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Post by Aqua on May 4, 2021 11:24:34 GMT -5
Everyone's always quick to point out how Bramblestar isn't fair to Squirrelflight, but what about the other way around? I know she treated him like trash in the past about his brother and lied to him about the three... and I know she had good intentions but it was a really crappy move on her part to not tell the truth to her own husband about the kits they're both going to raise but maybe that's just me lol... I personally don't think she was ever fair to him from the beginning, never listened to him either. That's from memory though, it's been a while since I've read any interaction on them but I'm almost positive Squirrelflight was pretty awful to Brambleclaw about Hawkfrost and other situations.
And no "let's wait and see how this topic goes". You guys can respect each other. That's all this section asks for.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 4, 2021 11:51:11 GMT -5
They are both bad for each other, but some people tend to just point out where Bramblestar has gone wrong and excuse Squirrelflight’s actions.
Bramblestar is borderline abusive. He never hurts her, but he uses his power as leader against her. He also definitely should’ve listened to Squirrelflight about the whole Hawkfrost situation, but Squirrelflight’s Hope is where he is at his worst. He berates Squirrelflight for disagreeing with him as he doesn’t think SkyClan should move. He tells Squirrelflight that as his deputy, she has to back him up or they look weak. Then there’s the whole Sisters situation. Bramblestar snaps at Squirrelflight and says that she has to run every decision with him from now on. Squirrelflight can make decisions for herself, she doesn’t need Bramblestar’s opinion or input.
Squirrelflight shouldn’t have kept the secret about the three away from Bramblestar and make him believe they were his kits for like a year. I understand his anger when the truth came out. But he continues to be like a father for the three, even covering for Hollyleaf after she killed Ashfur when she came back to ThunderClan in The Forgotten Warrior. Squirrelflight isn’t at her best in Squirrelflight’s Hope either. Bramblestar didn’t want another litter of kits as much as Squirrelflight did, and that should be respected. When Bramblestar says he doesn’t really want more kits that much, Squirrelflight asks if he still loves her. He responds by saying he does but the Clan comes first. What?! Not wanting to have more kits doesn’t mean he doesn’t love you anymore! She overreacts a lot.
I just think Bramblestar and Squirrelflight’s personalities clash a lot in their relationship. Squirrelflight’s fiery personality doesn’t fit well with Bramblestar’s more in-charge personality and they do not get along well sometimes because of it. I think each of them should’ve had different mates if any, ones that more fit with each of their personalities.
People tend to demonize Bramblestar while forgetting that Squirrelflight has been in the wrong too and it’s quite worrisome. They are both at fault for their messy relationship and I think at this point, they might need to get a kitty divorce.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 4, 2021 12:51:17 GMT -5
i dont think so. squirrelflight has been selfish and self serving ever since the new prophecy, and the severity of how she acts is more subtle now to make people think she's "mature" now. but nah, i still think she's selfish, and she hasnt been fair to bramblestar still.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on May 4, 2021 13:06:34 GMT -5
No, I don't think Squirrelflight has been fair to Bramblestar nor has he treated her very well. They're both fairly decent (flawed, definitely not perfect) cats individually, but they didn't go well together and seemed to bring out the worst in each other tbh.
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Post by MadameDelune on May 4, 2021 13:24:08 GMT -5
She never has and never will.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 5, 2021 8:54:14 GMT -5
I'm specifically tired of seeing people say Squirrelflight gets excused left-and-right but then they are quick to defend Bramblestar and excuse him for literally everything, saying everything was his mate's fault, when most of the fandom here in the forums understands that Bramblestar had a reason for his behaviour and only bash him when he steps out of line, says something hypocrital or handles something wrong.
But frankly, both of them are at fault in the situation, in one way or another.
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Post by Aqua on May 5, 2021 9:57:45 GMT -5
I'm specifically tired of seeing people say Squirrelflight gets excused left-and-right but then they are quick to defend Bramblestar and excuse him for literally everything, saying everything was his mate's fault, when most of the fandom here in the forums understands that Bramblestar had a reason for his behaviour and only bash him when he steps out of line, says something hypocrital or handles something wrong. But frankly, both of them are at fault in the situation, in one way or another. Unfortunately that's usually how this community works. They like to blame one situation for a particular cat without seeing that the other one is just as bad or at fault for something. They paint one character as completely innocent because the other character is either immature or "abusive" so they excuse the other one because the one they're blaming is worse. It's very frustrating. You can understand both characters but don't excuse either of them please. Nobody in warriors is really innocent here anyways. They've all done pretty crappy things. And I'm talking about a lot of these debates in general, not just Squirrelflight x Bramblestar. It happens frequently with Night x Crow, Dove & Ivy, Bramble x Squirrel, Ash x Squirrel, Heather x Lion, and probably plenty of others.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 5, 2021 10:45:26 GMT -5
Let’s not forget how the fandom has been shipping MANY CATS with Squirrelflight because they say Bramblestar is abusive, even with animations painting him as so. Even if Squirrelflight has not interacted with the character a lot.
Shrewpaw, Daisy, Tawnypelt, Moonlight, Crowfeather, Stormfur, Leafstar...
It’s seriously getting weird.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 5, 2021 11:12:07 GMT -5
Let’s not forget how the fandom has been shipping MANY CATS with Squirrelflight because they say Bramblestar is abusive, even with animations painting him as so. Even if Squirrelflight has not interacted with the character a lot. Shrewpaw, Daisy, Tawnypelt, Moonlight, Crowfeather, Stormfur, Leafstar... It’s seriously getting weird. This is what I don't get about shipping in general, but especially Shrewpaw when it comes to Squirrelflight specifically. Someone else from the journey I get, but Shrewpaw was barely a character and only interacted with Squirrelpaw once and for whatever reason, he's treated as her best friend.
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Post by crowspirit on May 5, 2021 11:44:49 GMT -5
I like Squirrelflight way more than Bramblestar, so my comment will probably be dripping with bias, but I try to keep it as objective as possible.
In my opinion, both Squirrelflight and Bramblestar have never been fair to one another and are horrible mates. While Squirrel never truly trusted Bramble when he met with Hawkfrost (even though she was right in the end) it wasn't her job to meddle with his relationship and tell him who he could and who he couldn't interact with. Her not telling that the three weren't his kits is also unforgivable, even though I understand why she did it. She hadn't been with Brambleclaw for very long at this point and their relationship has never been particularly strong. In «Squirrelflightʼs Hope», she had the right intentions, she wanted to stop a battle. It's not like she wanted to destroy ThunderClan. But she acted before thinking and dragged her clanmates and Leafstar into this mess.
On the other hand, Bramblestar has belittled Squirrelflight a lot, treating her like an apprentice, especially during their break up in «Twilight». For almost his entire life, he's been in a position of power over Squirrelflight, which is a very bad start. I completely understand him being angry when the secret was revealed, I would be too, but he was still needlessly cruel. And then in «Squirrelflightʼs Hope»… Even though Squirrelflight is his deputy, who he supposedly respects he never listens to her and even threatens to demote her when she doesn't agree with him on everything. That's horrible. Also, I know that this doesn't have to do anything to do with Squirrelflight, but him being fine with Sunrise dying is worse than everything Squirrelflight has done in this book.
I fully believe that Bramblestar has abusive tendencies, even though he was not meant to be like this. And I also see WAY more hate for Squirrelflight than Bramblestar on this forum, many people excusing everything he did while treating Squirrelflight like Satan incarnate. I get that a lot of people ship her with many different cats, since she and Bramblestar are stuck in an abusive relationship they want them to get out off once and for all.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on May 5, 2021 12:43:22 GMT -5
Squirrelflight doesn't respect Bramblestar most of the time while he often does not take her seriously at all.
They are both bad for each other although I still think that he has a lot more issues than she does.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 6, 2021 13:04:23 GMT -5
Let’s not forget how the fandom has been shipping MANY CATS with Squirrelflight because they say Bramblestar is abusive, even with animations painting him as so. Even if Squirrelflight has not interacted with the character a lot. Shrewpaw, Daisy, Tawnypelt, Moonlight, Crowfeather, Stormfur, Leafstar... It’s seriously getting weird. I mean, her ships with Shrewpaw, Crowfeather and Stormfur have existed even before Squirrelflight's Hope. Hpmever shipping her with Leafstar, MOONLIGHT, or any other cat she hasn't even interacted with is weird. About Daisy, i think she could be an understanding friend to Squirrel, but not her mate.
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