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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Apr 5, 2021 8:57:18 GMT -5
Would you? Which ones?
I don't care for any character in particular, but if I had to, I might change Thunder to a female.
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Post by mapleleafsunset on Apr 5, 2021 9:32:33 GMT -5
Personally I believe that more villains should be female in the books, so I would have made Hawkfrost or Breezepelt a she-cat ! That way cats could link Breezepelt to Hollyleaf a bit more in their minds, and perhaps that could have been used to hint at the fact that those two are related. Also I will defend the idea that Puddleshine is nonbinary with my life.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Apr 5, 2021 9:34:12 GMT -5
I would change either Squirrelflight or Leafpool to a tom, although Squirrelflight being trans could also be interesting in either way (female to male or male to female).
Other than that, Brambleclaw as a she cat would also make for a different storyline.
Both Firestar and Tigerstar I as she cats should ultimately end in a literal Cat Fight.
The Original Three (Holly, Lion and Jay) with flipped genders might make for some fun scenes in which Hollleaf's sisters are constantly gossiping about their Clanmate's romantic life while he just sits there not caring about any of it because he's only in love with the Warrior Code just like in the original series.
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Post by Harestar on Apr 5, 2021 11:39:42 GMT -5
Change to toms: Squirrelflight, Dovewing, and Twigbranch Change to she-cats: Graystripe, Darktail, and Clear Sky
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Post by Cheetahstar on Apr 5, 2021 16:15:37 GMT -5
Hawkfrost as a she cat
yes please
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Apr 5, 2021 17:09:10 GMT -5
Twigbranch or Violetshine being a tom would be cool.
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Apr 6, 2021 15:59:39 GMT -5
Graystripe, Crowfeather, Berrynose, or Firestar. I'm interested in the dynamic where a she-cat doesn't let go of her first love so readily, despite having a family to take care of in the present. I don't think this type of character is often written as a female. How would this character be portrayed or handled?
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Post by MadameDelune on Apr 6, 2021 17:48:35 GMT -5
Switch Sandstorm to male and Scourge to female
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Post by mapleleafsunset on Apr 7, 2021 1:49:16 GMT -5
While I’m at it make tallstar a female so she can have kits with Jake I personally am not a big fan of this idea for multiple reasons, I can see why you might like it but it feels a little odd to me. Firstly TallJake is one of the only LGBT ships in warriors, and changing Tallstar's gender without also changing Jake's would get rid of the small sliver of barely confirmed LGBT representation that we have in the books. It could also change Tallstar's sexuality depending on whether you view him as gay or bi, if he's gay switching his gender would make him straight. Another thing, I feel like warriors tends to push the narrative that for cats to be mates then they need to have kittens, specifically biological kittens. As someone who never wants to have kids this narrative that they need to have children has always rubbed me the wrong way. Switching the genders of an LGBT couple for the soul purpose of letting them have kids when adoption is absolutely an option in the world of warriors doesn't feel an entirely right for me. Tallstar and Jake are the best dads for Firestar and that's my personal headcanon !! Also gay cats could have a cat act as a surrogate mother for kittens, so really all that changing Tallstar's gender would achieve is getting rid of LGBT representation that's in the books, and make the couple fill the usual heteronormative role of relationships in the books (Edited because the original version had a mistake where I said "if he's bi switching his gender would make him straight" which was obviously incorrect and a typo on my part. Thanks to those who pointed it out !)
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Apr 7, 2021 7:05:19 GMT -5
While I’m at it make tallstar a female so she can have kits with Jake I personally am not a big fan of this idea for multiple reasons, I can see why you might like it but it feels a little odd to me. Firstly TallJake is one of the only LGBT ships in warriors, and changing Tallstar's gender without also changing Jake's would get rid of the small sliver of barely confirmed LGBT representation that we have in the books. It could also change Tallstar's sexuality depending on whether you view him as gay or bi, if he's bi switching his gender would make him straight.Another thing, I feel like warriors tends to push the narrative that for cats to be mates then they need to have kittens, specifically biological kittens. As someone who never wants to have kids this narrative that they need to have children has always rubbed me the wrong way. Switching the genders of an LGBT couple for the soul purpose of letting them have kids when adoption is absolutely an option in the world of warriors doesn't feel an entirely right for me. Tallstar and Jake are the best dads for Firestar and that's my personal headcanon !! Also gay cats could have a cat act as a surrogate mother for kittens, so really all that changing Tallstar's gender would achieve is getting rid of LGBT representation that's in the books, and make the couple fill the usual heteronormative role of relationships in the books As someone identifying as queer, I generally understand your sentiment. And it's pretty refreshing to have some cats who aren't pressured into taking a mate and having kits, so that's cool. But I got to say, saying that "switching his gender would make him straight" is just not true. It would make him straight-passing, which is an experience many bi people find themselves in. Even if he were to be in a so-called "straight relationship", he can still be read as bi. So, we can still have LGBT rep in the form of female bi Tallstar who has to juggle her leader responsibilities and her kits with Jake. Have her be written as bi-coded.
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Post by mapleleafsunset on Apr 7, 2021 7:39:34 GMT -5
I personally am not a big fan of this idea for multiple reasons, I can see why you might like it but it feels a little odd to me. Firstly TallJake is one of the only LGBT ships in warriors, and changing Tallstar's gender without also changing Jake's would get rid of the small sliver of barely confirmed LGBT representation that we have in the books. It could also change Tallstar's sexuality depending on whether you view him as gay or bi, if he's bi switching his gender would make him straight.Another thing, I feel like warriors tends to push the narrative that for cats to be mates then they need to have kittens, specifically biological kittens. As someone who never wants to have kids this narrative that they need to have children has always rubbed me the wrong way. Switching the genders of an LGBT couple for the soul purpose of letting them have kids when adoption is absolutely an option in the world of warriors doesn't feel an entirely right for me. Tallstar and Jake are the best dads for Firestar and that's my personal headcanon !! Also gay cats could have a cat act as a surrogate mother for kittens, so really all that changing Tallstar's gender would achieve is getting rid of LGBT representation that's in the books, and make the couple fill the usual heteronormative role of relationships in the books As someone identifying as queer, I generally understand your sentiment. And it's pretty refreshing to have some cats who aren't pressured into taking a mate and having kits, so that's cool. But I got to say, saying that "switching his gender would make him straight" is just not true. It would make him straight-passing, which is an experience many bi people find themselves in. Even if he were to be in a so-called "straight relationship", he can still be read as bi. So, we can still have LGBT rep in the form of female bi Tallstar who has to juggle her leader responsibilities and her kits with Jake. Have her be written as bi-coded. Oh shoot that was actually a typo/ tired morning brain moment on my part here, apologies !!! I meant to say "If he's gay switching his gender would make him straight" that's entirely on me, I am fully aware that a bi or pan person in a m/f relationship is still just as much a part of the LGBT community as those in a mlm or wlw relationship, and I didn't mean to give off the idea that he wouldn't be bi if he was in a m/f relationship If Tallstar was bi-coded and female then there would definitely be less present issues with changing his gender. Whilst there are still the issues of taking away one of the only same-sex couples in warriors, it would be primarily an issue with that rather than erasing his sexuality like it would be if you considered Tallstar gay. Basically what I was trying to say is that it could either erase the existence of a same sex couple in warriors, and if Tallstar is gay then it would erase his sexuality as well. If he was bi coded only one of these issues would be present, and honestly I wouldn't mind gender swapping too much- as long as there were other same sex couples in Warriors. Thanks so much for pointing out my mistake there !!
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Post by ratman on Apr 7, 2021 8:28:31 GMT -5
While I’m at it make tallstar a female so she can have kits with Jake this aint it chief.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 7, 2021 9:54:44 GMT -5
Make Moonlight male so Squirrelflight doesn't get shipped with Moonlight. I'm sort of joking here, but I do feel like it's one of those ships that would be far less popular if Moonlight's gender was swapped.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Apr 7, 2021 12:45:43 GMT -5
Make Moonlight male so Squirrelflight doesn't get shipped with Moonlight. I'm sort of joking here, but I do feel like it's one of those ships that would be far less popular if Moonlight's gender was swapped. The whole hostage situation would probably not be so overlooked then, although there should still be fans to be found who ship them because romanticizing those kinds of plots is popular in certain genres. The Stockholm Syndrome storyline is gaining some traction again in modern media, after all. Or if Squirrelflight was a tom instead (even trans). Moonlight not only strikes me as sexist but could also be a TERF.
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Post by crunchyboness on Apr 7, 2021 13:57:22 GMT -5
Scourge or Blackstar being she-cats would be nice. We need more she-cat villains and morally gray characters that aren't this sassy, vengeful type like Mapleshade, Needletail, or Sleekwhisker. And I'm really tired of stuck-up emotionally abusive mothers like Rainflower, Lizardstripe, and Millie (I know the last one is a bit controversial, but if the shoes fit,, lol.) It feels like bad she-cat characters aren't really in-between those two character types while male villains and morally gray characters are CONSTANTLY varying in diversity with how they antagonize the Clans or commit horrible acts. It doesn't help that like the large majority of villains in Warriors to begin with are all toms.
This might also sound like wishful thinking, but I kind of wish there was a little more queer diversity in Warriors. Not just with orientation, but like, a she-cat apprentice who wants to be called a tom instead, or a character that is referred to by they/them. Unlikely, but I can dream lmao
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 7, 2021 14:22:27 GMT -5
Scourge or Blackstar being she-cats would be nice. We need more she-cat villains and morally gray characters that aren't this sassy, vengeful type like Mapleshade, Needletail, or Sleekwhisker. And I'm really tired of stuck-up emotionally abusive mothers like Rainflower, Lizardstripe, and Millie (I know the last one is a bit controversial, but if the shoes fit,, lol.) It feels like bad she-cat characters aren't really in-between those two character types while male villains and morally gray characters are CONSTANTLY varying in diversity with how they antagonize the Clans or commit horrible acts. It doesn't help that like the large majority of villains in Warriors to begin with are all toms. This might also sound like wishful thinking, but I kind of wish there was a little more queer diversity in Warriors. Not just with orientation, but like, a she-cat apprentice who wants to be called a tom instead, or a character that is referred to by they/them. Unlikely, but I can dream lmao Since when is Mapleshade sassy? She doesn't even have any good oneliners.
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Post by mapleleafsunset on Apr 7, 2021 14:30:51 GMT -5
Scourge or Blackstar being she-cats would be nice. We need more she-cat villains and morally gray characters that aren't this sassy, vengeful type like Mapleshade, Needletail, or Sleekwhisker. And I'm really tired of stuck-up emotionally abusive mothers like Rainflower, Lizardstripe, and Millie (I know the last one is a bit controversial, but if the shoes fit,, lol.) It feels like bad she-cat characters aren't really in-between those two character types while male villains and morally gray characters are CONSTANTLY varying in diversity with how they antagonize the Clans or commit horrible acts. It doesn't help that like the large majority of villains in Warriors to begin with are all toms. This might also sound like wishful thinking, but I kind of wish there was a little more queer diversity in Warriors. Not just with orientation, but like, a she-cat apprentice who wants to be called a tom instead, or a character that is referred to by they/them. Unlikely, but I can dream lmao I honeslty wish that there was trans and nonbinary representation. It wouldn't even be too hard to add, a cat who's born a she-cat could say he felt like a tom rather than a she-cat and then asks cats to call him he/him. And with a nonbinary cat, all the authors would need to do would be have a minor character referred to as they/them sometimes I also agree with more female villains !! that'd be awesome
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Post by crunchyboness on Apr 7, 2021 16:11:55 GMT -5
Scourge or Blackstar being she-cats would be nice. We need more she-cat villains and morally gray characters that aren't this sassy, vengeful type like Mapleshade, Needletail, or Sleekwhisker. And I'm really tired of stuck-up emotionally abusive mothers like Rainflower, Lizardstripe, and Millie (I know the last one is a bit controversial, but if the shoes fit,, lol.) It feels like bad she-cat characters aren't really in-between those two character types while male villains and morally gray characters are CONSTANTLY varying in diversity with how they antagonize the Clans or commit horrible acts. It doesn't help that like the large majority of villains in Warriors to begin with are all toms. This might also sound like wishful thinking, but I kind of wish there was a little more queer diversity in Warriors. Not just with orientation, but like, a she-cat apprentice who wants to be called a tom instead, or a character that is referred to by they/them. Unlikely, but I can dream lmao Since when is Mapleshade sassy? She doesn't even have any good oneliners. lmaooo i agree, she's just portrayed through that kind of trope though, kind of like a Fiona Apple type beat.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 7, 2021 16:16:20 GMT -5
Since when is Mapleshade sassy? She doesn't even have any good oneliners. lmaooo i agree, she's just portrayed through that kind of trope though, kind of like a Fiona Apple type beat. That's just because the fandom takes any female villain that doesn't bring up any mommy issues as being sexy sassy bad girl queen who slays, not really anything in the books proper.
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Post by ʙʀᴀᴄᴋᴇɴꜱᴜɴ ♞ on Apr 9, 2021 18:30:46 GMT -5
This is an interesting one that I cannot resist answering.
As for females I'd change to males; Daisy seems rather modifiable. I would of found it quite interesting had Spiderleg been a female and Daisy a male. The concept of male cats taking a caring, nurturing role is something I admire a lot. So, if Daisy were a male loner who would eventually have kits with a Thunderclan female who would essentially abandon her duty in taking care of her kits, leaving him to do all the work, it would not only make for a good, unique (sort of) story, but to shine a light on these reversible roles as a whole. Educational at most, and damn right interesting in the least.
As for males to female, there's a wider range that I'd consider. Potentially switching the gender of cats like Leafpool and Crowfeather could make for something quite extraordinary. It could also be somewhat detrimental too, as this would mean changing Feathertail's gender (unless some JakexTall action sounds appealing. Now that I think about it, it sounds pretty intriguing). There are a few more, however I'll leave it at that.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 9, 2021 20:04:46 GMT -5
This is an interesting one that I cannot resist answering. As for females I'd change to males; Daisy seems rather modifiable. I would of found it quite interesting had Spiderleg been a female and Daisy a male. The concept of male cats taking a caring, nurturing role is something I admire a lot. So, if Daisy were a male loner who would eventually have kits with a Thunderclan female who would essentially abandon her duty in taking care of her kits, leaving him to do all the work, it would not only make for a good, unique (sort of) story, but to shine a light on these reversible roles as a whole. Educational at most, and damn right interesting in the least. As for males to female, there's a wider range that I'd consider. Potentially switching the gender of cats like Leafpool and Crowfeather could make for something quite extraordinary. It could also be somewhat detrimental too, as this would mean changing Feathertail's gender (unless some JakexTall action sounds appealing. Now that I think about it, it sounds pretty intriguing). There are a few more, however I'll leave it at that. I feel like people would really hate Daisy then, haha. As is people only really like her due to her nursery mom status, but if she just straight up dumped her litter and only took care of others as a guy, I think they'd crucify her. Definitely unique story though, I'll give you that.
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Post by Ponyboy on Apr 9, 2021 21:30:51 GMT -5
I would switch the genders of Stormfur and Feathertail, we had many litters where the daughters looked just like the mothers (Princess, Tawnypelt for a book, Poppyfrost, Flywhisker, Spotfur (sort of), Needleclaw etc) or where the sons looked just like their fathers (Firestar, Bramblestar, Fernsong, Snaptooth, Tree, Rootspring, etc) So it would be nice to see the opposite more, the only litter that I can think of where this happens is Berrynose looking like Daisy, and Hazeltail looking like Smoky.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 10, 2021 0:35:04 GMT -5
i cant really imagine any cats with swapped genders tbh. once characters walk into my head a certain way, i cant imagine them as anything different
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Post by Rio on Apr 10, 2021 4:03:13 GMT -5
Female Darktail could be pretty cool ngl. Darktail acting almost like a charismatic mother figure to Violetpaw and then slowly revealing her twisted nature could be really unsettling.
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Post by fluffprideball on Apr 15, 2021 12:50:15 GMT -5
As someone identifying as queer, I generally understand your sentiment. And it's pretty refreshing to have some cats who aren't pressured into taking a mate and having kits, so that's cool. But I got to say, saying that "switching his gender would make him straight" is just not true. It would make him straight-passing, which is an experience many bi people find themselves in. Even if he were to be in a so-called "straight relationship", he can still be read as bi. So, we can still have LGBT rep in the form of female bi Tallstar who has to juggle her leader responsibilities and her kits with Jake. Have her be written as bi-coded. Oh shoot that was actually a typo/ tired morning brain moment on my part here, apologies !!! I meant to say "If he's gay switching his gender would make him straight" that's entirely on me, I am fully aware that a bi or pan person in a m/f relationship is still just as much a part of the LGBT community as those in a mlm or wlw relationship, and I didn't mean to give off the idea that he wouldn't be bi if he was in a m/f relationship If Tallstar was bi-coded and female then there would definitely be less present issues with changing his gender. Whilst there are still the issues of taking away one of the only same-sex couples in warriors, it would be primarily an issue with that rather than erasing his sexuality like it would be if you considered Tallstar gay. Basically what I was trying to say is that it could either erase the existence of a same sex couple in warriors, and if Tallstar is gay then it would erase his sexuality as well. If he was bi coded only one of these issues would be present, and honestly I wouldn't mind gender swapping too much- as long as there were other same sex couples in Warriors. Thanks so much for pointing out my mistake there !!
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Post by ʙʀᴀᴄᴋᴇɴꜱᴜɴ ♞ on Apr 16, 2021 13:07:11 GMT -5
This is an interesting one that I cannot resist answering. As for females I'd change to males; Daisy seems rather modifiable. I would of found it quite interesting had Spiderleg been a female and Daisy a male. The concept of male cats taking a caring, nurturing role is something I admire a lot. So, if Daisy were a male loner who would eventually have kits with a Thunderclan female who would essentially abandon her duty in taking care of her kits, leaving him to do all the work, it would not only make for a good, unique (sort of) story, but to shine a light on these reversible roles as a whole. Educational at most, and damn right interesting in the least. As for males to female, there's a wider range that I'd consider. Potentially switching the gender of cats like Leafpool and Crowfeather could make for something quite extraordinary. It could also be somewhat detrimental too, as this would mean changing Feathertail's gender (unless some JakexTall action sounds appealing. Now that I think about it, it sounds pretty intriguing). There are a few more, however I'll leave it at that. I feel like people would really hate Daisy then, haha. As is people only really like her due to her nursery mom status, but if she just straight up dumped her litter and only took care of others as a guy, I think they'd crucify her. Definitely unique story though, I'll give you that. That's true.. poor Daisy.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Apr 16, 2021 16:12:29 GMT -5
k so rio said female darktail and now that's all i can think of
it somewhat reminds me of mother gothel and rapunzel
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Post by thatratparker on May 16, 2021 13:02:22 GMT -5
Not really a "switching genders" thing as you guys are saying, but I'd kill for Squirrelflight being a trans girl.
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