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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 21:06:04 GMT -5
What do you think about Briarlight surviving so far? Do you think that it is realistic?
While I am neutral on her, I don't like how she survives everything. She survived the Great Battle, the flood, the snake, tree, and so on. It is becoming predictable and she's just.. kind of there now. I mean, she's okay.. but I find her pointless to the plot.
I mean, it's not fair how they lost warriors like Foxleap, Mousefur, Longtail and Dustpelt but Briarlight lives. It just seems like favoritism to me.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 29, 2016 21:07:47 GMT -5
I hate Briarlight for many reasons, her surviving the impossible is one of them.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Aug 29, 2016 21:15:49 GMT -5
She needs to just die already.
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Post by lazy penguin on Aug 29, 2016 21:21:07 GMT -5
I personally love her as a character, but I don't think it's realistic at all how she's survived for so long.
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Post by nem on Aug 29, 2016 22:20:38 GMT -5
She needs to die.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 22:26:41 GMT -5
nothing about warriors is realistic so i really dont care what happens to her
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Aug 29, 2016 22:33:58 GMT -5
What's with all this hate towards Briarlight? Lol
Warriors is fictional, so I mean, in their world it isn't unrealistic that she survived so long. While in the real world, a cat in the wild like that would've most likely died from shock after being crushed by a tree.
I personally don't mind her. I don't have that much of an opinion on her--other than I feel sorry for her. Unlike Cinderpelt, Briarlight can't do anything. She can't be a Warrior, Queen, or Medicine Cat. And to me, I just think it's a rather cruel reminder of how unfair nature is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 22:43:15 GMT -5
What's with all this hate towards Briarlight? Lol Warriors is fictional, so I mean, in their world it isn't unrealistic that she survived so long. While in the real world, a cat in the wild like that would've most likely died from shock after being crushed by a tree. I personally don't mind her. I don't have that much of an opinion on her--other than I feel sorry for her. Unlike Cinderpelt, Briarlight can't do anything. She can't be a Warrior, Queen, or Medicine Cat. And to me, I just think it's a rather cruel reminder of how unfair nature is. Except it is a bit unrealistic by Warriors standards that Briarlight has outlived so much. I can excuse a couple of her near death experiences, but I cannot excuse the fact she has repeatedly survived things that have affected her lungs. It has been shown in the books that her lungs will be the thing to cause her death, so does it really make sense for her to survive getting greencough, a disease that fills your lungs with fluid? Or to survive being held underwater for several minutes, getting water into her lungs? And to top it off, those same exact incidents killed healthy warriors who had no lung issues. Hazeltail, Icecloud, Toadstep and Spiderleg were all healthy, but they died of greencough while Briarlight, a cat who was already at a major disadvantage, survived. Sure, Spiderleg was "old", but Hazeltail, Icecloud and Toadstep were around the same age as Briarlight. So it just doesn't make sense how they all die, but Briarlight doesn't even though she's majorly disadvantaged compared to them. |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Aug 29, 2016 22:46:35 GMT -5
What's with all this hate towards Briarlight? Lol Warriors is fictional, so I mean, in their world it isn't unrealistic that she survived so long. While in the real world, a cat in the wild like that would've most likely died from shock after being crushed by a tree. I personally don't mind her. I don't have that much of an opinion on her--other than I feel sorry for her. Unlike Cinderpelt, Briarlight can't do anything. She can't be a Warrior, Queen, or Medicine Cat. And to me, I just think it's a rather cruel reminder of how unfair nature is. Except it is a bit unrealistic by Warriors standards that Briarlight has outlived so much. I can excuse a couple of her near death experiences, but I cannot excuse the fact she has repeatedly survived things that have affected her lungs. It has been shown in the books that her lungs will be the thing to cause her death, so does it really make sense for her to survive getting greencough, a disease that fills your lungs with fluid? Or to survive being held underwater for several minutes, getting water into her lungs? And to top it off, those same exact incidents killed healthy warriors who had no lung issues. Hazeltail, Icecloud, Toadstep and Spiderleg were all healthy, but they died of greencough while Briarlight, a cat who was already at a major disadvantage, survived. Sure, Spiderleg was "old", but Hazeltail, Icecloud and Toadstep were around the same age as Briarlight. So it just doesn't make sense how they all die, but Briarlight doesn't even though she's majorly disadvantaged compared to them. True enough. And I think the reason behind that is Jayfeather. He has been extremely cautious with Briarlight, and makes her eat strengthening herbs and keeps her away from sick cats. He has proven to be the one who has kept her alive and healthy so long, and his extra caution and care--to me--is the reason why she did not die from Greencough, while the others did. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 29, 2016 22:48:57 GMT -5
It's very unrealistic. I know Briarlight is based on a real person Vicky knows and it's a very sweet tribute, but it causes a major problem: it seems like the Erins have become too attached to her because of this, and this is where the favoritism argument comes in.
These are all the times Briarlight has cheated death:
1) Greencough as a kit.
2) The snake that killed Honeyfern.
3) The tree that paralyzed her and killed Longtail.
4) The dogs that were chasing her and Bumblestripe.
5) The Great Battle.
6) Greencough again.
7) The flood.
Seven times. Briarlight has cheated death seven times. Either she's been extremely lucky so far or the Erins just don't want to kill her off. And yes, Briarlight has been doing her exercises, but here's the thing: Briarlight has to do her exercises every day and the greencough should've killed her no matter what since it would've affected her lungs.
Just because something is fictional doesn't mean it can't be realistic at the same time. Plenty of books prove this, including the first and fifth arcs of Warriors. Briarlight surviving is incredibly unrealistic for this series, and as a result, she's come off as a rather predictable and almost boring character.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Aug 30, 2016 6:49:00 GMT -5
Briarlight's awesome, but she needs to die.
Warriors is often unrealistic, but the Erins hardly shy away from killing a few cats off in the face of danger, even if the characters are meaningless backgrounders. Briarlight has survived seven events that killed (or could've killed) much stronger cats. What gives?
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Post by Πιghtωιηg on Aug 30, 2016 10:38:35 GMT -5
She survives:
Greencough.
Fire.
Breaking her back.
Greencough.
A fight with the Dark Forest.
A flood.
And everybody wanting her dead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 11:01:35 GMT -5
My problem with Briarlight is the favoritism. The Erins can simply kill of other warriors easily - while Briarlight lives through everything.
Other books from what I've seen don't keep a character alive like this. We know the Erins as picking favorites and they are doing this to Briarlight. They also did the same with Leafpool, and Cinderpelt, for being reincarnated because she never got what she wanted. This bothers me, what the Erins do to picking favorites. You can have a real life cat or someone dedicated to the character, like how Ivypool is based off of a friend's daughter if I recall, but you should never, ever pick favorites.
If a character has done something bad like attempt murder, then they deserve the DF. Personal reasons shouldn't excuse Ashfur's crimes.
Leafpool's story is over. And yet they keep using her for many POVs in plenty of books. She even got her own pointless ebook.
Spottedleaf kept coming back so often it's like she never even died. The Erins never let her rest in peace. Silverstream loved Graystripe, but she only visited him a couple of times. This shows favoritism for Spottedleaf. She kept becoming so overused that it just became unbearable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 11:04:49 GMT -5
I'll only excuse Spottedleaf's ebook because we never really got a POV on her besides Spottedleaf's Honest Answer, but that was years ago, and I want to see more of her character.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 30, 2016 13:07:55 GMT -5
Except it is a bit unrealistic by Warriors standards that Briarlight has outlived so much. I can excuse a couple of her near death experiences, but I cannot excuse the fact she has repeatedly survived things that have affected her lungs. It has been shown in the books that her lungs will be the thing to cause her death, so does it really make sense for her to survive getting greencough, a disease that fills your lungs with fluid? Or to survive being held underwater for several minutes, getting water into her lungs? And to top it off, those same exact incidents killed healthy warriors who had no lung issues. Hazeltail, Icecloud, Toadstep and Spiderleg were all healthy, but they died of greencough while Briarlight, a cat who was already at a major disadvantage, survived. Sure, Spiderleg was "old", but Hazeltail, Icecloud and Toadstep were around the same age as Briarlight. So it just doesn't make sense how they all die, but Briarlight doesn't even though she's majorly disadvantaged compared to them. True enough. And I think the reason behind that is Jayfeather. He has been extremely cautious with Briarlight, and makes her eat strengthening herbs and keeps her away from sick cats. He has proven to be the one who has kept her alive and healthy so long, and his extra caution and care--to me--is the reason why she did not die from Greencough, while the others did. That is a bad thing, though. If Jayfeather is that cautious about Briarlight's survival, then the only explanation for why she's still alive- favoritism aside- is favoritism by the medicine cats themselves. Which is terrible. The medicine cats are supposed to care equally for all of their Clanmates. I don't even like to think about this possibility because it just seems so wrong, to obsess over one cat's health to the point where several other stronger, healthier cats die instead of said cat. |
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 30, 2016 14:51:21 GMT -5
She needs to have a good, emotional, well-written death. Something that feels genuine yet reminds everyone of the harshness that is a warrior's life.
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Post by Cheyenne on Aug 30, 2016 16:32:05 GMT -5
She's lucky? I can't think of any other explanation...
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 30, 2016 16:50:03 GMT -5
Did u know u have a better chance at winning the lottery than Briarlight does at dying
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Post by Cloudshadow on Aug 31, 2016 7:10:34 GMT -5
I really like Briarlight but I agree he should have died by now. Aside from the events that have happened that should have killed her, her disability itself should have killed her eventually. I don't really have any knowledge but don't paralysed cats need help excreting? Wouldn't her digestive system be compromised in some way? And besides that, she'd likely be suffering from scrapes and pressure sores from having to drag herself around that could easily get infected. It's just seems like so much is against her and yet she's survived so long without too many problems.
I feel like having Briarlight die could have added a bit more to OoTS or the new series- Millie would be distraught which many people probably don't want to experience while reading but it's going to happen at some point. And I'd like to see how Jayfeather deals with it. They're not only long time patient and medicine cat but also good friends that have spent every day together practically for many moons. I kind of what to see Jayfeather get into a slump and be pulled back out by someone giving him a talking to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 7:17:51 GMT -5
I hope grey stripe, bumble and briar die
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Post by Pandean on Aug 31, 2016 10:37:55 GMT -5
I hope grey stripe, bumble and briar die No Blossom or Millie? |
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 31, 2016 11:15:49 GMT -5
I mean considering how they based her on a paralyzed girl they knew it would be awkward probably if they killed her off. like, "oh yeah, you technically wouldn't survive in the wild so cat-you is gonna die" They probably should've thought about that before they made the character tbh. Bad writing creates bad characters. |
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Post by SilverHailstorm on Aug 31, 2016 11:29:07 GMT -5
These are all the times Briarlight has cheated death: 1) Greencough as a kit. 2) The snake that killed Honeyfern. 3) The tree that paralyzed her and killed Longtail. 4) The dogs that were chasing her and Bumblestripe. 5) The Great Battle. 6) Greencough again. 7) The flood. Seven times. Briarlight has cheated death seven times. Join the magical new journey by J.K Rowling, the Briarlight series! Book 1: Briarlight and the Greencough Epidemic Book 2: Briarlight and the Deadly Snake Book 3: Briarlight and the Tree Book 4: Briarlight and the Dogs Book 5: Briarlight and the almost-impossible-to-survive Great Battle Book 6: Briarlight and the "the authors ran out of ideas, greencough again!" Book 7: Briarlight and the Flood of Doom |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 16:38:47 GMT -5
I hope grey stripe, bumble and briar die No Blossom or Millie? I like blossom not Millie but... imagine if she was the only one Millie had left |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 18:50:47 GMT -5
Sometimes it's obvious when characters are favored. Sometimes it's hard to notice. (This kinda goes for all characters.)
Briarlight... must have infinite lives.
THE ULTIMATE THEORY is what it is not
In reality, if I were writing a similar situation... Briarlight would be dead. Though, cats have lived longer (and possibly survived more).
(Looking at Mousefur, Graystripe and Firestar over here. Though not all of them are still alive, the point is kind of made, and I mean as of a large amount time survived that almost felt too long.)
I'd love to compare Briarlight to other warrior cats, but cats that we've seen live and die in the series have a very different situation from her in almost every case, at least that I can remember. Of course, this excludes the character that was only mentioned in one book and we only know they existed because of how they died. (I can't remember his name)
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