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Post by Flanoir on May 3, 2021 10:47:26 GMT -5
One thing that kinda rubs me the wrong way with ASiR is that Leopardstar making amends with Graystripe's kits is defeated by Stormfur's banishment at the end of TNP.
Honestly, I feel that if she had really morally improved, she would have done more for Stormfur. In the end, Leopardstar essentially did the very same thing she had to apologise for: casting away a cat for their mixed heritage. And whom for? The son of the guy who wanted Stormfur dead. Seriously girl? She seems easily swayed.
Do you think this will be addressed in some way in Leopardstar's Honor? I REALLY hope it won't turn out like Crowfeather's Trial did. That book really glossed over Breezepelt's actions.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on May 3, 2021 12:12:24 GMT -5
One thing that kinda sucks about coming out with books in earlier time periods is that it can contradict/clash with books written back then. A big reason for Leopardstar banishing Stormfur is that A Shadow in RiverClan was written after Sunset, despite A Shadow in RiverClan taking place before it.
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Post by Flanoir on May 3, 2021 12:38:15 GMT -5
Yeah, so either the writers didn't care/didn't remember Stormfur's fate, or they felt the clash could contribute to Leopardstar's characterisation, albeit not in a good way. There's a lot to handle in that SE of hers...
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 3, 2021 13:17:51 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hawkfrost threaten Mothwing to make a false prophecy about Stormfur and Brook to make them seem like they didn't belong in RiverClan? Hawkfrost also snitches about Brook chasing a squirrel over the border and then goads Stormfur into attacking him to make Storm look bad, to which Leopardstar had no choice then. It's even noted that she was reluctant at the idea of exiling them. Hawkfrost abused his sister, and manipulated them, while also trashing Storm and Brook to get them exiled. He did something similar with Mistystar when she became deputy again so cats wouldn't respect her by spreading rumors. As for contradictions, as long as it's not as...bad as the one done in Redtail's novella, I doubt they'll be that blaring.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 5, 2021 10:33:39 GMT -5
To be fair, that scene in Sunset was written long before A Shadow in RiverClan was even thought of despite the timeline going the other way around so there are bound to be inconsistencies to this regard. Other than that, Hawkfrost was also heavily manipulating the whole entire situation of Stormfur's banishment with threatening his sister Mothwing to create a fake omen which painted his self proclaimed biggest rival for the title of deputy as a great danger to RiverClan. Adding onto this is the fact that Leopardstar seemingly favored Hawkfrost a lot in both the main series books and the Graphic Novel.
While I'm now a lot more neutral on both Leopardstar and Blackstar but still, of course, keep their heinous actions during The Darkest Hour in mind, I sincerely hope we will see the regret of what she did in her SE just like Blackstar experienced it in his Novella.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 5, 2021 12:56:34 GMT -5
But we also have to take in account that another thing that might have influenced Leopardstar might have been an omen from StarClan she belives to be true, even if its fake.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 5, 2021 21:19:28 GMT -5
To be fair, that scene in Sunset was written long before A Shadow in RiverClan was even thought of despite the timeline going the other way around so there are bound to be inconsistencies to this regard. Other than that, Hawkfrost was also heavily manipulating the whole entire situation of Stormfur's banishment with threatening his sister Mothwing to create a fake omen which painted his self proclaimed biggest rival for the title of deputy as a great danger to RiverClan. Adding onto this is the fact that Leopardstar seemingly favored Hawkfrost a lot in both the main series books and the Graphic Novel. While I'm now a lot more neutral on both Leopardstar and Blackstar but still, of course, keep their heinous actions during The Darkest Hour in mind, I sincerely hope we will see the regret of what she did in her SE just like Blackstar experienced it in his Novella. The only reason Leopardstar probably favored him is because Hawkfrost was her apprentice, and he was well respected in RiverClan it would seem. So for him to be attacked right in front of her by Stormfur, it wouldn't have looked good if she hadn't punished him, even if she was reluctant about it. Basically at the end of the day, Hawkfrost took advantage of Leopard and Mothwing, and manipulated the situation to get what he wanted. So I don't know why Leopard is getting flake for this decision honestly. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong again, but weren't cats angry and suspicious of ThunderClan for Hawkfrost's death for a while? Even though they informed RiverClan he was a traitor, he was probably still well respected and some cats didn't believe that notion, thinking ThunderClan merked him behind the curtains and claimed he was a traitor.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 6, 2021 13:46:07 GMT -5
To be fair, that scene in Sunset was written long before A Shadow in RiverClan was even thought of despite the timeline going the other way around so there are bound to be inconsistencies to this regard. Other than that, Hawkfrost was also heavily manipulating the whole entire situation of Stormfur's banishment with threatening his sister Mothwing to create a fake omen which painted his self proclaimed biggest rival for the title of deputy as a great danger to RiverClan. Adding onto this is the fact that Leopardstar seemingly favored Hawkfrost a lot in both the main series books and the Graphic Novel. While I'm now a lot more neutral on both Leopardstar and Blackstar but still, of course, keep their heinous actions during The Darkest Hour in mind, I sincerely hope we will see the regret of what she did in her SE just like Blackstar experienced it in his Novella. The only reason Leopardstar probably favored him is because Hawkfrost was her apprentice, and he was well respected in RiverClan it would seem. So for him to be attacked right in front of her by Stormfur, it wouldn't have looked good if she hadn't punished him, even if she was reluctant about it. Basically at the end of the day, Hawkfrost took advantage of Leopard and Mothwing, and manipulated the situation to get what he wanted. So I don't know why Leopard is getting flake for this decision honestly. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong again, but weren't cats angry and suspicious of ThunderClan for Hawkfrost's death for a while? Even though they informed RiverClan he was a traitor, he was probably still well respected and some cats didn't believe that notion, thinking ThunderClan merked him behind the curtains and claimed he was a traitor. The weird part is that the circumstances of Hawkfrost's death were apparently not known by most cats during the actual main series and that they are all only aware of things in the short story After Sunset: We Need To Talk which completely messes up the canon storyline in that regard but is of no real consequence ultimately because he later reveals himself as a villain during The Great Battle taking place in The Last Hope/Mothwing's Secret anyways, where Leopardstar personally chases him off. Here is the trivia information from Hawfrost's Wiki page stating the mistake: warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Hawkfrost/TriviaA continuity error is in After Sunset: We Need to Talk. In the play, it is apparent that all cats seem to know that Hawkfrost attempted to kill Firestar, while in The Sight, this fact is unknown
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