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Post by Twilight Sparkle on May 1, 2021 6:44:28 GMT -5
Since Daisy's Kin came out and showed more of his character, what do you think about Smoky?
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Post by Hollyfall on May 1, 2021 8:04:53 GMT -5
He seemed decent enough. He was a bit of a jerk in Daisy's Kin though. I understand his mate died and he wants his kits to live, but Daisy was giving her all and he also didn't make much of an effort to bond with Mousewhisker. The only thing I can't really fault him for his being upset that Daisy didn't tell him what happened to Berrynose and Hazeltail. He wasn't much of a father to them, true, but I think he still should have been told.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 1, 2021 14:52:09 GMT -5
idk why people are so harsh to smoky...
are male characters not allowed to be hurt and express pain without being called jerks? like come on. he lost his mate. first it was floss, then daisy left, and now corriander died in front of him. he didnt get to raise any of his previous kits and that obviously left trauma and regret in him, which results in his hurt over little diasy and little corriander. he is just a father wanting to do right by his kits this time.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on May 1, 2021 14:54:25 GMT -5
He was fine before but after Daisy's Kin I have developed a fast growing dislike for him.
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Post by fishbreeze on May 1, 2021 15:07:55 GMT -5
idk why people are so harsh to smoky... are male characters not allowed to be hurt and express pain without being called jerks? like come on. he lost his mate. first it was floss, then daisy left, and now corriander died in front of him. he didnt get to raise any of his previous kits and that obviously left trauma and regret in him, which results in his hurt over little diasy and little corriander. he is just a father wanting to do right by his kits this time. Exactly this. Also, Daisy referring to the kits as orphans after Coriander died was a bit yikes for me, I'm glad they had Smoky say that they weren't orphans, that he was their father, in the end, or else Daisy's Kin would have been a dislike for me. This is another case of beloved main character bias, every character against the main character looks 5x worse than if they weren't against a beloved main character.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 1, 2021 15:17:39 GMT -5
idk why people are so harsh to smoky... are male characters not allowed to be hurt and express pain without being called jerks? like come on. he lost his mate. first it was floss, then daisy left, and now corriander died in front of him. he didnt get to raise any of his previous kits and that obviously left trauma and regret in him, which results in his hurt over little diasy and little corriander. he is just a father wanting to do right by his kits this time. Exactly this. Also, Daisy referring to the kits as orphans after Coriander died was a bit yikes for me, I'm glad they had Smoky say that they weren't orphans, that he was their father, in the end, or else Daisy's Kin would have been a dislike for me. This is another case of beloved main character bias, every character against the main character looks 5x worse than if they weren't against a beloved main character. true...it was actually daisy who said the wrong thing...her calling them outright orphans was insulting. i love daisy, but i didnt like the way she was treating smoky in relation to the kits as if she knew more than him...dad's need more validation in this series.
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Post by fishbreeze on May 1, 2021 15:21:48 GMT -5
Exactly this. Also, Daisy referring to the kits as orphans after Coriander died was a bit yikes for me, I'm glad they had Smoky say that they weren't orphans, that he was their father, in the end, or else Daisy's Kin would have been a dislike for me. This is another case of beloved main character bias, every character against the main character looks 5x worse than if they weren't against a beloved main character. true...it was actually daisy who said the wrong thing...her calling them outright orphans was insulting. i love daisy, but i didnt like the way she was treating smoky in relation to the kits as if she knew more than him...dad's need more validation in this series. I should have worded it better, she just thought of them as orphans, she didn't actually say it. Later on in the book, I think Sunrise does though. But back to Daisy, I guess you could say that even if it was just a thought she had, Jayfeather still gets hate for thinking mean things about Brightheart and Longtail when he was an apprentice.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 1, 2021 18:17:11 GMT -5
I'm neutral. He's an okay character? But his attitude towards his mates dying or leaving (at least in Daisy and Floss' case is a little cringe)
I guess he actually loved Coriander tho
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 1, 2021 18:59:38 GMT -5
Neutral. Whereas I understand that Smoky is going through a lot, and his grief is justified, it doesn't change how delusional his behavior was. He was being incredibly stubborn, and his behavior could have put his own kits lives in danger. I get he wanted to keep the wishes of Coriander at heart, but it made things even more incredibly harder for those kits. They wouldn't have survived long if not for the Clans trying to come up with other alternatives to save them. Also, his continuous manipulative behavior toward Daisy. I get he probably didn't mean it, but the fact he kept mansplaining toward her, shaming her every time their kits came up, was disgusting. It was a mutual agreement, he was fine with her having custody of the kits and raising them in the Clans. He blamed her for never being able to see them when he could have easily just requested to visit them if he wanted, I doubt Bramble or Fire would have prevented him. On top of that, he continuously tried to shame her whenever she disagreed with him, even getting hot with her when she didn't want to stay with him. It makes me gag.
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Post by downfalls on May 3, 2021 9:29:14 GMT -5
I slightly dislike him. He's a jerk mostly.
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