrook alive....first, harrybrook's name is tainted bc harry is sol and sol was an antagonist to them. next, harrybrook isn't cool looking like his sisters. firefern looks like firestar and is named after him, how did she not make it!? and keeping harrybrook alive means nothing if they dont give him kits soon before he gets way too old for any current she-cat! poor leafstar's gonna die without having grandkits at this point. it's sad. I'm still so mad that Stormheart got killed offscreen and both Firefern and Rileypool died only a few dies before Echosong returned to SkyClan's temporary camp. At least one of them should have survived that SE, in my opinion. I despise Harrybrook's name a lot because only a few seconds after Leafstar named him Sol revealed his real name and only a few moons afterwards his true nature so there was plenty of time and opportunity to rename her son. Hopefully he'll have kits soon or his purpose is to only be the last surviving kit of BillyLeaf. By the way, my other names for him are either Skybrook after Skywatcher or Rainbrook (though that's kind of redundant) after Rainfur.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on May 5, 2021 17:12:32 GMT -5
RIP Firefern. She had such an awesome name- it's so sad she was killed off. Putting her up with Hawkwing would have been an EXCELLENT desicion.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 5, 2021 19:42:56 GMT -5
i wish firefern and stormheart got more scenes. i also wish firefern had a fiery personality like sandstorm, firestar's bravery, but also level headed like leafstar. and i pictured stormheart to be the stern and mature sibling. tangent on harrybrook: i'll forever be mad that they killed harrybrook's awesomely named sisters in favor of keeping harrybrook alive....first, harrybrook's name is tainted bc harry is sol and sol was an antagonist to them. next, harrybrook isn't cool looking like his sisters. firefern looks like firestar and is named after him, how did she not make it!? and keeping harrybrook alive means nothing if they dont give him kits soon before he gets way too old for any current she-cat! poor leafstar's gonna die without having grandkits at this point. it's sad. I'm still so mad that Stormheart got killed offscreen and both Firefern and Rileypool died only a few dies before Echosong returned to SkyClan's temporary camp. At least one of them should have survived that SE, in my opinion. I despise Harrybrook's name a lot because only a few seconds after Leafstar named him Sol revealed his real name and only a few moons afterwards his true nature so there was plenty of time and opportunity to rename her son. Hopefully he'll have kits soon or his purpose is to only be the last surviving kit of BillyLeaf. By the way, my other names for him are either Skybrook after Skywatcher or Rainbrook (though that's kind of redundant) after Rainfur. aw man! i forgot rileypool. i actually liked rileypool...i wish he lived too.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 5, 2021 19:43:21 GMT -5
RIP Firefern. She had such an awesome name- it's so sad she was killed off. Putting her up with Hawkwing would have been an EXCELLENT desicion. she looked like firestar and shared his prefix, you'd think that would give her some sort of immunity, but nope :'(
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 5, 2021 21:51:57 GMT -5
Firefern is fine, but honestly, I would have liked him and Plumwillow being a thing too.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 6, 2021 11:03:33 GMT -5
Wich is why to continue Leafstar's line, Bellaleaf's mate is Harrybrook instead of Rabbitleap in my rewrite. im not a fan of harry x bella. i like her with rabbitleap (he's a good boy and i'll defend lol) a pairing i came up with is harrybrook x cloudmist. since hawkwing didnt get with firefern or stormheart, then harrybrook can get with one of hawkwing's sisters instead. i pick cloudmist just because blossomheart looks too much like firefern/stormheart for me (the ginger). Idk, i just thought they had chemistry on one journey they were put together.
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